I dont necessarily want him to leave, I just think it wouldn't be that difficult to replace him.
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I dont necessarily want him to leave, I just think it wouldn't be that difficult to replace him.
Fair enough. I don't think it would be as easy as you think. Plus the money we would be spending on said player could be invested in other areas and Herrera could recreate last season's form.
I think if Herrera plays next to Pogba we would see similar form to last year. Obviously Matic plays there now so it's difficult.
I agree Pogba Matic should be first choice but with so many games and injuries why not keep Herrera as well?
Yeah we should keep him, but it depends on what he wants as well. He may want to actually leave.
I actually think it would be difficult to replace him, not because he is a special player, but because a replacement will cost a decent amount of money.
For example, Saul Niguez and Koke would be good replacements for Hererra, but they are on long contracts and would want first team football.
I think Herrera is happy being a squad player, and its difficult to get that level of squad player.
...not on the pitch thoughI will miss him so much
As expected, James Ducker says the club will invoke options to extend the contracts of Juan Mata, Ander Herrera, Ashley Young and Daley Blind until the end of next season.
I dont think we will need a player of that level to replace him.
Would sell Herrera and bring in Barkley on a free!!!
Ok then. Any particular reason?
Sounds like an unnecessary gamble.
We bought the following world class players in the past 3 years - Falcao, AdM, Zlatan, Pogba.
Of these, the first two were bought when LvG was in charge. So of course he made them look average. The other 2 have been very good for us. Pogba is a bit rough around the edges, but the fact we are missing him now shows how well he has been playing.
We bought Martial, who is potential and is currently doing ok.
We bought a whole lot of average to rubbish players like Fellaini, Herrera, Shaw, Darmian, Depay, Blind, Schweinsteiger (old), Schneiderlin, etc. That, coupled with the likes of Young and Lingard who were already with us. Expecting these players to "get into rhythm" or calling them great is pretty much an overestimation of their abilities.
Let's sell Pogba too.
Love how some would sell Ander who gives his all but want someone back who thinks it ok to attempt to kick a fan in the head because he makes them laugh with his videos and was a busted flush when we sold him.
By that logic, we'd have to sell everyone that was in the team last year.
He seems very determined to get the point across that we finished 6th. That towards the end of the season we stopped playing as we were in a EL final as well and lost our main striker to a cruciate injury. Obviously that was Ander's fault as well.
It's poor logic regardless of where we finished. Your buying/selling decisions cannot be made based on where the club finished in the league because that'd apply to every single player regardless of how they actually performed. Just makes 0 sense.
Said nobody sane ever....
I think maybe at one time he believed what he said but it seems like his spark and passion have gone a little this season.
Based on his Instagram he seems to head back to Spain any chance he gets so it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s homesick, or maybe two years of Van Gaal and Mourinho have worn him down a bit.
Right player wrong time I think.
It has to come into consideration. We finished 6th for a reason.
You can't completely detach league position from the players ability.
I always used to say to a Spurs fan mate of mine in the early 90's......."If so many of your players are all that how come you are crap"
Yeah true.
It's tough with players like Herrera, Valencia and Mata. Likeable guys with great attitudes but decisions have to be made on their role or future at the club.
Having said that as backups I think they'e fine.
I am beginning to wonder like you if since his little girl was born the pull of home has got greater. I know the other week he was here but his girlfriend and little girl were still in Spain. It is difficult. Maybe grandparents are pulling them back to Spain.
To judge the overall quality of the squad, not individuals. De Gea also finished 6th, so did Pogba.
Think his performance were well over exaggerated last season. A decent player but nothing better in my opinion. We have had similar players (levels) mostly squad players in the past (Butt, Fortune, P Nev) they are essential for a winning club. Will selling Herrera and replacing him with Barkley make that much difference? No I’m my opinion both are a similar level but Barkley possibly is a better fit with Matic and Pogba than Herrera is. Barkley is also a better passer so he would be a better replacement than Matic and Pogba when they are out injured than Herrera would be as his passing (limited) is highlighted how poor it can be.
How do you change the overall quality of the squad then? You do so by selling and buying individuals.
Obviously finishing 6th doesn't mean every player isn't good enough but you must agree it means some of them aren't?
Absolutely. See the trail of posts. My argument isn't against whether or not Herrera should be sold. It's a matter of opinion and anyone who reasons why he should be sold is absolutely entitled to it. My beef is with the stupid logic used which simply states "we finished 6th" as the reason why he should be sold. You could finish 1st and still have players who haven't cut it and need to be improved upon and you could finish 10th and still have players who did well and don't need to be fecked off.
