Player power in the sense that, and this is just my theory, that as soon as players feels the intense pressure of failing and underperforming, there is a track record here of knowing that ultimately one person can take the fall for it all. Get the manager sacked, earn a few months of positivity and restart, then let it all happen again when the chips are down. Its simply easier to replace one manager instead of an entire squad.
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- Clean sheets
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Player power in the sense that, and this is just my theory, that as soon as players feels the intense pressure of failing and underperforming, there is a track record here of knowing that ultimately one person can take the fall for it all. Get the manager sacked, earn a few months of positivity and restart, then let it all happen again when the chips are down. Its simply easier to replace one manager instead of an entire squad.
He should have gone with 1 hand for the third, he's not our problem though, our midfield is giving team's gilt edge chances constantly. We look much more composed starting from the keeper now, he shouldn't be getting pelted with high % efforts from breaks as often as he is.
He reminds me a lot of Bravo at City so far in that every shot on target seems to be a goal.
He's not made any glaring errors but with every goal I find myself thinking would another keeper or De Gea have saved that?
He's not made any glaring errors but with every goal I find myself thinking would another keeper or De Gea have saved that?
The best goalkeepers in the world arent the best shotstoppers.
Best goalkeepers in the world contribute so much more and win you games, not just stop you from losing them...
If DDG was all of that, why is he training in his back garden without a club?
I just watched all goals which he conceded this year and his saves. Anyone noticed that he doesn't have any reach when he dives to make a save?
He seems to be 9/10 with his feet and 6/10 with every other aspect of goalkeeping. Most keepers in the Prem would do what he does outside of his passing range.
Best goal keepers in the world are best shot stoppers at first place. But they are also great in other areas which makes them the best overall. Oblak, Neuer and Alisson are all excellent shot stoppers who help their teams with great saves.
Actually stomached watching their goals back (only saw them in the ground yesterday before now) People saying he could have done better with the third are wrong... He should have fecking saved it. He's meant to be a top keeper, and top keepers save those.
Not only do they have those, they also save the second too... harder sure but it wasn't in the corner or anything. You've seen them saved before.
Not only do they have those, they also save the second too... harder sure but it wasn't in the corner or anything. You've seen them saved before.
True, clean sheets are more of a team thing than solely the keeper though.
Isn't that because our defense was much better? I mean, I'm watching the games and although I'm not impressed with his shot stopping ability, I'm also not going to blame him for his shot stopping when my eyes are telling me he's facing chances that should result in a goal. So why would I blame him for us conceding? It's the same thing with giving credit to a goalkeeper for clean sheets when it's a total defensive unit statistic.
And if anything if you were using stats, there is expected goals for keepers.
de Gea last year was - 0.7 for post-shot expected goals + - . Onana thus far is +0.1. That suggests Onana has been facing a lot of really difficult save situations that de Gea did not. Otherwise he would be in the negative because he's not saving shots that should not result in a goal.
The only goal I blame him for yesterday was the 3rd goal.
I have no confidence in him
Seem like a good skill to have as a keeper
Not that it matters, but it doesn't really say that at all. It's such miniscule difference that you cannot really draw any conclusions from it at all. If anything, it tells us both performed about what was expected.
Wolves is doing a lot of heavy lifting there I think... Brighton had and XG of 2, Arsenal 2.5 and Spurs 1.5, so he's been 2 goals down in our losses.
Of course, I believe what you just said too. It's just that since people are using another basic stat that proves to them de Gea was a better shot stopper, I'm using their own logical weapon when there is no statistical proof that shows that. It's all vibes right now. I get people are upset and they want to blame people, but it's sad to see people turn on the keeper from an illegitimate standpoint.
Shot stopping is overrated.Seem like a good skill to have as a keeper
Kidding aside, more and more i see phrases about players which are mind blowing (for me at least). More and more players (who don't do primary job for that position) are getting praised for secondary skills. Gk who can't save a bloody shot is praised for passing, striker who can't score a goal is praised for running, winger who can't assist, cross, score and dribble is praised for "tracking back", midfielders who can't pass the ball are praised for fighting spirit, manager who is not winning games is praised for press conferences etc....
High standards gone down the drain.
Currently looking like a decent outfield player that wants to be in the starting 11 but has decided to go in goals cause there were 10 better outfield players ahead of him.
We're not worse off having him over De Gea, but we're probably not better off either. This is essentially the story of our transfer activity for years. Players in and out but very few have actually improved us.
