He needs to play in a midfield three. And he seems to thrive on the big games. It's a bit weird though. I can't recall any other performance of his in this season that was close to this one. But he's still got it. Need him for the final!
My hope for him is that he can become our Fletcher. I doubt he will be a consistent starter in a title winning midfield, but he ups his level for the big games and thrives on that stage. That's the role Fletcher reprised for most of his career here, although admittedly he was better at his peak and could have been more if not for that awful illness.He’s also better than Gibson and Cleverley but nowhere near as good as Fletcher Scholes Keane or Hargreaves (top drawer players). Think Butt edges him also but arguable although I suspect if he was here the same time as Anderson, I think most United fans would have chosen Anderson over Herrera as he was a potential superstar when he came. So being better than a converted centre forward (who’s injury blighted his career) who played a big part of his career in the lower league after leaving us and a winger who was very average is not a great marker imo. We need better than Herrera who has had the last 4 years to break into the side with 3 different managers and still can’t cement a place in the 11 or manage to look convincing for me.
By the way I gave him pelters on here last week and I’ll stand by that but Saturday for all his faults I had stated he went onto be excellent after the first 15-20 minutes but this like too many of our players I suspect won’t save him from being replaced come next season with Jose. Yes he’s definitely not our biggest problem far from it, but I doubt he’ll be anywhere near the regular starting 11 next season and wouldn’t be surprised to see him move on if we get a decent offer and I don’t think that would be a big loss as Mctominay could step in to cover our new signing.
He’s also better than Gibson and Cleverley but nowhere near as good as Fletcher Scholes Keane or Hargreaves (top drawer players). Think Butt edges him also but arguable although I suspect if he was here the same time as Anderson, I think most United fans would have chosen Anderson over Herrera as he was a potential superstar when he came. So being better than a converted centre forward (who’s injury blighted his career) who played a big part of his career in the lower league after leaving us and a winger who was very average is not a great marker imo. We need better than Herrera who has had the last 4 years to break into the side with 3 different managers and still can’t cement a place in the 11 or manage to look convincing for me.
By the way I gave him pelters on here last week and I’ll stand by that but Saturday for all his faults I had stated he went onto be excellent after the first 15-20 minutes but this like too many of our players I suspect won’t save him from being replaced come next season with Jose. Yes he’s definitely not our biggest problem far from it, but I doubt he’ll be anywhere near the regular starting 11 next season and wouldn’t be surprised to see him move on if we get a decent offer and I don’t think that would be a big loss as Mctominay could step in to cover our new signing.
He made 2 fouls and got 2 yellows v Chelsea!It’s the way he plays. Breaking up play with cynical fouls, play acts occasionally and somehow gets away with it. When he was sent off v Chelsea it had been coming since day one at the club. How he didn’t get booked till last 10 mins on sat I don’t know.?If he played for someone else we’d hate him, no doubt.
He made 2 fouls and got 2 yellows v Chelsea!
Ander has an excellent disciplinary record now
It was also one of the stupidest things a ref has done and was a nonsensical decision. You can't be booked because your teammates are committing fouls, the ref completely pulled it out of his ass.On top of that, the second was one of the most stupid things I've seen a footballer do.
Seconds after the ref highlights the tactical fouling of a player, he fouls said player. How dumb is that?
It was also one of the stupidest things a ref has done and was a nonsensical decision. You can't be booked because your teammates are committing fouls, the ref completely pulled it out of his ass.
Are you talking about this?? The replay is around 1:00 in the videoFor me, the fact it was an issue was made pretty clear so it was stupid to run the risk, go in and foul player seconds later.
Had no sympathy with him that night and my frustration was aimed at him. Good player though, I like him as I said
Are you talking about this?? The replay is around 1:00 in the video
2nd yellow for that and you think it is fair
It was not a kick from behind or even a kick from sides. Herrera barely connected with Hazard legs before he fell in a heap. Way too soft to give a sending off, even in the context. Oliver was clearly fooled into thinking that there was a kick on Hazard, because of the dramatic tumble that Hazard put in.Yes. He fouled him from behind, seconds after the referee made it clear he was going to do something about the persistent fouling of Hazard.
I don't blame referees when players do stupid things. Oliver easily could have just given him a talking to but in the context it was a poor risk to take by Herrera.
Yes. He fouled him from behind, seconds after the referee made it clear he was going to do something about the persistent fouling of Hazard.
