[KikiDaKats]

People turned already,so to those who that applies to maybe you can tell us why De Gea still hasn't got a new club yet

I don’t think it’s fair to either goalkeepers. If this continues Onana will struggle to consolidate his standing with us and it opens DDG to unnecessary disrespect.

 

[JB7]

Stop looking for flaws? His flaws are easily identifiable, his shot stopping is nowhere elite level. And his ball playing so far has of course been an upgrade, but hasn't really come to fruition yet.

No need for knee jerk reactions, but de gea saves 2 of those. And Brighton never tend to press goalkeepers, prefering, atleast last season, to flood the middle for the second ball.

I do think he will improve, but we just have to get used to not having a goalkeeper that single handedly wins us matches on a consistent basis.

You can’t say “De Gea saves 2 of those” though. There’s no evidence to back it up. De Gea over the past 5 years was a wildly inconsistent shot stopper. He would save shots you wouldn’t expect him to (half the time after he’d given the ball away himself or refused to claim a ball going 2 yards ahead of him) but then let in shots you’d expect him to save, and I’m not just talking about the glaring errors, I’m talking about shots you look at and think “a top level goalkeeper should be doing better there”. Maybe a couple of the goals we’ve let in fall into that category, but so did an awful lot of goals we conceded last season, and the season before, and frankly in each of the seasons since 17/18. If people were to instead say “De Gea of 2017 saves that”, I may be inclined to agree, but it’s also irrelevant because he doesn’t exist any more.

Also, there was a ball across the six yard line at 1-1 that Onana fell on and collected. That was a common goal against us over the past 5 years because De Gea would have stayed on his line and the striker would have had a free shot from about 5 yards out. So we could say “De Gea would have conceded that”, but I guess it doesn’t work the other way?

De Gea is becoming better and better in certain peoples eyes the longer he goes without a club (and by extension, the longer he goes without playing football), which in itself is comical given that it continues to appear that the only people who think he is of any use in 2023 are Manchester United fans. Surely the penny has to drop at some stage?

 

[Pronewbie]

You can’t say “De Gea saves 2 of those” though. There’s no evidence to back it up. De Gea over the past 5 years was a wildly inconsistent shot stopper. He would save shots you wouldn’t expect him to (half the time after he’d given the ball away himself or refused to claim a ball going 2 yards ahead of him) but then let in shots you’d expect him to save, and I’m not just talking about the glaring errors, I’m talking about shots you look at and think “a top level goalkeeper should be doing better there”. Maybe a couple of the goals we’ve let in fall into that category, but so did an awful lot of goals we conceded last season, and the season before, and frankly in each of the seasons since 17/18. If people were to instead say “De Gea of 2017 saves that”, I may be inclined to agree, but it’s also irrelevant because he doesn’t exist any more.

Also, there was a ball across the six yard line at 1-1 that Onana fell on and collected. That was a common goal against us over the past 5 years because De Gea would have stayed on his line and the striker would have had a free shot from about 5 yards out. So we could say “De Gea would have conceded that”, but I guess it doesn’t work the other way?

De Gea is becoming better and better in certain peoples eyes the longer he goes without a club (and by extension, the longer he goes without playing football), which in itself is comical given that it continues to appear that the only people who think he is of any use in 2023 are Manchester United fans. Surely the penny has to drop at some stage?

Yup some very bizarre takes on here but then again it usually happens when outfield players critique goalkeepers. I actually think he's shown more ability and composure vs Ederson and I reckon he'd be a minor upgrade for City. He's not the problem.

 

[lex talionis]

You would have to be a genuine idiot to think De Gea has not had multiple offers from clubs.

I was mocking the poster I had quoted.

 

[johnnyteutonic]

Think the point was that it wasn't one worth 50m and could've been spent elsewhere

My bad, I think I misread what they said.
Yep, Onana clearly isn't all that.
I think he would look a lot better in a team that was dominant and gets exposed playing for a team like us because his shot-stopping is mediocre.

