Ahh so as expected this thread is filled with De Gea fans claiming he would have saved X, and done better with Y. Funny how those same posters last season were saying "You'll be the first to jump on the new keeper". How painfully transparent some of you fellas are. Onana has done nothing wrong and is clearly looking like an excellent addition. He's come into an absolute shit show where all of our backline is either injured or out of form. Use your bloody heads for once to make this forum less tedious for the sensible people on here.
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Except if you stop and use your brain for 30 seconds you'd know football really doesn't work like that and there are far too many variables to compare directly in that way.
17 clean sheets. Let's see how many Onana gets. So far, it's 10 goals in 5 games.
17 clean sheets nothing to do with the defence I guess
No one claimed otherwise. All the players are underperforming, which has nothing to do with ETH's logic of buying a keeper, which was my previous point.
Do you remember how many we conceded last season in the first 5 games?
So are you saying we should have kept ddg? Because you realise our options were probably Renew DdG (which as @Chief123 showed you were happy with the decision we took) or buy a new keeper since we had no first choice keeper (and our second was on the verge of being sold)
So with that in mind we basically spent 44m on him + 4m (let's say 50 altogether). on second choice whilst getting 20m back from henderson.
So 30m plus Onana wages are less than Henderson our second choice was getting.
We have played different teams, we have different players and have more injuries in our defence and midfield.
And we've only played five games
So I ask you do you think we would have been better off keeping ddg? And using the money 44+20 on something else? Because I'm certain if we had that money we end up buying ambrabat instead of loaning him and possibly getting pavard ?
I was the biggest de gea fan going. I am not going to jump on band wagon of saying told you so. Onana is in a new league he has had his defence Chop and changed since he has started.
needs a chance. De gea took a long time to settle in only fair onana does too
needs a chance. De gea took a long time to settle in only fair onana does too
I don't think so, no. But Varane will be back soon, so we can compare. Its just seems like he had to bring in another one of his Ajax players. I don't think a goalie was a priority for us this summer. 50m could have been spent on other areas.
Good man! More of this sense please.
Why don’t you compare with the first 5 games last season. Onana by the way is a Balon D’or nominee for his performances last season and in the running for FIFA best keeper off his performances last season
I guess we should have kept DDG though
Your previous pointwas that Onana hasn't been an improvement on somebody that let the ball squirm under his body a few times and somebody who conceded seven and six goals.
Or do we only give the previous keeper credit credit for clean sheets and forget the rest ?
Go on then, you are obviously dying to do so, I can't remember.
Nope you go ahead.
Sensible. There's a possibility that Onana flops as there is with any new player. But comparing conditions last season to this isn't the way.
Did you want ddg to stay?
You can tell there are some posters who are absolutely frothing at the mouth for Onana to fail just so they can justify their defence of De Gea.
I would say if they’re that big a fans of De Gea they should go and watch him for his new club but errrrrm errrrrrr
I would say if they’re that big a fans of De Gea they should go and watch him for his new club but errrrrm errrrrrr
You can tell there are some posters who are absolutely frothing at the mouth for Onana to fail just so they can justify their defence of De Gea.
I would say if they’re that big a fans of De Gea they should go and watch him for his new club but errrrrm errrrrrr
Pretty much. So much for fans, chomping at the bit to have a go at a new keeper after 5 games.
I'm not a Dea Gea anything, I don't even remember posting about him before. I'm saying I don't think a goalie was a priority. We had other, more serious problems to fix.
Jesus Christ we were screaming out for a fecking goalkeeper.
Too early to come to any conclusions about Onana's United career but so far for me he has performed below my expectations.
His passing has not been that good. He's been calm and that has made passing at the back easier but has that even improved us? We don't look capable of building on those passes.
His shot stopping has been below par.
He's not been this goalkeeper that I was led to believe that would sweep. In fact he's every bit as much on the line, be it during play or set pieces, as De Gea was.
Brighton have two different goalkeepers that don't look any worse than Onana and the pair of them cost half his fee and probably less than half his wages. Are they better? Probably not but at least they've been performing better.
De Gea got a lot of criticism throughout the years but he was also part of a lot of bad teams and very often did he step up and outperform his team mates. I don't expect any less from his replacement.
His passing has not been that good. He's been calm and that has made passing at the back easier but has that even improved us? We don't look capable of building on those passes.
His shot stopping has been below par.
He's not been this goalkeeper that I was led to believe that would sweep. In fact he's every bit as much on the line, be it during play or set pieces, as De Gea was.
Brighton have two different goalkeepers that don't look any worse than Onana and the pair of them cost half his fee and probably less than half his wages. Are they better? Probably not but at least they've been performing better.