I don't blame referees when players do stupid things. Oliver easily could have just given him a talking to but in the context it was a poor risk to take by Herrera.
You have to ask the question as where has he been all season?
I know he was injured during the Seville game but before that?
Obviously he's not as good as Scholes and Keane. He's better than what Fletcher was throughout most of his career (although that 18 month period where Fletch was at his peak was a bit better). Herrera is definitely a better central midfielder than Hargreaves was for us (he was disappointing in the centre for us, and his best performances tended to be when he was played on the right). Butt...that's probably the closest one and I'm not sure which would get the nod there.He’s also better than Gibson and Cleverley but nowhere near as good as Fletcher Scholes Keane or Hargreaves (top drawer players). Think Butt edges him also
Obviously he's not as good as Scholes and Keane. He's better than what Fletcher was throughout most of his career (although that 18 month period where Fletch was at his peak was a bit better). Herrera is definitely a better central midfielder than Hargreaves was for us (he was disappointing in the centre for us, and his best performances tended to be when he was played on the right). Butt...that's probably the closest one and I'm not sure which would get the nod there.
I did that last year halfway through the season before he finished his immense season, good to see him at his best so I have a shirt with a player who is still at United. I will always go for fighters and palyers who know what it is to play for this club!Brilliant mentality and as big a heart. I feel ashamed I still havn't bought the #21 jersey. Love the guy!
It was not a kick from behind or even a kick from sides. Herrera barely connected with Hazard legs before he fell in a heap. Way too soft to give a sending off, even in the context. Oliver was clearly fooled into thinking that there was a kick on Hazard, because of the dramatic tumble that Hazard put in.
It was a case of ref screwing it up, more than a player doing something stupid.
You can't just make up your own rules as a referee. Fouls are treated on their own merit, not to the whim of the referee deciding the direction of the game.
What Oliver did brings the game into disrepute, he decided that a specific player wasn't going to get fouled anymore. That sort of officiating wouldn't be out of place in the match fixing days of Seria A.
that doesnt change the fact that it was a stupid mistake by the ref who wanted to be the man of the match like always in Oliver's case. Nothing wrong with the player. Blaming him for being sent off in that situation is stupid, the same with referee saying that whoever will foul hazard next will get a yellow card, it is totally against the rules, especially when the foul was absolutely minimal if there was any and the player would be sent off..You don’t have to make contact (connect) to give away a free kick. An attempted trip is what the rules say and that was, especially as he was nowhere near the ball Hazard was in control of. And it wasn’t a straight red it was a second yellow. For me it’s simple, if he doesn’t run the risk and make the challenge, he doesn’t get sent off. I have zero sympathy when players don’t use their brains and do silly things like when already booked.
There's not much difference in Fletcher and Herrera. Herrera is comfortably better than Hargreaves(what we saw at United anyway)
Hargreaves has become pretty overrated I must say, people forget that his best performances for United came when he played as a right sided midfielder and he was pretty average in CM for us.
Pretty sure he played at RB wasn't it?
RM, LM in the champions league and then ended up a right back yeah. He completely failed to cement his place in CM
I recall him being pretty ace at RB.
Without Herrera, spurs might have been out of sight by halftime. Even made a last ditch clearance behind all the defendersMy MOTM, he was key in getting control in midfield after we were swamped, and then smashed home the winner.
RM, LM in the champions league and then ended up a right back yeah. He completely failed to cement his place in CM
He's not bad this Ander Herrera.
The Chelsea game will suit him down to the ground. He likes the task of stopping the other side play. To deal with their dangerman in midfield. Wasn't bad, but this game was never going to show him at his best, especially with the side Arsenal put out.He thrives in combative games played at a high intensity, the games like this where we have a lot of the ball he doesn't offer as much.
Lukaku injury made it that he had to bring Fellaini on for the height and he will never, ever take Matic off. No problem with the sub as Jose said it was tactical.What happened between Herrera and Matic to gift Arsenal possession prior to Mkhitaryan's goal ? Ridiculous.
He was no worse than a lot of the players that managed to avoid getting substituted.
I think in some games Ander can play the Matic role, he did it last season. He could have taken Matic off and saved his legs a bit. We have two away games now, Brighton on Friday and WHU the following Thursday, so will need to rotate his squad, as there will be a game at the weekend as well. Three games in just over a week.Him and Matic really struggle to work together at times.