Can we get atleast one signing right? He is letting in easily saveable goals now
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Doubts over the wisdom of spending 40m on this keeper are not unwarranted. Still, there is a decent keeper in him somewhere and I’m confident we’ll see that decent keeper next season.
Made saves like Claudio Bravo today. I.e. Zero!
You're right and I get what you mean by changing goal posts.
Saying that I would still maintain that him being called a coward isnt disrespectful if it can be backed up.
I'd certainly take your point on it though
Except his save from fati? Or the other one with his feet? Brighton had 8 on target and scored 3. That's five he kept out?
Shot stopper. And in 2017.
Unless you actually thought he was an amazing keeper last season?
And if you're saying Onana is nowhere near as good, I agree... if you're talking about about six years ago.
But, but, but, he's apparently good with the ball at his feet...that's what all the best clubs do, so we'll buy a cut price crap version of that. Shot stopping??!! What is this, 2005?!
Which ones were easily saveable?
You watched the whole game again and still couldn't see he should have done better for the 3rd?
Third one is easily savable, but he's wrongly positioned. (way too close to the post). With the previous GK that wouldn't even have been a remarkable save.
Goals is plural so I’m asking which ones you think were easily savable.
I think the one today he should save.
De Gea saves a few of those today. The passing also not groundbreaking. His number one job is goalkeeping… get De Gea back.
Oh it would have been. Every stop he made was remarkable, or at least that was how he made it look. We’ve all forgotten that De Gea let countless simple shots in too.
Ridiculous scapegoating…. Our players have (collectively) produced some abysmal defensive performances since the beginning… He is being asked to make too many saves every game. This is new for him. Keepers of top clubs aren’t supposed to face so many goal chances.
Agreed. De Gea isn't coming back but it would be hard to make the case that we have improved at keeper so far after having spent £44m.
Ddg conceded goals against brentford and west ham where it squirmed under him, he conceded a goal v everton whilst hugging the post. And also had that hattrick of errors v Sevilla. And then there's the fa cup final as well.
Not too mention he conceded 6 from 10 shots on target v city and 7 from 8 on target Liverpool
Do you really think we havent improved after seeing onana for five games?
Of course it looks like that, when we play like we play at the moment. We don't have enough control of the game and are leaking chances. Surely a great reactive shotstopper like de Gea is of greater use in that case. But I guess we all agree that this is not the way we want to play.
Good pointRidiculous scapegoating…. Our players have (collectively) produced some abysmal defensive performances since the beginning… He is being asked to make too many saves every game. This is new for him. Keepers of top clubs aren’t supposed to face so many goal chances.
Added to the fact that since spurs (second game) he hasn't had the same back four in front of him (with quite a few games where it's changed during the game)
I'm 100% our shot stopping hasn't improved one bit. Nothing against Onana of course since ultimately, it was ETH's decision to reduce our transfer budget by 44m for the purpose of swapping keepers.
People would’ve laughed you out of the De Gea thread last season for putting any criticism on him for goals 2 & 3 today, saying it’s not the goalkeepers error and more about those in front of him. This kind of turnaround was always going to happen towards Onana, it’s ridiculous.
They’re the ones who are right. Not literally everyone football club in the world who have looked at De Gea as an option in the summer and thought “nah”.
I haven't seen the ball squirm under Onana yet so it's defo been an improvement so far.
Or he lets a few squirm under his body, like he was regularly doing for the past 5 years. Or he just stands there and watches them fly into the net. See the FA cup final.
There seems to be this collective amnesia with regards to De Gea and his ability where posters are seemingly still stuck in 2017. Just saying ‘De Gea would have saved that’ when De Gea himself has spent the last 4/5 years not saving that is absolutely ridiculous.
The whole thing is ridiculous
You have to take Onana out the equation first of all, and then look at ddg in isolation. First of all if he was at any other team we would be making fun of them and laughing at any links. We also wouldnt even want him on a free.
Whether Onana is the answer long term ,we will see. But for people to make a decision five games in is ridiculous. If he was making blunders I would actually understand it. But added to the fact that if you consider who our best back four is (arguably awb, varane,Martinez,Shaw) then see how many games (or minutes) they've had together, it paints a picture.