 

[Kostov]

People turned already,so to those who that applies to maybe you can tell us why De Gea still hasn't got a new club yet if he's so fantastic

Maybe he is waiting for Onana to concede another 10 goals in the next 5 games and we go begging for him to come back or that’s not progressive enough?

 

[sebsheep]

You can’t say “De Gea saves 2 of those” though. There’s no evidence to back it up. De Gea over the past 5 years was a wildly inconsistent shot stopper. He would save shots you wouldn’t expect him to (half the time after he’d given the ball away himself or refused to claim a ball going 2 yards ahead of him) but then let in shots you’d expect him to save, and I’m not just talking about the glaring errors, I’m talking about shots you look at and think “a top level goalkeeper should be doing better there”. Maybe a couple of the goals we’ve let in fall into that category, but so did an awful lot of goals we conceded last season, and the season before, and frankly in each of the seasons since 17/18. If people were to instead say “De Gea of 2017 saves that”, I may be inclined to agree, but it’s also irrelevant because he doesn’t exist any more.

Also, there was a ball across the six yard line at 1-1 that Onana fell on and collected. That was a common goal against us over the past 5 years because De Gea would have stayed on his line and the striker would have had a free shot from about 5 yards out. So we could say “De Gea would have conceded that”, but I guess it doesn’t work the other way?

De Gea is becoming better and better in certain peoples eyes the longer he goes without a club (and by extension, the longer he goes without playing football), which in itself is comical given that it continues to appear that the only people who think he is of any use in 2023 are Manchester United fans. Surely the penny has to drop at some stage?

You'd almost start to imagine that De Gea didn't make a series of errors that ended up costing us a CL place.
He also conceded from pretty much every shot on target against Liverpool in the thrashing they gave us last season.
In recent years he's been an average shot stopper with awful passing ability. I don't see how we'd suddenly just not concede any of the goals we have so far this season with him in goal.
Onana could definitely improve in his shot stopping, though the 3rd goal was the only one I think he really could have saved.

 

[RedRonaldo]

You'd almost start to imagine that De Gea didn't make a series of errors that ended up costing us a CL place.
He also conceded from pretty much every shot on target against Liverpool in the thrashing they gave us last season.
In recent years he's been an average shot stopper with awful passing ability. I don't see how we'd suddenly just not concede any of the goals we have so far this season with him in goal.
Onana could definitely improve in his shot stopping, though the 3rd goal was the only one I think he really could have saved.

Didn't De Gea hs the most clean sheet in PL last season though? I get that we need to move on to sweeper type of GK in order to improve our overall play from the back, and Onana could be the one who help us move forward. But shot saving wise, there's simply no match between De Gea and Onana.

 

[Mercurial]

His reach always seem to be a bit too low. Seem like his big disadvantage. Some of the goals he concedes are annoyingly "ordinary". Kinda makes it pointless to have awesome distro in a team that can't keep the ball and with this leaky stopping style we have disaster.

 

[NotChatGPT]

Ridiculous scapegoating…. Our players have (collectively) produced some abysmal defensive performances since the beginning… He is being asked to make too many saves every game. This is new for him. Keepers of top clubs aren’t supposed to face so many goal chances.

Wasn’t part of the story that a new, more commanding and proactive goalkeeper would also improve our overall defending, so that the opposition would have less clear cut chances. Thus reducing the amount of situations that would usually highlight De Geas main strengths?

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

What in gods green earth are you fecking talking about?

His wife has massive jugs.

 

[Lyng]

Onana has been good, and better than De Gea. But if anything these matches have proved that goalkeeper was NOT our biggest issue.

 

[izec]

Onana has been good, and better than De Gea. But if anything these matches have proved that goalkeeper was NOT our biggest issue.

Yeah, it is the manager and the DoF

 

[M Bison]

DDG's status as a Utd legend is even higher for me now, not saying Onana is bad (jury still out) but the fact DDG conceded so few and his save ratio was so high was a huge plus for us that we probably didnt realise.

 

[fallengt]

Not the reason we lost but damn Onana does look like an average goal keeper bar passing.
Definitely didn't need to waste 50mil on a GK

 

[Pickle85]

Onana has been good, and better than De Gea. But if anything these matches have proved that goalkeeper was NOT our biggest issue.

