Irwin99
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First season wasn't that bad but the second one was tragic. I'm not writing him off yet but this is a big season for him.
Wonder when the LB conversion chat will raise it's head again this season
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you can't make it for two seasons, there is no chance to suddenly blossom in season three at United's levelFirst season wasn't that bad but the second one was tragic. I'm not writing him off yet but this is a big season for him.
There’s a player there, he has qualities and was Brazils first choice about 18 months ago. I know playing for United can utterly destroy a player if they aren’t mentally strong, but his decline has been baffling
I agree that he should have been sold, but please tell me how we sell a guy who wont want to leave? on his kind of money and aint that good? Its easy to say the club aint run properly, but tell us what they should have done?I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you can't make it for two seasons, there is no chance to suddenly blossom in season three at United's level
Antony has failed and he will never make it here. Everybody but him understands it and he should have been sold if our club were run properly
By not giving him game time and letting him know he’s not going to get any game time either. If he values playing football over anything else he will be open to a move, most likely on loan rather than a sale. Not sure how much we would recoup in transfer fees if we put a price on him but wouldn’t expect anything north of £25mI agree that he should have been sold, but please tell me how we sell a guy who wont want to leave? on his kind of money and aint that good? Its easy to say the club aint run properly, but tell us what they should have done?
Last season was a clear decline from his previous level. Which is bad, because even his previous level wasn't really good enough to be a starting player here, but he was decent enough to be squad player (for the short-term at least anyway). Then last season he just went from 'ok' to utter shit.He hasn't declined, his level is just not good enough for what we need in this league
1. Make it clear he will not play a single minute at United ever againI agree that he should have been sold, but please tell me how we sell a guy who wont want to leave? on his kind of money and aint that good? Its easy to say the club aint run properly, but tell us what they should have done?
1. Make it clear he will not play a single minute at United ever again
2. Pay him off to feck off
It is expensive, which we can thank previous regime for, but it is not impossible. Actually it will be more expensive when Maguire and Lindelof leave for free next Summer, so we are penny-wise, pound-foolish with them. Antony's situation is more complex, but so was Ozil's and yet Arsenal showed character, we are a laughing stock
Yes, if you want a player gone - stop using them and sending mixed messages. If you want to break up with your romantic partner, stop having sex with them after you told them it is probably not workingArsenal and Ozil was a totally different situation than Manchester United and Antony.
Ozil wasnt getting any minutes at Arsenal. ETH still uses Antony, the club isnt going to release/pay a player to leave if that player is actually being used by the manager. Or do you want the club to tell ETH that he isnt allowed to use a player that is part of the squad?
Andy Cole says hiI hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you can't make it for two seasons, there is no chance to suddenly blossom in season three at United's level
Antony has failed and he will never make it here. Everybody but him understands it and he should have been sold if our club were run properly
I'd imagine he might be our worst ever signing.Worst singing in the clubs recent history in terms of the economics and pound for pound value.
If he's circa 15-20 million his influence or lack thereof is easier to digest.
I can see Anthony performing in a system where the fullback overloads (regularly) and the striker makes runs to drag defenders, providing the spaces in the middle for him but at best it's still one trick pony territory.
He doesn't have the talent or guile of a Robben / Saka who are simplistic but effective in execution.
The best hope is for him to have a semi-decent season where he looks a 30 million pound signing and using that pedigree to drum up interest with the Saudi's or a moderate European club.
Worst singing in the clubs recent history in terms of the economics and pound for pound value.
Depends on your definition.I'd imagine he might be our worst ever signing.
Yeah hard to argue with that. It's pretty incredible when Pogba and Maguire aren't even in the conversation for worst signing ever.Depends on your definition.
If you're talking about a player being so ridiculously and obviously overpriced when we first bought him, then yeah he probably is. If you mean in terms of what they provide when they are at the club, then just in the last few years we've had VDB and Sancho who were both worse. Obviously Sancho (and Antony for that matter) might have time to turn that around, but at the moment Antony's first season is clearly better than any Sancho has had for us.
Not sure it's fair to criticise him on his Karaoke performances at club socials?Worst singing in the clubs recent history in terms of the economics and pound for pound value.
Sancho and Antony, a pair of well matched overpaid oxygen thieves
Odd way to phrase it given pretty much nobody here wanted him to do badly or revels in his failure.Don't really get the big circlejerk about how he's the worst signing ever, especially with Jadon fecking Sancho right there.
He had an appalling second season, but important goals against Arsenal, Barca and Liverpool as well as the fact that he can actually be arsed running about a bit puts him ahead of what Sancho has shown in a United shirt by a mile.
100% correct. Sancho failure is his own and I have 0 sympathy for him. Antony on the other hand is just stupid move by the club, ETH identifying him in the first place and then nobody stopping this going through.Sancho and Antony are difficult to compare in my opinion. Sancho was once one of the most highly-rated young players in the world, often mentioned alongside Mbappé. We waited patiently to sign him, only to end up with a player who doesn't fit our style of play, lacks passion, and seems uninterested. Still, at the time of his signing, the fee seemed reasonable considering his past performances, statistics, and interest from other top clubs.
Antony, on the other hand, was never close to being worth his fee. We were taken advantage of by Ajax in what was essentially a panic buy after losing Greenwood. The board likely thought that his previous success under Ten Hag would translate to our team, but that hasn't been the case. Since joining, he has contributed almost nothing, displays a bad temper, overestimates his own abilities (just read his interviews), and is a one-dimensional player who's become a meme. Not to mention his off-pitch controversies.
In the end, both signings were huge flops, but Antony's was the worse of the two—possibly the worst signing we've ever made.
Problem is he lives off those rare moments and in his own mind appears to believe that he's got it all as a result of 2 actions in a season.It's nice that he's confident about improving his G/A but also telling that no one actually believes it'll happen. His 2 best moments last season were his goal vs LIverpool in the cup and that assist to Garnacho at Chelsea so he again proved he can have great moments (same was the case in 22/23) but probably not more than that, at least not in the Premier League.