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People were sort of right, replacing DeGea with him would be absolutely transformative, maybe just not in the manner they thought.

Haven't really seen anything of his passing, maybe one or two really good balls but nothing that is fired through the lines or through the press. That isn’t all his fault as DeGea had the same issue where the players in defence and midfield are just terrible and don’t give options. They all just want it over the top and not to feet to work it around.

Still some of the goals he has let in are really bad and this annoying thing he does where he just gives up on easily saveable shots. Happened again last night but thankfully it rifled off the crossbar.

Feel like to get the best out of his supposed ball playing abilities we need to change the back 4 and invest heavily in midfield. We need to do that anyway but seems extreme need to change 5/6 players to get the benefit of his ball playing ability.
 
David De Gea said:
feck I finally found one! Someone who actually wants DDG back cause I thought that was an imaginary person Onana's defenders dreamed up in their head.

Nah not even I want DDG back, I can still remember how frequent his howlers had become. I just despair we've replaced him with someone who has all the howlers but also a shambles when it comes to saving shots.

To my mind he's made about 5 saves all season that I'd say were genuinely top class. The others he gets praised to high heaven for basics and even those his poor technique is still apparent with the wild ways the ball bounces off him on the parry.

It actually pains me to see such a poor keeper be united's number 1 and I only hope the next manager/ineos will be ruthless and move him on. Can never be a top team with clown ready to through one in or stand and admire any half decent effort as it flies in the net.
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I thought Dave needed replacing in 2018. When he got a new 350k contract I nearly died, but even last season he is still twice the shot stopper that Onana is.

But here is the thing, if we implement a ball playing style from the back, then Onana is the better choice. However, our charlatan of a manager boots out Dave, gets his ball playing keeper, then immediately trashes the idea of playing ball and insists on the most high risk counterattacking football I've ever seen where we concede 20 shots a game.

Everything that is happening in the keeper position makes no sense at all, and it all stems from the manager not having a clue how he wants to play.

Thinking about it now: Even if we want to have a ball playing keeper, there must be others out there who can play ball AND play goalie. And for half the price probably.
 
Kostov said:
With the actual situation we had back then, I felt GK was one of our weaker needs. We had DDG on standby and Kovar on the books. Myself I preferred Onana over Raya for example, but considering the deal Arsenal got, while we paid 50m it was also a bad choice. 50m on Onana was an easy deal because we were stupid and Inter were smart, we overpaid that's why it was easy, it's no excuse. ST, CM, CDM, CB and also a LB were all bigger priorities than a GK.
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Going to have to agree to disagree my friend. As much as we all knew Casemiro would be short term I didn't expect such a drastic fall off so quick - Amrabat would have been a capable backup if Casemiro wasn't so bad. Our CM plan was always going to be Mainoo. As for LB, did anyone predict Malacia would miss a whole season?

This is besides the point anyway. The ideal transfer window rarely exists for anyone. The difference is, at successful clubs, over the long haul the strategy will reao success. I trust Blanc, Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox to do that. City brought in Bravo and he turned out to be a dud - they were ruthless enough to replace him immediately. Berrada and Wilcox will have witnessed this ruthlessness firsthand - I hope they replicate that over here.
 
3KDré said:
Going to have to agree to disagree my friend. As much as we all knew Casemiro would be short term I didn't expect such a drastic fall off so quick - Amrabat would have been a capable backup if Casemiro wasn't so bad. Our CM plan was always going to be Mainoo. As for LB, did anyone predict Malacia would miss a whole season?

This is besides the point anyway. The ideal transfer window rarely exists for anyone. The difference is, at successful clubs, over the long haul the strategy will reao success. I trust Blanc, Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox to do that. City brought in Bravo and he turned out to be a dud - they were ruthless enough to replace him immediately. Berrada and Wilcox will have witnessed this ruthlessness firsthand - I hope they replicate that over here.
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Well Casemiro and Amrabat were never an ideal plan for a long term CDM planning to begin with. And not sure about Mainoo, why waste so much money on Mount than? We had other more glaring needs. Malacia was never good enough and should have been moved quickly.

City bought bravo for 18m euros. An easy to brush off mistake, we wasted 50m on Onana, we will struggle to find anyone to get him for 15m now. I do hope we react quickly and replace him even at those financial numbers, because he really is bellow what is needed.
 
Kostov said:
Well Casemiro and Amrabat were never an ideal plan for a long term CDM planning to begin with. And not sure about Mainoo, why waste so much money on Mount than? We had other more glaring needs. Malacia was never good enough and should have been moved quickly.