Rubbish. Whatever you think about whether or not ddg should still be here (I think it was time to move on) there's absolutely nothing to suggest that Onana has been better than DDG so far. He's conceded 7 goals out of 10 shots on target (or is it 8 out of 11?)

 

[Cantonalegod]

I’m not overly happy with his save against Fati

Me neither, he was glued to the spot, and fortunate to guess which way the ball was going to be played.

He doesn't seem to advance towards attackers in one on one situations to close the angle.

As it turned out it was an excellent save!

By the way, I realise you were probably being sarcastic

 

[Borys]

I think he has been a bit unlucky so far, but he is probably an average shot stopper at best. It's quite clear he moves very slow, looks quite heavy for a GK to be honest.

He isn't making any mistakes, if that makes sense. We're losing the game against Brighton anyway so there's that.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

DDG's status as a Utd legend is even higher for me now, not saying Onana is bad (jury still out) but the fact DDG conceded so few and his save ratio was so high was a huge plus for us that we probably didnt realise.

It wasn’t. Onana’s was better last season.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Didn't De Gea hs the most clean sheet in PL last season though? I get that we need to move on to sweeper type of GK in order to improve our overall play from the back, and Onana could be the one who help us move forward. But shot saving wise, there's simply no match between De Gea and Onana.

Kind of true. Onana saved a higher % of shots last season than De Gea did. We can’t compare this season because there apparently isn’t a club in the world who has any interest in signing De Gea on a free. Which says it all really.

 

[Pickle85]

Kind of true. Onana saved a higher % of shots last season than De Gea did. We can’t compare this season because there apparently isn’t a club in the world who has any interest in signing De Gea on a free. Which says it all really.

Do you really believe this or are you exaggerating for effect? You've been very vocal in your opinion of DDG but using Onana's shot saving percentage in a season where he played in a much more dominant team for the league, in a league that's FAR weaker is disingenuous at best.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Do you really believe this or are you exaggerating for effect? You've been very vocal in your opinion of DDG but using Onana's shot saving percentage in a season where he played in a much more dominant team for the league, in a league that's FAR weaker is disingenuous at best.

I mean, it’s fact? Certainly not interested enough to go that extra yard and actually sign him.

 

[Pickle85]

I mean, it’s fact? Certainly not interested enough to go that extra yard and actually sign him.

Well, it's not, is it? You're oversimplifying rather, don't you think? Could it be that his wage demands are too high for clubs? Or maybe that the standard of club interested doesn't meet his expectations. But saying that 'there apparently isn’t a club in the world who has any interest in signing De Gea on a free' is nonsense.

 

[erikcred]

The only memorable thing he's done so far is shouting at an easy scapegoat in Maguire in a friendly, becoming a hero to our fanbase instantly.

 

[M Bison]

It wasn’t. Onana’s was better last season.

Cant be bothered looking for it, fed up enough with it. He got golden glove though, and Onana has conceded 7 from 10 shots faced i read somewhere, stat could wrong im sure but he hardly looks unbeatable.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Well, it's not, is it? You're oversimplifying rather, don't you think? Could it be that his wage demands are too high for clubs? Or maybe that the standard of club interested doesn't meet his expectations. But saying that 'there apparently isn’t a club in the world who has any interest in signing De Gea on a free' is nonsense.

Ok, I exaggerated for effect. Mea culpa. Although the point stands. The fact that a goalkeeper who is allegedly good enough to play for Manchester United and is available on a free has not been signed by anyone speaks volumes. Likewise his status with the Spanish national team over the last few years. He just isn’t a top goalkeeper any more.

Obviously, it remains to be seen if Onana is a top goalkeeper but he seems to have been excellent for Inter last year and deserves the same patience we show any new signing, instead of being jumped on by butt-hurt fans who are desperate to be proved right after defending DDG long past the point it was obvious he was a busted flush.