We're not worse off having him over De Gea, but we're probably not better off either. This is essentially the story of our transfer activity for years. Players in and out but very few have actually improved us.
As I said above, clean sheets belong more to the whole team rather than just the keeper. A keeper can get a clean sheet having faced 0 shots or a game where they save 20.
The only way we could have downgraded shot stopping is if Onana is very poor because De Gea has been average for a few seasons. We needed the ball playing ability upgrade because he'd give the ball away in dangerous positions nearly every game trying to pass it out.
Not impressed with him at all so far. His passing hasn't even been all that great.
DDG conceded more at this point last season than Onana. He also conceded 4 goals vs Brentford off 4 shots on target and 7 goals vs pool from 8 shots on target.
Not to mention it was not his first 5 games for a new club
The goalkeeper is the most prominent player in the team. We can still have DDG back and sack this guy. Ridiculous that he still doesn't have a single assist this season 5 games in.
Who told you this crap? He is in the league’s top 5 for saves made….
Ederson and Ramsdale have only made 5 and 6 saves each. They are bottom of this table, which is what you should expect from a serious top team.
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This is a too small sample to be drawing conclusions from… Rice’s goal was probably under 0,1 xG but it got deflected. The deflection is what beat him not the initial 0,1 shot…
Yeah I already beat myself up over that.Who told you this crap? He is in the league’s top 5 for saves made….
Ederson and Ramsdale have only made 5 and 6 saves each. They are bottom of this table, which is what you should expect from a serious top team.
He stopped it from being 5-1.
Criticising Onana doesn’t mean you were a DDG fan. Personally I wanted de gea out of here years ago but it’s only normal to compare an outgoing starter against his replacement.
There was a lot of discussion about Smalling and Herrera when they left the club too.
I liked what I saw from Onana in preseason and the first two games but from the Forest game he has been very very worrying. Certainly doesn’t seem to be the type of goalie you want in a team that allows many shots.
I’ll give him some more time obviously because the defence is a shit show at the moment and it must not be easy playing in front of them. Saying that his ability to come for crosses and passing seems to have gone to shit lately and when you add his mediocre shot stopping, it doesn’t look great.
Hopefully Varane and Shaw coming back can make us more stable and allow him to get used to playing in a settled side.
There was a lot of discussion about Smalling and Herrera when they left the club too.
I liked what I saw from Onana in preseason and the first two games but from the Forest game he has been very very worrying. Certainly doesn’t seem to be the type of goalie you want in a team that allows many shots.
I’ll give him some more time obviously because the defence is a shit show at the moment and it must not be easy playing in front of them. Saying that his ability to come for crosses and passing seems to have gone to shit lately and when you add his mediocre shot stopping, it doesn’t look great.
Hopefully Varane and Shaw coming back can make us more stable and allow him to get used to playing in a settled side.
Can't blame Onana for the goals. The goals were shot from inside the box. The reaction time to save is similar to a penalty.
Instead, only Jason Steele should be scolded for conceding from outside the box.
Instead, only Jason Steele should be scolded for conceding from outside the box.
Where's timmy heaton?
Totally agree - people are pining for a goalkeeper no other club in world football wants to sign. Standards couldn’t really be lower than that.
Yep, interesting how the golden glove shot stopper hasnt got a club and is training in his back garden. Maybe shot stopping isnt enough...Seem like a good skill to have as a keeper
Silly me thinking shot stopping is important for a goalie, I know better now! You should write to the ones in charge of the golden glove and tell them of the error of their ways. Perhaps they can use a retrospectroscope and retract it in hindsight.
Should of kept de gea he would have saved all 3 of them goals looks like we have signed another barthez
We got a ball playing goalie for a non ballplaying team. Should have gone for KMJ for that money.
Stats show he's second to last on shot stopping so far. I think he's been rather unlucky (gk can only do so much) but the jury is still out.
IIRC last season De Gea let in 2 or 3 against City which were the exact same kind of cutback leading to an uncontested shot from an untracked midfield runner. There's not much the keeper can do about those, unless the ball is kicked right at them it's almost a free goal.
This. It sounds strange but we bought him too soon.
Haven't had one of them for years. You'd think we'd be used to it by now.
I'm not disagreeing that they preferred others, seeing as he's not been signed. But he was definitely in contact with Bayern.
Like McTominay was?
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