I really like Herrera, but I don't think he's up to scratch to be a starting player at United. One of our main issues in this entire squad is players blowing hot and cold and Herrera is one of the main culprits for me.
True, you can't single out one player because of league position. That is silly.
I was responding more to your point about league position having no bearing on sales and buys. Finishing 6th should ring alarm bells and almost every player should be questioned. It means at least some of them should be replaced.
The only guy who should escape last season's poor finish is De Gea and the younger lads. Everybody else should be questioned.
So for instance is Herrera an able deputy for Pogba. That should have really been thought through in the summer given last year's performances.
Good player with a cracking attitude, but I don't think he is half as effective on the field as many on here would have you believe. He is pretty lightweight and quite clumsy in the tackle. His passing is great but his play in the final third is lacking in judgment. I am struggling to remember a game where he has played and we have dominated the midfield. I know he had a blinder against Chelsea last season, but since then I'm struggling. I honestly think he would be easily replaced and not missed, other than his character.
I wish he could impose himself more on the game, as I love the lad.
I wish he could impose himself more on the game, as I love the lad.
Is this the post you're referring to?
When I said the "buying/selling decisions cannot be made based on where the club finished in the league", I'm talking about individual players only. Essentially, the decision whether or not to sell de Gea or Shaw cannot be made just by where Utd finished, it's about how they did.
What the 6th placed finish definitely indicates though is that the squad isn't good enough and there has to be activity but that's it. Further decisions on which players in this squad aren't good need a much more detailed study than just the league position.
Yeah I misinterpreted your post slightly. Thought you were separating finishing 6th shouldn't prompt any sales.
Agree with your last paragraph.
If the players are coming under scrutiny for coming 6th then shouldn't the manager come under the same scrutiny. He won us two trophies so escapes judgement. However the players also won us two trophies yet get hammered.
The manager does come under the same scrutiny. Discussion about his performance and future is all over the forum and now creeping into the media.
Just going to put this here.
http://www.planetfootball.com/quick...emanja-matic-ander-herrera-man-utds-midfield/
Essentially, Everybody keeps thinking that Herrera is more of a B2B or even a forward thinker, but considering how he was used last season and to an extent the season before that, you could say he plays best a defensive playmaker. Yes, he doesn't have the passing range or the consistency to truly excel in the role, but he is an excellent backup to Matic. Just look at how he played in some the games like Burton or Benfica. It's just that him and Matic being in the same midfield kind off throws of his game. It would be similar to how we would be if Carrick and Matic played in the same midfield. There would be those of us who think it would work and those that don't. In games where Matic needs a rest, and if we play a midfield trio of Fellaini, Herrera and Pogba, you will definitely see an improved perfomance from Herrera because his role is much more clearer.
Also, I just ordered a jersey (fake obv) with his name on the back. So I'd be livid if he left.
http://www.planetfootball.com/quick...emanja-matic-ander-herrera-man-utds-midfield/
Essentially, Everybody keeps thinking that Herrera is more of a B2B or even a forward thinker, but considering how he was used last season and to an extent the season before that, you could say he plays best a defensive playmaker. Yes, he doesn't have the passing range or the consistency to truly excel in the role, but he is an excellent backup to Matic. Just look at how he played in some the games like Burton or Benfica. It's just that him and Matic being in the same midfield kind off throws of his game. It would be similar to how we would be if Carrick and Matic played in the same midfield. There would be those of us who think it would work and those that don't. In games where Matic needs a rest, and if we play a midfield trio of Fellaini, Herrera and Pogba, you will definitely see an improved perfomance from Herrera because his role is much more clearer.
Also, I just ordered a jersey (fake obv) with his name on the back. So I'd be livid if he left.
Don't you think that is the problem now? That fan forums decide players and managers futures, they moan on places like this, then the lazy press make it escalate. Neither parties being particularly qualified on who is a good manager or a good player.
I think you're overestimating our influence.
Either way I still find it odd you feel Mourinho isn't being scrutinised as the players are. Especially with you being on here.
I know he is being scrutinised, but the fact we won trophies is what is being given for his job being safe, yet the players are not given the same security. If they are getting blamed for us being 6th, so should he. If he gets praise for winning trophies, so should they.
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