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You know what I mean, when are they going to learn?Argentina players singing racist chant targeting French players after Copa America final
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You know what I mean, when are they going to learn?Why were they singing about France after winning the Copa America?
When they can differentiate AM and PM?
Between the Argentinians doing that hate song and @Spoony being a homophobic shitwallet, quite a day for bigots everywhere.
I consider myself highly empathetic, particularly towards those with similar backgrounds. However, given all your comments, I find it troubling that it does not.
Repeating a song sung after they won the world cup
Not sure that will fix anything but couldn’t be worseJust trying to make sense of it all, I think he did not care about the consequences of the song, either because he is thick, or because staying at Chelsea is not a priority
He stopped the live stream seconds after the racist chanting started. He knew.
¿Dónde están mis muñecas?
Maybe. It does bother me a bit that I have only seen announcements by Chelsea and France in regards to investigating this.
If you were in that bus, you were probably chanting. It didn’t look like they struggled to pick up the words, either, so they’ve probably been singing it since the last World Cup.
If your team has players on the Argentine national team, then your team should be getting ahead and investigating this.
The world, in general, has a hard enough time trying to stamp out chants like this from crowds. It CANNOT be accepted being replicated by teams.
Footballers are often not the best educated bunch, but that’s why educating in moments like this is important. And a big part of that education should/will be punishments.
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You probably have a higher opinion of Angola, Cameroon, Nigeria and transgender people than most people in this thread. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Are you going to waste your time responding to every single one of these? Who has the energy?!
Damn, very stupid of him when some of his teammates are French
Even if it's just banter sometimes you have to draw the line
Even if it's just banter sometimes you have to draw the line
I have the energy.
In the morning when school starts
To where?
No big club wants to deal with this mess.
He's eyeing a move to PSG
The spanish clubs would forgive that surely
Yes, it's really that racist. First of all France doesn't "poach players from all over Africa". What a weird remark. You don't seem to understand French society. These players are all born and/or raised Frenchmen.
Second: saying a citizen born and raised in France isn't a true Frenchman because they have dark skin, is discriminatory and about as racist as it gets. It's also something the French far-right extremists used to say and are still saying.
It is not the French national team that is being sung about. It is Mbappe, and players who have apparently have roots in Angola, Cameroon, and Nigeria. The country of France is clearly not being mocked, specific French players are. There is nothing in the chant about Argentina beating France, either - no place where the 'we' is implied.
In your clip, the premise for Trevor Noah's joke is that there are many African-origin players in that French squad. Which is a fact. 'You don't get this tan in the south of France' is the joke based on this fact. But that's where the similarity ends.
Firstly, Trevor Noah is of African descent himself. And he is performing comedy on live television. There is a performative nature to his act, which means not everything he says is a belief or the truth, but a made up narrative in which he was joking about origins he shares himself. A white comedian making the same joke? Problematic, because it's punching down - but he's still performing, so maybe he doesn't truly believe in the act. A white comedian saying the same thing but in private, while being secretly recorded? Even more problematic, and perhaps no longer a 'joke' - it indicates belief. Secondly, Noah's joke celebrates African heritage instead of being derogatory towards the players' French nationality. There is no hate.
In contrast, the Argentine players are white, and not doing a comedy bit at all. There is an obvious derogatory depiction of Mbappe (and the 'they', which is players like him, clearly referring to race given the countries mentioned). The premise is still the same, but now there is a lot of hate. There's a difference between stating 'a lot of the French players are of African origin' (a fact), and 'they are all from Angola' (a derogatory generalization which is dismissive, and we know present in this song only for rhyming patterns). Also, the way the song contrasts between the countries of birth and the document of nationality clearly undermines the identity of the players - reduces them to the color of their skin, takes away their national pride - as if to tell them 'you don't belong in this country'. It implies a belief that white people can belong to the countries their families have migrated to, but black people cannot. Superiority of a race over another. Racism.
Again, celebrating the US players' Indian heritage, rather than undermining their sense of nationality or belonging to the US. If it were the bolded bit you've included (which I've not encountered, but possible) then it becomes racist. If it were non-Indians/non-Americans singing chants about the Indian origin players, stating how they are all from Bombay, being transphobic towards one of them, and then ending with 'In green card -USA', indicating that the players don't belong to the US national team, that would definitely be racist, as well.
The outrage is because there players have exposure, colleagues and friends with roots in Africa, they should know how it is racist to sing such chants. That it is not from a sense of ignorance, but of indifference. It's because Enzo did not cut his stream for the first chant, but did for the second. He knew it is wrong, but didn't care. Excuses like 'the chant is catchy', 'they have African friends' are just that - excuses. You can assume the best in them in incidents like Cavani's - where his cultural roots prevented him from knowing possible interpretations of the word negrito. When international footballers like Enzo - playing at diverse clubs like Chelsea, actively bending the knee at kick off for a cause along with his team, holding up banners, wearing shirts with slogans and participating in anti-racism campaigns - do this, it is necessary to not assume the best anymore.
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I haven't jumped to conclusions. I have said questions need to be asked because Enzo is not singing it alone. Licha/Garnacho may or may not be involved - we don't know. I am curious, and I am sure there will be players in the United squad who are, too.
Sadly in some parts of South America, racism is deeply embedded in society. This isn't surprising if you've been to Argentina.
"Did you sing? No." Case closed.
I’d say this is what actually makes it more unacceptable.
If it had just occurred around the World Cup final then it would come under more of a kind of sledging.
This is the issue, yeah.
What makes you think that?
Absolutely, if they were part of the racial chanting. If there is no evidence that they were we will just have to trust that they behaved properly.
It will be interesting to see what Chelsea do with Enzo, the club has a deep history of racism but surely even for them this is unacceptable?
I find racism is alive and well in South America while it's largely been blunted in Europe.
It's hard to believe that people are genuinely questioning whether this is racist or not... It's clearcut racism.
You solved that particular issue, didn't you, you limey tea sipping sheep shagging bastards. All is well in Europe.
Do we know who the guy at the end smiling delightedly in the background is?
I say they should arrange a match between France and Argentina, like, next week, and let the players settle it like in times far gone.
No red cards unless someone smashes an opponent to the brink of a seizure.
Then when the dust is settled, the players shake hands, and go their separate ways, after gifting each other small presents, and chocolate.
No red cards unless someone smashes an opponent to the brink of a seizure.
Then when the dust is settled, the players shake hands, and go their separate ways, after gifting each other small presents, and chocolate.
I don’t think Enzo would be happy taking it for everyone involved, there’s at least a couple who were also singing it, people talk, a lot.
Nah, I think they'll cover for each other well and Enzo will be "fined" and that will be it.
This was my take too
Otamendi would be my guessDo we know who the guy at the end smiling delightedly in the background is?
A colleague of mine worked in Brazil for the organising committee for the Olympic Games and he told me that racist "banter" was an every day occurrence and was just laughed off.
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