City bought bravo for 18m euros. An easy to brush off mistake, we wasted 50m on Onana, we will struggle to find anyone to get him for 15m now. I do hope we react quickly and replace him even at those financial numbers, because he really is bellow what is needed.
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My friend, I don't know what you want me to say! I agree with you we should plan better, just don't agree GK wasn't a priority. We will plan better with the new INEOS men, have faith.
 
You lot are going easy on him from my perspective compared to how Milan fans have already turn their backs on Maignan after committing a few mistakes, injuries + wage demands but, he is also suffering from racist abuse so all in all it's very sad because he is still WC and capable of pulling saves out of this world(look up his save against Genoa for instance).

I wouldn't swap him with Onana(God forbid) but, I really think he could thrive at Old Trafford, the only GK in the world with at least 1 assist in the last few seasons.
 
Missed the 2nd half so just watching the highlights now. WTF was Onana doing on that late shot that hit the post? He didn't even move!
 
People have seen De Gea when he was at his best. So, when he declined, his errors seemed worse than they were because we expected him to be as great as he was in the past, and he wasn't as good any more. However, De Gea during his worst year was still much better than Onana this year.
 
frostbite said:
People have seen De Gea when he was at his best. So, when he declined, his errors seemed worse than they were because we expected him to be as great as he was in the past, and he wasn't as good any more. However, De Gea during his worst year was still much better than Onana this year.
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This is a fair statement, but it's also fair to surmise that Dave would have declined over the next few seasons while Onana will probably remain at the level he is now.

What's really under the skin of the animosity toward Dave were his wages, which were undeniably obscene.
 
We can't afford to replace him with all the other issues we need to address, so we need to play to his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses. Become world class at playing out from the back and drastically reduce goal-scoring opportunities for our opponents. We need to become a top possession team basically.
 
lex talionis said:
This is a fair statement, but it's also fair to surmise that Dave would have declined over the next few seasons while Onana will probably remain at the level he is now.

What's really under the skin of the animosity toward Dave were his wages, which were undeniably obscene.
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We have no idea what is going to happen in the future. Onana may become a great goalkeeper, or he may not. Who knows? VDS was a failure at some point, he joined us at 34 for only 2 million, and he became an all time great. De Gea is 33, he may be better at 35 or he may be retired (probably the latter).

De Gea's new wages were about the same as Onana's wages. We just wasted the transfer fee, which is a lot of money (for a goalkeeper). And now Onana has a 5 year contract, it won't be easy to move him. We could have signed De Gea for 2 years, just enough time to see if we can find someone better.
 
frostbite said:
Did you watch it recently? Watch it again, back to back with Onana's last game. De Gea was much better.
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He wasnt though, De Gea was a good shot stopper but was hopeless in his last 1 or 2 seasons and was seriously lacking all of the other abilities required of a modern keeper
 
RedRocket9908 said:
He wasnt though, De Gea was a good shot stopper but was hopeless in his last 1 or 2 seasons and was seriously lacking all of the other abilities required of a modern keeper
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That's a myth. Repeating it will not make it true. Even in his decline, De Gea was much better than Onana. And the numbers support this, that's why he won the golden glove.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Its not a myth its 100% true
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Last year, in the final vs City, we lost 2-1. De Gea wasn't good in that game, but do you really believe that Onana would have saved any of their two goals? I think that the Haaland shot (goal ruled offside) would also go in because it was too low, and Onana can't catch those.
 
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frostbite said:
Last year, in the final vs City, we lost 2-1. De Gea wasn't good in that game, but do you really believe that Onana would have saved any of their two goals? I think that the Haaland shot (goal ruled offside) would also go in because it was too low, and Onana can't catch those.
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It's all irrelevant, DDG is history, Onana is the future, until he isn't, get over it!
 
frostbite said:
Did you watch it recently? Watch it again, back to back with Onana's last game. De Gea was much better.
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Onana is having a very inconsistent (highs/lows) and bad season. De Gea's worst seasons i.e the last two are pretty much similar for me; their overall performances are not that different. Both capable of good shot stopping and comically bad saves/positioning.

The context is that last season we played a much deeper low-mid block 4-2-3-1 with a fit Martinez/Varane/Casemiro for the majority of the season in front of De Gea, whilst this year ETH has us playing this suicidal 4-2-4. We were also clearly playing within the limitations of De Gea's next to none penalty box command and basic ball playing. For some reason ETH has not managed to coach any kind of coherent system to utilise Onana's ball playing and has exposed his goal for a free-for-all shooting contest. He's still extremely questionable, don't get me wrong but compared to De Gea, it's not that big of a difference for me when you compared their pros/cons. However, Onana can say he's playing his first season is a chaotic system with no defensive stability in front of him and where one of his best assets is not being used properly.