 

[Pickle85]

Ok, I exaggerated for effect. Mea culpa. Although the point stands. The fact that a goalkeeper who is allegedly good enough to play for Manchester United and is available on a free has not been signed by anyone speaks volumes. Likewise his status with the Spanish national team over the last few years. He just isn’t a top goalkeeper any more.

Obviously, it remains to be seen if Onana is a top goalkeeper but he seems to have been excellent for Inter last year and deserves the same patience we show any new signing, instead of being jumped on by butt-hurt fans who are desperate to be proved right after defending DDG long past the point it was obvious he was a busted flush.

I agree that DDG isn't a top goalkeeper any more but think he deserves better from our fans than that sort of casual dismissal to be honest. Also, you talk about butt hurt DDG fans but you're just the other end of the spectrum - you've been banging on about DDG just as much as those defending him.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I agree that DDG isn't a top goalkeeper any more but think he deserves better from our fans than that sort of casual dismissal to be honest. Also, you talk about butt hurt DDG fans but you're just the other end of the spectrum - you've been banging on about DDG just as much as those defending him.

I have. But I believe that criticism was valid because it was based on a huge amount of accumulated evidence. Unlike the criticism of Onana in this thread. And that’s my main point here. Knee jerk attacks based almost entirely on preconceptions and bias are everything that is bad about discussing football on redcafe.

 

[jesperjaap]

It isnt for me about "would DeGea have saved that" as he was makign lots of mistakes the end of last season.

I was always saying careful what you wish for as all the tactical experts on ere were talking about DeGeas weakness with his feet and how much we would improve with a ball playing keeper.

It was always for me are there any available keepers who can handle the burden of being our number one as it is such a pressure. It was always a ball playing keeper may improve the flow at the back but it doesnt improve the flow further forward. The most mportant thing though wasnt all this modern tatics, it was are any of these keepers great at commanding there area and making saves, the main part of a goalkeeper.

Far too early to judge, but Onana hasnt made many saves, not of note anyway and we are already overly reliant on using his feet passing backwars and slowign down any tempo.

There is a concern already for me that it could be careful what you wish for

 

[Pickle85]

I have. But I believe that criticism was valid because it was based on a huge amount of accumulated evidence. Unlike the criticism of Onana in this thread. And that’s my main point here. Knee jerk attacks based almost entirely on preconceptions and bias are everything that is bad about discussing football on redcafe.

I take your point but we all think our various criticisms are valid! I agree that it's far too early to write him off at this point but he's also not immune from criticism. He's not been impressive so far...hopefully that changes as he seems like a good lad and he is great with the ball at his feet.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I take your point but we all think our various criticisms are valid! I agree that it's far too early to write him off at this point but he's also not immune from criticism. He's not been impressive so far...hopefully that changes as he seems like a good lad and he is great with the ball at his feet.

I actually agree with this! I’ve been a bit disappointed too. But early days. I just want to see him play a few games with a settled back four. Is that too much to ask?! It’s tough playing in goals at a new team when you’re having to introduce yourself to new defenders in every game you play.

 

[Cassidy]

We have toxic fans, 5 games in and no settled back 4

 

[Pickle85]

I actually agree with this! I’ve been a bit disappointed too. But early days. I just want to see him play a few games with a settled back four. Is that too much to ask?! It’s tough playing in goals at a new team when you’re having to introduce yourself to new defenders in every game you play.

Definitely - disastrous luck for us with injuries and it must be really tough coming into such an unsettled unit. Certainly wouldn't be the first keeper to take a little while to settle in. Also, I just brought him into my fantasy team so I'm likely at least 75% to blame for his struggles!

 

[Lay]

Me neither, he was glued to the spot, and fortunate to guess which way the ball was going to be played.

He doesn't seem to advance towards attackers in one on one situations to close the angle.

As it turned out it was an excellent save!

By the way, I realise you were probably being sarcastic

Nah not being sarcastic. I thought his positioning was strange, he didn’t try to close down the attacker at all. Just stayed rooted to the spot.

Obviously it worked out but I thought it was bizarre. Any other time and I think it’s an easy goal.