Then the protection ahead.
Last season once we got Eriksen casemiro and Bruno as our three we were pretty good and consistent and it helped the team and defensive structure.
Since we are not conceding goals where the ball is squirming under the keeper, then the shot stopping has improved
It would improve if he we weren't conceding goals. Its not like De Gea had better defenders to work with either.
He hasn't been that bad but considering how strapped for cash we are, it's still weird paying 50m for a goalkeeper who isn't great at shot stopping. It appears he saves shots that go straight at him but that's it. No major blunders but no great saves either. His passing from the back has hardly been this huge transformation that it was supposed to be. I remember people on here saying it would result in 10%+ more posession and more goals. Basically zero effect on out attacking play so far.
That's not really a useful metric and certainly not one worth justifying a 44m buy that prevented us from strengthening elsewhere. Not Onana's problem of course, just as it isn't Mount's. These are decisions ETH has made and when you start the year with six points in five fixtures, questions will be asked all around.
Made a brilliant save from Fati that definitely wasn’t straight at him.
Eh?
Ridiculous scapegoating…. Our players have (collectively) produced some abysmal defensive performances since the beginning… He is being asked to make too many saves every game. This is new for him. Keepers of top clubs aren’t supposed to face so many goal chances.
These aren’t speculative long range shots either. Most of his saves have been from shots inside our box.
Shaw, Varane and last season Martinez are better defenders than Lindelof, current season Martinez and whoever plays left back.
Add last season Casemiro instead of current season Casemiro and you could say that DDG had better defenders to work with.
Thought his fati save was great, no?
What? The whole point is about improvement
You want us to go the whole season conceding 0 goals? The whole point sounds ridiculous. If we were conceding the same types of goals, then yes, there's no improvement. It might still happen this season,but after a five game sample,
We can 109% say there is an improvement
I'm wondering if last season we had Evans and Maguire end a game as CBs, or Bruno and lindelof?
Ok glad I'm not the only one a little baffled by that comment
Think he can save the 3rd goal.
However my major gripe with him to be honest is his medium to long range kicking hasn't been particularly good across the 5 games.
He's a massive improvement on De Gea on the short range passes. But anything that has to go longer hasn't been very accurate, often straight to the opposition. If he was finding our players in a 50/50 duel and we were just losing out, fair enough, not the keeper's problem. But too many longer passes where there's not a United player in sight.
However my major gripe with him to be honest is his medium to long range kicking hasn't been particularly good across the 5 games.
He's a massive improvement on De Gea on the short range passes. But anything that has to go longer hasn't been very accurate, often straight to the opposition. If he was finding our players in a 50/50 duel and we were just losing out, fair enough, not the keeper's problem. But too many longer passes where there's not a United player in sight.
The point of spending 44m for an new keeper is to see dramatic improvement. No objective person can see we have seen that demonstrated so far. Again, this is not to criticize Onana, its to criticize the logic of squandering our transfer budget on buying a keeper at such a price when we desperately need a proven, clinical #9 to improve on our pathetic 58 league goals last year.
Basically we should only have signed a new goalkeeper if it guaranteed a clean sheet in every game. If not we should have kept the goalkeeper that performed at such a high level that no club in the world will touch him with a barge-pole.
Martinez was our best defender and missed quite a few games last year.
Spending all that money on a new goalie this season shouldn't have been a priority. Looks like ETH just wanted to bring in another one of his Alax pals, he wanted Jurrien Timber, got Lisandro Martinez, obsessed with Frenkie de Jong, got Christian Eriksen got Antony, and now Onana
So we have forgotten the goal keeper cost us Europa League and FA cup last season. And on 2 previous seasons UCL qualification.
We are also forgetting that the club were supposed to sell the likes of Maguire, Van De Beek and McTominay to provide funds to sign better players.
We absolutely needed a new keeper. Maybe Onana was not the right choice time will tell. However I am willing to bet if DDG were here now we’ll all be lamenting the club for keeping him and not getting a keeper in
To clarify, we have conceded more goals so far this year than at this time last season. We started last season poorly and have started this one even worse. Therefore its hard to make an objective case we spent wisely and at the right positions this summer, given we're significantly worse off than in year one.
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