Argentina players singing racist chant targeting French players after Copa America final

tenpoless said:
Outside of Licha, they're all dickheads.
Di Maria especially.
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ryan_forlan said:
The following is the translation of the song (it seems):

"Listen, spread the word;
They play in France, but they are all from Angola;
How nice it is! They are going to run;
They are 'cometravas'*, like fecking Mbappé;
Their mom is Nigerian;
Their dad, Cameroonian.
But in the document ..Nationality: French".

*cometravas is a slang term that loosely translates to someone who likes fecking transgender people.

The above is transphobic for sure which makes it quite distasteful. The heat that this video gets should be about this.

But, Racist? Are we sure?
  • Could this be more of a mocking of how France poaches players and talents from all over Africa and yet "we" beat them?
  • Is the premise of the chant any different from the one used by Trevor Noah for this segment? Did Africa Just Win The World Cup? | The Daily Show With Trevor Noah (youtube.com)
  • When USA beat Pakistan in the T20 cricket world cup. Many were joking about how India's H1B team (and not USA) beat Pakistan. Is the Argentina song about the nationality of the player's parents any different?
These players have exposure, have colleagues and friends who have roots in Africa and play for Franch/Netherlands/Germany etc. Can we not assume the best in them and think that all this is not coming from a bad place. Is it possible this is healthy banter?
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There is nothing to analyse, it's pure racism.
 
ryan_forlan said:
The following is the translation of the song (it seems):

"Listen, spread the word;
They play in France, but they are all from Angola;
How nice it is! They are going to run;
They are 'cometravas'*, like fecking Mbappé;
Their mom is Nigerian;
Their dad, Cameroonian.
But in the document ..Nationality: French".

*cometravas is a slang term that loosely translates to someone who likes fecking transgender people.

The above is transphobic for sure which makes it quite distasteful. The heat that this video gets should be about this.

But, Racist? Are we sure?
  • Could this be more of a mocking of how France poaches players and talents from all over Africa and yet "we" beat them?
  • Is the premise of the chant any different from the one used by Trevor Noah for this segment? Did Africa Just Win The World Cup? | The Daily Show With Trevor Noah (youtube.com)
  • When USA beat Pakistan in the T20 cricket world cup. Many were joking about how India's H1B team (and not USA) beat Pakistan. Is the Argentina song about the nationality of the player's parents any different?
These players have exposure, have colleagues and friends who have roots in Africa and play for Franch/Netherlands/Germany etc. Can we not assume the best in them and think that all this is not coming from a bad place. Is it possible this is healthy banter?
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It was much more catchy when they sang it on the bus.
 
Hmm wonder where in chelseas so clever and cunning financial disruptor plans ganding out 8 yr contracts to players etc does asset losing value due to toxic cnutish behaviour figure...
 
ryan_forlan said:
The following is the translation of the song (it seems):

"Listen, spread the word;
They play in France, but they are all from Angola;
How nice it is! They are going to run;
They are 'cometravas'*, like fecking Mbappé;
Their mom is Nigerian;
Their dad, Cameroonian.
But in the document ..Nationality: French".

*cometravas is a slang term that loosely translates to someone who likes fecking transgender people.

The above is transphobic for sure which makes it quite distasteful. The heat that this video gets should be about this.

But, Racist? Are we sure?
  • Could this be more of a mocking of how France poaches players and talents from all over Africa and yet "we" beat them?
  • Is the premise of the chant any different from the one used by Trevor Noah for this segment? Did Africa Just Win The World Cup? | The Daily Show With Trevor Noah (youtube.com)
  • When USA beat Pakistan in the T20 cricket world cup. Many were joking about how India's H1B team (and not USA) beat Pakistan. Is the Argentina song about the nationality of the player's parents any different?
These players have exposure, have colleagues and friends who have roots in Africa and play for Franch/Netherlands/Germany etc. Can we not assume the best in them and think that all this is not coming from a bad place. Is it possible this is healthy banter?
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Unlike all those Argentina's who descend from native South Americans. You'd think modern pr Would do a better job at hiding this blatant racism.
 
Yeah. So I could see some leeway for the cultural/not directly racist argument, except for the comparing being black or of African descent to being transgender, which is impressively both extremely homophobic and extremely racist, and 100% direct.

