Stats say the opposite.
24
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 33
- Clean sheets
- 8
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 1
I never said he is good enough for us. All I said was he isn't the one to be blamed for that goal and that's a fact. You guys want to put everything on him because of his pervious mistakes .
I think there is a difference to a mistake and maybe could have done better. We have seen him make mistakes and this doesn't even compare to the others.
As a keeper, you always think you could do better but once you have saved on, you do hope that your defenders can help you out at times.
I think people are that frustrated with pervious performances, that people forensically examine everything with a negative view.
And neither do you, so carry on having minimal expectations for our players. It's why we're 15th afterall
I mean that's semantics I suppose, to me if you could do better you've made a mistake... It's not a clanger but yeah.
I'd bench him permanently as soon as Bayndir is fit, wait for Ten Hag's next job and sell him there for £40m cuz we know that sucker will pay it.
Some fans on here need a dog to kick even when they own a cat. Noticed on here now that pretty much every goal somehow seems to blame him for it?
Christ the way they talk about other keepers, their games should all be ending 0-0...
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Not sure it's semantics...there all kind of strange narratives used in football? For example you never shouted 'unlucky'?
Distribution-wise, I’m not sure we’d be any worse off overall with your standard keeper from 10 years ago who was asked to keep it simple. He’s obviously very comfortable with the ball at his feet, far more so than Bayndir. You never really feel like he’s going to mis-control the ball or turn into trouble.
His actual passing however is nowhere near top level. Then again, I can’t even work out what we’re trying to do when playing the ball out. There must be some form of training that we go through, but I’ve never seen a team consistently have to hoof it down the channels like we do.
His actual passing however is nowhere near top level. Then again, I can’t even work out what we’re trying to do when playing the ball out. There must be some form of training that we go through, but I’ve never seen a team consistently have to hoof it down the channels like we do.
You know, I think the most damning thing about him is that he's really not. His distribution is shite for the most part. The fantasy some people had about signing some amazing, proactive sweeper keeper who'd be pinging balls around like peak Pirlo certainly hasn't been made reality. He's also just as welded to his line on crosses as De Gea was. It's a struggle to point out any area where he was a meaningful upgrade.
The narrative that he is a professional keeper so that he should have a stronger fist to put it out of danger , is as laughable as it can get.
Sometimes I wonder if these posters have played this game before. This place isn't good after games. So I will stay out for couple of days.
I'm logging off too.....
I’ve played in goal form twenty years or so. With stronger wrists or hands you can parry it wide. It’s about how quick you are, how much weight you have behind the shot etc. if uou are fully stretched there is only so much you can do, but with quicker feet, reflexes and stronger wrists you can improve. Hate to drag him into these discussions, but DDG worked on his wrists and became so much better at parrying shots out wide. It’s something that you can definitely work on
The least of our problems
This I mostly agree sith. It’s not a mistake per se, but the best do better.
Just as we don’t have match winners in attack, we don’t have match winners at the back, snd that stretches beyond Onana.
Like virtually all our players hes suffering from a lack of confidence. If you watch him practice before a game he is inch perfect with his distribution. Miles better than De Gea was. Blow the whistle and it's like he's never seen a football before.
That's the biggest issue we need to fix across all our players. The ability is fine but they play like they don't want to be there.
He's been here for nearly two years and is closing in on a hundred games for the club. During that time he's never really looked good enough. If he's not coping with playing in a United shirt by now, he never will. Tim Howard went on to be an excellent Premier League keeper at Everton for a decade, but he simply couldn't hack it at United. Being able to ping a few passes around during the warmup isn't a useful skill (frankly I'm sure the vast majority of professional footballers can do that with zero stakes or opposition players to worry about), and you can't just "fix" someone not being able to perform under pressure. Such players were simply binned in the Fergie days, just as Howard was having played less games for the club than Onana has now.
If we binned all the players who struggle under pressure we'd be forfeiting games.
This is the biggest issue for me. I'd be OK with a mediocre keeper that played a big part in us controlling matches and playing through the press, but he's nowhere near the keeper we thought we were getting from Inter; his long passing has been really poor for us, and his short passes are either overly careful or really careless.
DDG was terrible too when he left, so it's basically a sidegrade, but that's a waste considering the money and time spent on him.
When he dives he somehow seems to stay in the same place.
Exactly what I mean.
I dunno, shovelling the ball straight into the strikers path every game isn’t helping matters. Feels like we keep conceding the same goal every week.
It's one of those, where it's not 100% his fault, but he could do better.
