Argentina players singing racist chant targeting French players after Copa America final

What's lost on all of you is the point of the song isn't to belittle the French players of African descent but how the French that colonised them need them to be any good at football.

If you take issue with the transeater stuff, fair enough, but everyone's getting the point completely wrong as far as the white supremacy angle is concerned.
I don't know the history of the song but I see what you're saying. But... I don't think these idiots meant it the way you describe.

Things change meaning over time. It's Coming Home is a perfect example. It was originally about England hosting a tournament but now it's about England winning a trophy.

The song here might be about colonialism but I doubt that's how these players meant it, especially when you consider the swipe at Mbappe.
 
Aye, my wife is Costa Rican and I am mixed race South African. Let's just say the use of "negrita/negrito" back in her home country isn't exactly frowned upon. It's an actual literal descriptor/adjective to them. Fortunately my in-laws don't use the word but whoever does, doesn't see/mean offence really but also doesn't think further ahead about the offence it might cause to others etc. It is extremely "normalized" over there, basically. From my experience & from what the missus tells me, anyway. I guess they also have an almost non-existent/minority afro/black population. & from this event, Suarez/Evra etc. it seems like a fair few of the latin american countries feel similar.

It's also generally not meant as an insult or in any way pejorative. From experience the same is true for colombians or cubans.
 
Has Messi issued a statement? Where is he on this?
I doubt you will hear from him at all. If he takes the stance of coming out to publicly condemn other players, he runs a serious risk of double backlash if/when players come out “you were singing it to” or “wha? YOU made us learn it”

Paid news outlets don’t have to write a story every few days about two players “actually having admiration for each other” unless the two guys each want the other to fall off a cliff. Generally at least

We’ve already established that the Argentine players seemed to know this song well. If they sang it often as motivation, do people really think Messi, the captain, didn’t participate?

The kids don’t set the tone on the Argentina team.
 
What's lost on all of you is the point of the song isn't to belittle the French players of African descent but how the French that colonised them need them to be any good at football.

If you take issue with the transeater stuff, fair enough, but everyone's getting the point completely wrong as far as the white supremacy angle is concerned.
To me it seemed more anti French than anti black, but even so, that’s a wild ass chant. The irony in that too is that Argentina is a product of colonization. Also makes me wonder what they sing about Brazil knowing they have had many players of African descent.
 
Messi wasn't there.

You can hear on the video that someone is telling him to cut the live feed, because of the song. There's about 10 seconds of the racist song, and you can hear others participating. You can't say for sure who.
Key here is they told him to “cut the feed” not to stop the song. The more experienced Argentina players are savvy enough to stop teammates when they try to sing it in public or on camera. But that doesn’t make singing it “just among the team” better. It just means some of the them have had decades of image consultancy.
 

Apology after apology. If there was like couple of racist words in the song and he sung it in excitement, then that makes sense. But the whole lyrics is racist. So saying "I was not paying attention to the lyrics in excitement of the win" is BS.
 
Well, I’d have to disagree there, and not for footballing reasons. I would genuine like massive fines, kicked off the team, genuine contrition, but I would also very much like it if some education creeped into his head. If they were ever friends, for some sort of enlightenment to be gained by talking to the teammates he affected on a personal level. Why? Because the guy has kids.

“But Bluelion, who gives a deck about the life courses of two or three little twats and whether they grow up with the same lessons?”

I do. I think it’s important the entire Argentina footballing body have a reckoning and educate themselves and their players. Do I think that will happen? No. But a group of people have a chance to make at least one player really feel the siht and maybe alter his course.
That's very nice but wasn't at all what I was replying to duffer about, nor what JPRouve picked up on.
 
The following is the translation of the song (it seems):

"Listen, spread the word;
They play in France, but they are all from Angola;
How nice it is! They are going to run;
They are 'cometravas'*, like fecking Mbappé;
Their mom is Nigerian;
Their dad, Cameroonian.
But in the document ..Nationality: French".


*cometravas is a slang term that loosely translates to someone who likes fecking transgender people.

The above is transphobic for sure which makes it quite distasteful. The heat that this video gets should be about this.