Peak De Gea, sure, it's a no contest. De Gea's last couple seasons? Onana is at worse, on par and given his skillset/circumstance in this squad, slightly ahead with potential in the future.
 
Just watch the highlights from last year's FA cup final. De Gea was very bad that day, and many fans said that he cost us the game. That might be true, the problem is that Onana allows such goals every other week! What is terribly bad for De Gea is a regular occurence with Onana!

And it could be worse, the Haaland shot (Gündoğan disallowed goal) and perhaps the De Bruyne shot would also be a goals with Onana. De Gea saved both. On his bad day, De Gea is better than Onana on his average day.

Yes, I agree we should try to find a better goalkeeper than the De Gea in the FA cup final. The problem is that Onana is even worse than that.

 
Red in STL said:
It's all irrelevant, DDG is history, Onana is the future, until he isn't, get over it!
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But that's exactly what we are discussing, the present and the future! ETH got rid of a bad De Gea, and he paid a lot of money for Onana, who is even worse! Now we need to find money to get rid of Onana and find someone better.
 
frostbite said:
But that's exactly what we are discussing, the present and the future! ETH got rid of a bad De Gea, and he paid a lot of money for Onana, who is even worse! Now we need to find money to get rid of Onana and find someone better.
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If the discussion is the present and the future why does DDG's name appear in every other post?

Onana is going nowhere at this time, we have way more pressing needs than replacing him
 
I thought upgrading DDG was a priority and I was all for it. Costa (Porto) was my first choice and then some other options who would’ve sufficed, like Raya (& all budget dependent of course). Then out of nowhere, right around/after the UCL final, we started being linked with Onana and I was really not too keen for 2 reasons: 1) my vague recollection/memory of him was that he was fairly error prone but this was very vague reference points in my mind as I can’t claim to have followed him much at all & 2) I really didn’t think it was wise to invest in another ex player of EtH. It adds unnecessary pressure and we were literally just burnt with Antony (even when giving him the first season benefit of the doubt). Anyway, I tried to summon some excitement when we signed him because “transformative, ball playing, modern etc)….

Just what the absolute feck was Murtough and Arnolds job, other then bending over to the manager? Why do we even have scouts at the club? It’s just completely mental. Anyway, even considering point “1” above, not even I thought he’d be this much of a disaster. Ramsdale, as an example, was infinitely better last season and arsenal still ended up replacing him. Shows you what a shambles we are.
 
He's a disaster.

Was he making the same mistakes in his previous clubs?

If you look at his feet before shots, he's bouncing so he loses half a second.
 
frostbite said:
Just watch the highlights from last year's FA cup final. De Gea was very bad that day, and many fans said that he cost us the game. That might be true, the problem is that Onana allows such goals every other week! What is terribly bad for De Gea is a regular occurence with Onana!

And it could be worse, the Haaland shot (Gündoğan disallowed goal) and perhaps the De Bruyne shot would also be a goals with Onana. De Gea saved both. On his bad day, De Gea is better than Onana on his average day.

Yes, I agree we should try to find a better goalkeeper than the De Gea in the FA cup final. The problem is that Onana is even worse than that.

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Not sure why de gea gets so much stick for that as if he was a shit keeper. Onana saves neither of those and would probably be excused by some.
Also, I forgot how one sided that final was.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Post match vs Galatasaray | RedCafe.net
I said the very same thing after the Galatasary game, and got pilloried for it
I was told to give him time etc, etc, well five months down the line and he's still making the same cock ups, plus he was making these cock ups at every team he played for prior to coming to us, so it's part of his game, the guy is a total car crash.
I thought Taibi and Barthez were bad, but this bloke is King Calamity.
Watch this and see that he makes the same errors time after time, it's endemic in his game.
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Feck me, that’s a lowlights reel for the ages…and it doesn’t even include all of his United howlers… :(
 
It’s hard to be critical overall when you put it in the context of seeing shots like the Martinelli one. The whole defence basically shepherded him into a decent position for a shot.
 
Based just on 2nd half of the season he's been very good. Shame for his poor start as it was big factor in knocking us out of Europe.
 
It helps when you dont face 20 shots a game. I think our set up last year with that three in the middle in front of mostly our back four we had would have suited onana more so.

Just odd that last year we had ddg and tried so much for him to play out the back. This year we have onana and look to be booting is as much as possible to try win second balls.
 
Well done, Onana! Incredible saves with his left hand! Is he left handed?
 
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