He got down and got 2 soft hands to it, he could very well have got down with one strong hand and pushed it away. It's very close to him, so going with two hands seemed odd. As a keeper, you'd be pissed at either not holding it or not getting it far enough away that it becomes a tap in.
De Ligt also needs to be quicker to react there to the movement of Maddison towards the rebound.
I can understand people defending him with the parrying of the ball back into the danger area. I’m not. He’s always done it, will have worked hard in training not to do it so much, but does it time and time again.
His constant clangers are unforgivable. He’s an average at best keeper, not going to improve and needs selling this summer.
His constant clangers are unforgivable. He’s an average at best keeper, not going to improve and needs selling this summer.
Not sure whether he had any blame in their goal today. Either way it is moot as he is an awful goalkeeper and needs replacing in the summer.
What’s his strength? With De Gea we knew he was a top shot stopper but wasn’t the best at commanding his area, this guy is below average at every goalkeeping aspect. Good with his passing? Give me a break, it’s panicky and puts his defence under pressure. Another match, another goal conceded where he could’ve done better. £50m for the pleasure of downgrading on your keeper, another damning indictment of how this club is run.
His first touch is good, he sorts his feet out well and his basic passing is way better than De Gea's.
But I reckon he weighs the same as a 6ft 4 goalkeeper without being anywhere near that height and it shows. He's heavy and moves that way. This problem he has with getting down to shots and dealing with them will always be there because of that.
Just a terrible buy and the club has to move him on this summer. You can't build when a keeper makes this many mistakes.
The quicker people realise that he's absolutely shit at distribution, the better. His passing is average and his throwing is the same, just look at the booking Dorgu took for him.
The fact we signed him as a modern day 'keeper who'd help us push higher up the pitch is laughable when you think back. All that optimism of pushing the defence higher up went straight out on the window in pre-season, after he got lobbed from near the halfway line.
He's been a total waste of £60m and yet another player who didn't upgrade the player he replaced.
We know strikers make the difference in winning a game, but Goalkeepers can lose you a game.
He has time and time again made Utd lose matches with stupid mistakes.
He has time and time again made Utd lose matches with stupid mistakes.
Club management have excelled at ineptitude over the last decade.
United is full of players that pick up bad habits…
Onana having a clanger or not managing a very comfortable situation, is now such a regular occurrence I have no reaction to it.
Just another one to add to the list.
Onana having a clanger or not managing a very comfortable situation, is now such a regular occurrence I have no reaction to it.
Just another one to add to the list.
This guy just is so bad at the basics it's almost laughable. His passing isn't fantastic also.
Where does Ruben even start with this team?
Where does Ruben even start with this team?
I'm just watching MOTD and I've paused it when he dives. Just before he dives he moves his left leg to the right so just like I said in my other posts he doesn't actually get any closer to the ball than if he just fell over where he was and it looks like the kid in my other post.
He more or less jumps up in the air ( not dive to the left) and lands. That's why he's not a good shot stopper. He doesn't dive. He just goes up and down in the same spot or actually further right because where he's supposed to be launching the dive from his left foot he moves it in the wrong direction.
Pause it before he jumps and he's not far off the centre of the goal and see where he lands. Basically where he started from if he'd just jumped up and stretched his body out. He doesn't get closer to the ball.
He should be stepping left with his right foot and not stepping right with his left.
Edit: Now watch where their goalie starts from and ends up with the JZ shot just after
He more or less jumps up in the air ( not dive to the left) and lands. That's why he's not a good shot stopper. He doesn't dive. He just goes up and down in the same spot or actually further right because where he's supposed to be launching the dive from his left foot he moves it in the wrong direction.
Pause it before he jumps and he's not far off the centre of the goal and see where he lands. Basically where he started from if he'd just jumped up and stretched his body out. He doesn't get closer to the ball.
He should be stepping left with his right foot and not stepping right with his left.
Edit: Now watch where their goalie starts from and ends up with the JZ shot just after
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I really wish we had kept Dean Henderson. That's net 25m saved given the transfer fee we received for Dean and what we paid for Onana. He is never going to be the best keeper in the PL but would have provided some solidity in our goal.
He hesitated in coming off his line about 4-5 times yesterday and was lucky not to concede more because of that indecisiveness. I think it's clear we need a new keeper he ain't it.
Obviously a new keeper should be priority #1 this summer, but is there a single club on earth that would be interested in his signature? Is there currently a top flight team with a worse goalkeeper?
Definitely to be blamed for the goal, horrible parry. That throw towards the end, so so poor. Always seems to lose his head towards the end of games.
Onana is much worse.
Was never a critic of his, but clearly needs to be shoved out of the club. Terrible, terrible GK.