But, Racist? Are we sure?
  • Could this be more of a mocking of how France poaches players and talents from all over Africa and yet "we" beat them?
  • Is the premise of the chant any different from the one used by Trevor Noah for this segment? Did Africa Just Win The World Cup? | The Daily Show With Trevor Noah (youtube.com)
  • When USA beat Pakistan in the T20 cricket world cup. Many were joking about how India's H1B team (and not USA) beat Pakistan. Is the Argentina song about the nationality of the player's parents any different?
These players have exposure, have colleagues and friends who have roots in Africa and play for Franch/Netherlands/Germany etc. Can we not assume the best in them and think that all this is not coming from a bad place. Is it possible this is healthy banter?

Yes, it's that bad. I explained why. They have been dealing with this kind of racism all their lives. Do you know how many times they have been told they're not really French or to go back to Africa?

There's no reference to the colour of their skin explicitly, but it's obviously implied. Like another poster said, they're not singing this about Griezmann's or Giroud's roots. They don't say this kind of stuff when you have roots in another white country.
 
I found it odd that Jackson stuck up for him. Seems like there is a big divide in the squad.

I can’t quite make sense of Jackson’s stance. It could be that he is seeing Enzo get absolutely battered online and they’re good friends so he thinks he should stick up for his friend that he doesn’t believe is a racist person. That’s what I hope it is anyway.
 
Apparently he wasn't even on the bus and travelled separately from the rest of the team.

There is a bit of confusion on here so would just like to point out that there's 2 chants in the video the first 30 seconds being a Argentina national team chant and the last 10 seconds (when the chants change) being the racist one. During the second chant you can see Enzo and hear other voices before Enzo ended the video. He must've realised mid chant what it will cause.
See, now this wasn’t explained very well. All the outlets I’ve read have described the Singing of racist chants, and then gave translation. It definitely made it seem like the singing was the racist chant.
 
The top comment being a guy with a John Terry profile picture telling him to shut up is a bit on the nose.

There is a disappointing amount of Chelsea fans who have been on Wesley Fofana’s back since yesterday, the main argument being Fofana is the one seeing division in the dressing room by calling Enzo out publicly.
 
I can’t quite make sense of Jackson’s stance. It could be that he is seeing Enzo get absolutely battered online and they’re good friends so he thinks he should stick up for his friend that he doesn’t believe is a racist person. That’s what I hope it is anyway.
It feels like a lot of South/Central America have a warped view on racism, I would guess Jackson probably holds a similar view to some echo'd in here, along with possibly being friends with Fernandez.

What's clear is Fernandez and everyone else knows exactly what the song is saying, and all of the words, as it's been around for 2 years. They just don't see anything wrong with it.
 
Argentinians are mostly Italians and Spaniards.

Argentina NT would look quite different if not for a massive genocide of the Indigenous people first, and a whitewashing effort to remove all the African slaves from the country once they were not of use after.

Funny they joke about France players origins. (But they are not racists.. wink wink)
 
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why would Jackson get offended on Enzo mocking the French? he's from Senegal and he plays for Senegal. if anything, stating that French NT needs players from Senegal is positive thing for people from that country.
 
why would Jackson get offended on Enzo mocking the French? he's from Senegal and he plays for Senegal. if anything, stating that French NT needs players from Senegal is positive thing for people from that country.
Let's stop pretending it's a chant that mocks the French when the chant has omitted players that aren't black.
 
why would Jackson get offended on Enzo mocking the French? he's from Senegal and he plays for Senegal. if anything, stating that French NT needs players from Senegal is positive thing for people from that country.
It's an anti black song so maybe you can figure it out yourself why Jackson would be offended. Seriously some of the comments here are beyond stupid.
 
What's lost on all of you is the point of the song isn't to belittle the French players of African descent but how the French that colonised them need them to be any good at football.

If you take issue with the transeater stuff, fair enough, but everyone's getting the point completely wrong as far as the white supremacy angle is concerned.
Yep. It's all of us who are wrong and only you who are correct.
 
To me it seemed more anti French than anti black, but even so, that’s a wild ass chant. The irony in that too is that Argentina is a product of colonization. Also makes me wonder what they sing about Brazil knowing they have had many players of African descent.

