Watch Roy Keane blast Onana for faffing about.
Roy might not fancy Dave but it’s not for reasons we hope Onana will transform our side.
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Watch Roy Keane blast Onana for faffing about.
Roy might not fancy Dave but it’s not for reasons we hope Onana will transform our side.
I actually watched the game live against Liverpool. And he did misjudge the flight of the ball and it was a poor mistake. But as the highlights below indicate, the rest of his game was very impressive against a Liverpool team at Anfield who were a excellent high pressing team.
I know it was just annoying that we lost both matches 1-0 due to a keeping error and the other leg because of a very unlucky own goal.
He didn't even misjudge the flight of the ball, he let it go thinking it would've gone wide, which it would've. He just didn't think the liverpool player could get to it(or never even noticed him)
Oh ffs, it didn't take long did it. Onana is known to talk shit back at critics, can't wait for him to clap back at them.
I couldn't care less about Roy Keane or Dwight Yorke saying what they've said. There's a good reason why the likes of Guardiola, Luis Enrique, Ten Hag are where they're and why the likes of Yorke and Keane are mere pundits.
The simple truth is that the EPL began to recruit coaches post 2015 that placed emphasis on exerting control in all phases of play, and it was just a matter of time before one of those coaches landed at Old Trafford and put a end to De Gea's United career.
The EPL at the top is being dominated by those coaches and it was just a matter time before we also looked to recruit a GK who would allow us to have more of the ball rather than allow ourselves to get pinned back into our own half with a GK rooted to his line.
And if you look deeper into why we used to get pinned in our own half with people then acclaiming De Gea as a saviour. Then it was easy to see that a GK who is reactive in nature was also part of the problem hence teams like West Ham, Spurs etc would bombard our box with a keeper rooted to his line.
Exactly, he misjudged the situation. It happens but the rest of his game was good and he pulled of a fantastic save near the end.
DDG was great for us for a long time, he declined the last few seasons, what he was very good at, declined a bit. Regardless of how DDG was at the end of it, Onana simply fits the system, even if DDG is a better keeper overall (not I think that), his style of play doesn’t match how we are trying to play.
This seems a bit extreme. You don't have to be a world class manager to have an informed opinion. Both Keane and Yorke are veterans of the game, the former having managerial experience as well. You may not agree with everything they say, but using the reason that they are just pundits to disregard their opinion doesn't feel right.
I am pretty sure we would've continued with De Gea if he was still a decent goalkeeper. We were supposed to deal with other priority signings this summer. Now that ETH finally came to the conclusion we can't continue with Dave, we got ourselves a keeper that fits the system. That is the story I believe in because of the contract we offered to DDG.
De Gea was indeed a world class goalkeeper. In unrelated news I used to have a full head of hair and a six pack.
Yeah I think the cup final performance probably sealed his fate, I had the impression ETH was going to keep him on another year given the need in other areas before then.
One can be a great player in their era but that doesn't make one a great teacher of the game. And of course they can have a opinion on the game and there isn't anything wrong with that. But the current EPL is being dominated by coaches who implement a certain brand of football which seems a alien concept for former players like Dwight Yorke to understand. And when you have former players who refuse to accept things have changed in the game from when they played the game. That's when you hear opinions that don't correlate to the present day reality of the EPL.
Think I would rather the opinion of a manager that's actually coached both than that of an ex player that probably hasn't a clue what he's looking at
Yorke has done ok a manager so far, he's entitled to his opinion I think. I don't agree yet but then onana hasn't played an actual match for us yet.
He’s fine to have that opinion. It’s a bit of a weird one when you think of how successful Ederson and Alisson have been but it’s not that crazy.
Don't think Roy will be too hard on him. He absolutely loathes De Gea
Yeah, I think Keane just dislikes De Gea because Dave is and always was, with the best will in the world, a massive fanny.
Onana might be a few other things Roy doesn't like in a keeper, but he certainly isn't that.
Him being ok as a manager has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Ten hag has literally coached both and decided to go with Onana. Why should I take his opinion with any weight over that of ten hags?
Never said he can't have an opinion. I just have no interest in it over someone that has won trophy's with both keepers and decided that DDG ain't it.
Yeah I dunno what I was on about really. I just like Yorke.
Proof or you've always had a dad's bod.
Yeah of course, to be honest I give very little credence to whatever pundits say these days. Media these days has become about extreme takes. For example, no one has said Mount will have solid if unspectacular season + get moved around the front line a bit, the media says he'll either be terrible or get 20 goals and assists. Same with Onana, the reality is he'll make some errors but allow us to play a more proactive style but people can't not compare him to DDG and saying he'll flop or he'll be amazing (it is pointless anyway because it's like comparing Niall Quinn to Kevin Phillips, they are just completely different)
Yes, we have other positions that needs more urgent attention, but in the end it all fell in place (performances towards the end of the season and the contract renewal) and the change happened. Good luck to Dave, loved his time here!