De Gea got a lot of criticism throughout the years but he was also part of a lot of bad teams and very often did he step up and outperform his team mates. I don't expect any less from his replacement.
His passing has not been that good? I have read it all now
So you want him to go into midfield and make line breaking passes for our midfielders now?
So are you saying we should have kept ddg? Because you realise our options were probably Renew DdG (which as @Chief123 showed you were happy with the decision we took) or buy a new keeper since we had no first choice keeper (and our second was on the verge of being sold)
So with that in mind we basically spent 44m on him + 4m (let's say 50 altogether). on second choice whilst getting 20m back from henderson.
So 30m plus Onana wages are less than Henderson our second choice was getting.
We have played different teams, we have different players and have more injuries in our defence and midfield.
And we've only played five games
So I ask you do you think we would have been better off keeping ddg? And using the money 44+20 on something else? Because I'm certain if we had that money we end up buying ambrabat instead of loaning him and possibly getting pavard ?
I think De Gea had to go because he was on the wrong side of 30 and his level of play was not matching his astronomical wages. We did not however have to spend 44m on a new keeper just because he's the latest in a string of players ETH has bought because he once knew them in Holland. Most decent keepers would've done just as well for 70% lesser transfer fees.
Case in point - Vicario at Spurs - cost 17m, came from Italy just like Onana, has conceded half as many goals. To reiterate once more, this is nothing to do with Onana the player - he's a perfectly good keeper. It has everything to do with ETH's decision making.
Not as much as we were screaming out for a holding midfielder, defender, and a striker.
I don't look at balls squirming through legs as a meaningful metric. I look at how many goals conceded and what our table position is (the latter being directly informed by the former).
Yeah that’s just ridiculous. Nobody was saying we needed a third or fourth choice centre back more than a goalkeeper. And getting a goalkeeper didn’t stop us getting a new holding midfielder or striker.
He'll be fine. He's a quality goalkeeper. Has been unfortunate in that our team has defended like shit and keeps gifting massive chances every game with loads of time for opposition to pick their spot.
We signed a striker and a holding mid. And we did not need a CB more than a keeper thats absurd.
He’ll be fine, we’ve just grown accustomed to our goalkeeper needing to be superman and pull off spectacular saves because everyone infront of him has parted like the Red Sea, I think Ten Hag was expecting us to have some kind of control over a game or two by now.. and that’s when he’ll come good, he’s a system player in the wrong system atm
Arabat and Rasmus. You pleased?
Absurd you say? With Varane injured, be honest,
DDG Kim Martinez
or
Onana Lindelof Martinez
Yes it did. We were scrounging around for the cheapest midfielder available.
Can’t believe nobody has even tried to sign De Gea. Wonder what it is people like you know that the decision makers at every club in the world don’t.
We literally signed the midfielder we had been chasing and strongly linked with for the whole summer.
You've missed the chat. I was saying we should have signed a holding midfielder instead of a goalie, as a priority.
I’m not pleased with the striker and DM signings no. Think we could have signed better if we did not sign Mount.
Anyone can get injured. I would rather
Onana Varane Martinez
than
DDG Varane Martinez.
The club should have signed a CB but we absolutely needed to sell one first. We have 4 cbs on the books
I’m not overly happy with his save against Fati
Could have saved the 3rd goal.
He's been hung out to dry by our defending though. Players are getting clean shots in the box consistently.
He's been hung out to dry by our defending though. Players are getting clean shots in the box consistently.
Cant argue that. Its a good point.
That's not what I asked. But at least we can agree on something (DM and striker)
I don't think Kim would have come to us no matter what we did. He chose Bayern and in fairness I would too.
But ddg contract ran out. So we either renew or replace. If we dont renew we don't have a keeper except Heaton, so a keeper is number one priority as it's a specialised position.
So again, did you want ddg to stay?
I thought this was about whether Onana has improved on shot stopping compared to ddg?
Something like that makes a whole lot more sense when you're comparing keeper to keeper than out of context comparison of goals conceded with another keeper in the league.
How many mistakes has Onana made? Also from the looks of it you're already calling Vicario a better value for money signing than Onana ?
So all in hindsight (after five games) you're saying we should have replaced ddg and Henderson with Vicario then used the 40m on an outfield player which probably would have been amrabat on a permanent?
You should have been saying we should have signed a holding mid over an attacking mid as a priorit
If you want an answer I would rather we played with Onana than DDG in your scenarios especially when it would be for limited games.
In my opinion DDG over a season would cost us more than Lindelof over a few games.
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