It's absolutely anti black. Consider the part about their documents, there is a clear insinuation that they are not actually french. And that point can't really be about immigration, colonialism or anything like that because first 2024 Argentina is nearly entirely made of immigrants and they didn't mention a single white player, even though some of the current white players come for immigration and didn't even grew up in France.
 
why would Jackson get offended on Enzo mocking the French? he's from Senegal and he plays for Senegal. if anything, stating that French NT needs players from Senegal is positive thing for people from that country.
People have such a weird interpretation of things it is no wonder we are sometimes unable to call a spade a spade. The nation matters little in this case. This French scenario can be applied to other countries. It is the race that matters and also transgender issues. This wasnt about Griezmann's Portuguese/German background.
 
Are they directly insulting the players of African decent or the French for using African players to achieve success? That is my understanding of that lyrics

They are hurling homophobic and transphobic at these very same players. Let's use our brains here. If the intent was to insult France as a country, not the black French players, why are they calling them things like tr*nnyfeckers and f*ggots?
 
I would love to be at Stamford Bridge during the first training session when Enzo meets the French players - God - that will be chilly haha :)
 
Let's stop pretending it's a chant that mocks the French when the chant has omitted players that aren't black.

he obviously doesn't see it the same way you do. it's not like they're childhood friends and it's certainly not something you ignore.
 
These threads are always so depressing, not just because of the chants that started it, but because it shows we have plenty of folk on the caf who have no idea what racism, homophobia and transphobia are.
 
These threads are always so depressing, not just because of the chants that started it, but because it shows we have plenty of folk on the caf who have no idea what racism, homophobia and transphobia are.

They know, they just appreciate it.
 
They are hurling homophobic and transphobic at these very same players. Let's use our brains here. If the intent was to insult France as a country, not the black French players, why are they calling them things like tr*nnyfeckers and f*ggots?
I shared my opinion on whether the part that mentioned the country of origin of the parents was racism or not. They can both insult France and the players.
 
These threads are always so depressing, not just because of the chants that started it, but because it shows we have plenty of folk on the caf who have no idea what racism, homophobia and transphobia are.
Well reform did get millions of votes in the UK recently, so i think it's representative of where society is at at the moment. Although, it should be pointed out that there are far more that are seeing it as it is and calling it out.
 
These threads are always so depressing, not just because of the chants that started it, but because it shows we have plenty of folk on the caf who have no idea what racism, homophobia and transphobia are.
Well I think it's even more depressing because some are clearly closest racist and arguing in bad faith. This playing stupid and asking dumb questions isn't fooling me.
 
These threads are always so depressing, not just because of the chants that started it, but because it shows we have plenty of folk on the caf who have no idea what racism, homophobia and transphobia are.

They sit behind their keyboards in ignorance and privilege, chatting absolute nonsense. It's also disappointing that the Admins continue to allow it.
 
I doubt you will hear from him at all. If he takes the stance of coming out to publicly condemn other players, he runs a serious risk of double backlash if/when players come out “you were singing it to” or “wha? YOU made us learn it”

Paid news outlets don’t have to write a story every few days about two players “actually having admiration for each other” unless the two guys each want the other to fall off a cliff. Generally at least

We’ve already established that the Argentine players seemed to know this song well. If they sang it often as motivation, do people really think Messi, the captain, didn’t participate?

The kids don’t set the tone on the Argentina team.
This is the thing. They knew the lyrics, so it must have been sung many times. It also means the song is widely accepted in the team. They are all in the same boat(bus) here.
 
he obviously doesn't see it the same way you do. it's not like they're childhood friends and it's certainly not something you ignore.
he probably needs to read the room then in regards to his colleagues.
 
Argentinians are mostly Italians and Spaniards.

Argentina NT would look quite different if not for a massive genocide of the Indigenous people first, and a whitewashing effort to remove all the African slaves from the country once they were not of use after.

Funny they joke about France players origins. (But they are not racists.. wink wink)

You mean racist like the president of Kenya?
 
They should have to play a euros instead of a copa for 1 year as punishment. Organized by Uefa not Fifa.
 
the French should respond in similar way and mock the Argies for all the trophies they won because of Higuain goals, as he was born in France.

oh wait.