 

[Rake]

Rubbish. Whatever you think about whether or not ddg should still be here (I think it was time to move on) there's absolutely nothing to suggest that Onana has been better than DDG so far. He's conceded 7 goals out of 10 shots on target (or is it 8 out of 11?)

What are you on about? Do some of you even think what they are typing or bother to check facts that are obviously bullshit? He made 6 saves vs Wolves alone.

Shots against - 29
Saves - 20
64% saved shots

Last year DDG ended with 70% saves but the important thing is that he faced 2 shots less per game on average (at least so far).

Don't get me wrong, he has conceded soft goals and needs to improve, but I think that the manager really crippled his proactiveness after few games. He is glued to his line, stopped trying to close down attacker and that is why it seems he is always just a blip on the goal line. We are trying to have a DDG clone with better passing, which he is not.

 

[Pickle85]

What are you on about? Do some of you even think what they are typing or bother to check facts that are obviously bullshit? He made 6 saves vs Wolves alone.

Shots against - 29
Saves - 20
64% saved shots

Last year DDG ended with 70% save percentage but the important thing is that he faced 2 shots less per game on average (at least so far).

Don't get me wrong, he has conceded soft goals and needs to improve, but I think that the manager really crippled his proactiveness after few games. He is glued to his line, stopped trying to close down attacker and that is why it seems he is always just a blip on the goal line. We are trying to have a DDG clone with better passing, which he is not.

That's embarrassing, fooled by Twitter nonsense. It did seem an insane stat. Critical thinking not switched on yet today for me, I think!

 

[Litch]

Its like Moyes following Fergie (impossible task), the knives were being sharpened as the vultures were circling before he got one leg in the utd tracksuit bottoms.

The problem with utd signings at the moment is the very thing we bring them in for, we seems to train out of them at Carrington. You end up forgetting why they were signed and left comparing to the person they replaced.

He wasnt brought in as purely a shot stopper, we already had one of those which was the only thing left he could do....

 

[SER19]

Would you have trusted our current structure to use the money correctly? We went and got mount who I honestly don't see as a fix. If anything based on pre season (albeit a game) I think we're missing mainoo more than mount in terms of what we really need for our midfield.


Not only that but a few situations where he's diffused an attack by diving out to prevent a shot. He did the same Vs wolves.

It's just annoying he's not sweeping as much as he was during pre season and getting a bit more involved. Maybe that's because we don't have varane, Shaw and mainoo ? Maybe we will see his full strengths when we have a better consistent spine which is what Eth wants?

I think that's a certainty. If I had to list all of our problems now, goalkeeper would be near the bottom. I can't understand how we look so absolutely without shape or system. We look as disjointed as under any previous manager, but we know that ten hag is able to coach a team and I also trust ten hag hugely. Ive never been more sure that there is just a deep set cultural rot all over the club. I'd just keep backing ten hag for now and hope player power doesnt get him sacked.

 

[Litch]

I think that's a certainty. If I had to list all of our problems now, goalkeeper would be near the bottom. I can't understand how we look so absolutely without shape or system. We look as disjointed as under any previous manager, but we know that ten hag is able to coach a team and I also trust ten hag hugely. Ive never been more sure that there is just a deep set cultural rot all over the club. I'd just keep backing ten hag for now and hope player power doesnt get him sacked.

Its an aside but what player power? Which players are left with any? Look how many are his signings and the ones left dont come across as being a problem aside from Harry and Sancho? One who is on the bench, the other training with the kids?

 

[Andycoleno9]

You'd almost start to imagine that De Gea didn't make a series of errors that ended up costing us a CL place.
He also conceded from pretty much every shot on target against Liverpool in the thrashing they gave us last season.
In recent years he's been an average shot stopper with awful passing ability. I don't see how we'd suddenly just not concede any of the goals we have so far this season with him in goal.
Onana could definitely improve in his shot stopping, though the 3rd goal was the only one I think he really could have saved.

De Gea had some big blunders but despite of that he finished as golden glove last year.
With Onana we will not have many clean sheets. We hugely downgraded shot stopping ability for ball playing ability.