Definitely not something you double down on after its pointed out to you how racist it is. Unless, you know, you're a racist. Or incredibly thick. Or both.
 
noodlehair said:
Yeah. So I could see some leeway for the cultural/not directly racist argument, except for the comparing being black or of African descent to being transgender, which is impressively both extremely homophobic and extremely racist, and 100% direct.

Definitely not something you double down on after its pointed out to you how racist it is. Unless, you know, you're a racist. Or incredibly thick. Or both.
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The transgender part is specifically about Mbappé, it follows an event where he went with a famous transwoman.
 
JPRouve said:
The transgender part is specifically about Mbappé, it follows an event where he went with a famous transwoman.
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Yeah, so its depredatory towards Mbappe, based on him being black and liking transgender people, which is extremely racist, and extremely homophobic.

I can't really see what other way you're meant to interpret it. Up there with John Terry claiming he was only racially abusing an opponent to tell them he wasn't racially abusing them.
 
noodlehair said:
Yeah, so its depredatory towards Mbappe, based on him being black and liking transgender people, which is extremely racist, and extremely homophobic.

I can't really see what other way you're meant to interpret it. Up there with John Terry claiming he was only racially abusing an opponent to tell them he wasn't racially abusing them.
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It's more that there is two things happening in the song. One is racism towards all french black players but also transphobia/homophobia toward one in particular.
 
Im not the slightest surprised
Racism is deeply entrenched in that country.
feck argentina
 
ryan_forlan said:
The following is the translation of the song (it seems):

"Listen, spread the word;
They play in France, but they are all from Angola;
How nice it is! They are going to run;
They are 'cometravas'*, like fecking Mbappé;
Their mom is Nigerian;
Their dad, Cameroonian.
But in the document ..Nationality: French".

*cometravas is a slang term that loosely translates to someone who likes fecking transgender people.

The above is transphobic for sure which makes it quite distasteful. The heat that this video gets should be about this.

But, Racist? Are we sure?
  • Could this be more of a mocking of how France poaches players and talents from all over Africa and yet "we" beat them?
  • Is the premise of the chant any different from the one used by Trevor Noah for this segment? Did Africa Just Win The World Cup? | The Daily Show With Trevor Noah (youtube.com)
  • When USA beat Pakistan in the T20 cricket world cup. Many were joking about how India's H1B team (and not USA) beat Pakistan. Is the Argentina song about the nationality of the player's parents any different?
These players have exposure, have colleagues and friends who have roots in Africa and play for Franch/Netherlands/Germany etc. Can we not assume the best in them and think that all this is not coming from a bad place. Is it possible this is healthy banter?
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1. Yes it's mocking France for the need of African origin players, being true, accurate or not, doesn't matter, it's stupid banter. It has a connection to what Trevor did: a dig on the Colonial aspect of it, but not even close in the manners, nor praising African or Black players like Trevor did.
2. It's racist/xenophobic because it has an undertone, underlying meaning, that implies that French people cannot be from African origin (or directly black, Europeans: White, Africans: Black, yeah stoopid), even if in its exact words its more xenophobic than racist, both type of discriminations are equally as bad.
3. The "They are going to run" part it's related to accusing a rival of avoiding a fight, normally in this type of chants it's used against rivals or the police.
4. The Mbappe part it's pure transgenderphobia/homophobia against him, due to some news about it, not towards "African" players.

It's kind of stupid to actually analize a banter song, feels like disecting a piece of shyte.
Anyway it's curious how diff interpretation of the actual meaning of the banter were made.
 
How this thread is not 30 pages of people agreeing it's racist is quite depressing. Some people writing academic papers trying to justify it... jesus.
 
Unreal, isn't it? Far worse and more hate-filled than Cavani's "incident" and the exact same way of broadcasting the message with social media.

But the FA/PL and media's reaction is "Eh, whatever..."
 
Shane88 said:
Unreal, isn't it? Far worse and more hate-filled than Cavani's "incident" and the exact same way of broadcasting the message with social media.

But the FA/PL and media's reaction is "Eh, whatever..."
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It’s absolutely disgusting that this was a clearly racist thing like 100% not just cultural misunderstanding someone speaking their own language but actual racism. But it’s fine.

Meanwhile a gorilla emoji is investigated with greater scrutiny.
 
There's no way he doesn't get a ban, it will probably just take a while.
 
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