Because SAF took them by the hand and led them through their career. He did everything, all they had to do is listen to the big man. Once they left, there was no daddy to guide them and were left on their own.
My favourite thing with ex players is how tight lip they were then, now, all they do is talk. Everytime they do it is little bit more of a proof that great player does not exactly mean smart man or knowledgeable pundit, coach...
I just wish they stop talking rubbish and start supporting the team. They are by far worst ex players of any team when it comes to being on tv or on social media. Sometimes I have a feeling they say something silly or controversial just to have their names mentioned for days, so they stay relevant.
It's a bit of an ego thing, "we did it better" sort of thing you get with them. They always feel the need to put down the current players. During the old days goalkeepers didn't play so high or use their foot so much so to them it's all just hipster showmanship. That's why Ole was perfect because he tried to do things the Fergie way. Which meant it was more in their footsteps than someone trying to revolutionize the way we play. Its no wonder we're the last "big club" to catch up with the modern game.
His shot stopping ability gets under rated i feel, he might not pull off the cat like de gea had in his locker from time but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he improves on David's xg saved metric.
Bold is so funny because if anything Ole was doing the exact opposite of what Fergie would do. One of the things that made Fergie so great was his ability to adapt to the game, whereas contemporaries fell off. All of our ex-players fall into the same trap thinking there's such a thing as "the United way", when there really isn't. The main things that linked Fergie and Busby was their insistence that the football be as entertaining as possible, and a reliance on the youth system. There was no linkage as far as style of play, tactics, etc. Relating to this thread, even Fergie had varying styles of goalkeepers. Jim Leighton was different to Schmeichel, who was different to VDS, who again was different to DDG. It's always so funny that players who played under Fergie for 10-20 years always seem to miss one of the main ingredients to his success: his adaptability.
I figured it was because Dave likes Avenged Sevenfold, a pretty unforgivable error in judgement, particularly in the eyes of noted Dubliners fan Roy Keane.
Would be quite the turn-around. He was one of the worst shot stoppers in Serie A last season, whereas De Gea actually performed at a level close to his peak (game by game) after a few poor seasons.
Got any stats to back up your Onana shot-stopping claim?
Yorke never played with De Gea, he played with Schmeichel. You'd think he would know a thing or two about goalkeepers.
Onana seems like a straightforward one to me. Better at shot-stopping than Dave? Probably not. Risk taker? Yes. Light years better than Dave with the ball at his feet? Absodefintely.
I've heard ex united players mention we're not a team that play out from the back or keep possession like it has to continue to be so when it's obvious you can't be proactive and dominant without insisting on playing out from the back and you can't achieve this without an Onana or Martinez yet this players get terrible reception upon arrival. Quite odd bunch.
More nonsense spouted by an ex player. After the rubbish about Martinez a year ago, it seems to be Onana's turn this time. Incredible how some ex players are stuck in the stone age and have seemingly less knowledge than some fans.
Interesting then perhaps my eyes have failed as I was generally impressed with onana from what I managed to see of him in both inter and ajax although it would be remiss if u claimed i saw him consistently.
De gea was a shadow of himself from 2018 onwards, he even bungled some routine saves in that period so surely it would only take a low bar of average consistency to beat his xg saved record.
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/55/stats/season/17866/players/_goals_prevented/serie-a-players
Ranked 13th out of 20, but only played 24 games, so if he'd have played as he did for the entire season he'd be at about -7,3, which puts him around 16th/17th.
Which is even more hilarious because we used to under Fergie. We regularly played out with Rio at the back, or with Scholes dropping deep to collect the ball. The only ex-player who says anything coherent is Keane, and that's only when he's talking about us lacking intensity, bravery, etc. and that's echoed by Ten Hag.
De Gea's season (shot saving-wise) was actually good for the first time in a while last season. Almost at 2017-18 if we isolate game by game. It's just 3 or 4 horror shows bringing him down.
Are you saying the people who criticised De Gea were hounders and moaners?
A player who was objectively bad or poor for us and you're making it out like people were being bias against him?
I think your quote is what you want to happen because it would validate your own and a few other's constant one-sided defence and deferral on whenever De Gea would get criticism.
If Onana plays bad, he will get criticism, not because it's an agenda, just like how it was with De Gea.
Your nickname suggests that you don't have a soft spot for anything Ajax related but I could be wrong of course.
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