Alphonso Davies

Madrid are going to be defensively awful playing Trent & Davies in a back 4.

Even worse if they decide to sell Tchouameni which i have heard in few reports.

If Xabi Alonso comes and plays a back 3 then thats more believable.

I think we are still in the game for Davies because of similar tactics & Ineos's next gen 2028 project - as dumb as it sounds; it is looking like only United vs Madrid for this just like Yoro so our chances are 50/50.
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MaMa given red said:
I think they would be more likely to line up like this, with Rodrygo sometimes coming in on the right wing and Valverde dropping in to midfield.

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Trent - Rudiger - Militao - Davies
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This is a really poor team honestly, lacks creativity badly.
 
pcaming said:
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This is a really poor team honestly, lacks creativity badly.
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Trent, Davies Bellingham, Valverde and Vinícius Júnior would provide it.

I think it's one of those teams that looks better on Fifa than in real life though. Feels like Madrid are making the galatico era mistakes all over again.
 
MaMa given red said:
Trent, Davies Bellingham, Valverde and Vinícius Júnior would provide it.

I think it's one of those teams that looks better on Fifa than in real life though. Feels like Madrid are making the galatico era mistakes all over again.
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Mbappe was a huge feck up from Florentino. Just use that money on a pure striker and then go buy and actual left back instead of fecking around with a Galactico signing that plays the same position as your star player.
 


Quite a bit of smoke on this one, seems its a straight race again like with Yoro between us and RM for him on a free.

Kind of incredible that he's still just 24! He's been around the European and international scene for a while now
 
For me, he’s a player who we should be signing to play in a back four, not as a wing back. Of course, I’d prefer if we play a 433 anyway, but I think a player like Davies at LB basically offers you the same cheat code as Kyle Walker does. He allows you to play a very high line and can end any counter attack against you. If you have that asset, I think you need to use it to get more forwards on the pitch and play a higher line.
 
I see this becoming a lot more likely if Amorim hits the ground running and we start playing actual football, not the shite we have been serving up.

Right now if I was a footballer I would be watching Utd very carefully over the next few months before I thought of joining them especially if there is RM as a real alternative, and basically as a free agent Davies will have a choice of clubs, not sure why any player in his position would not be sceptical of Utd right this second.
 
If you are willing to seriously outbid anyone else, you have a chance. His agent appears to be really pushing for the most money, as Davies is the only client of his who actually makes him money.
 
Zed 101 said:
I see this becoming a lot more likely if Amorim hits the ground running and we start playing actual football, not the shite we have been serving up.

Right now if I was a footballer I would be watching Utd very carefully over the next few months before I thought of joining them especially if there is RM as a real alternative, and basically as a free agent Davies will have a choice of clubs, not sure why any player in his position would not be sceptical of Utd right this second.
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Madrid look far from amazing right now themselves tbh.
 
Rolaholic said:


Quite a bit of smoke on this one, seems its a straight race again like with Yoro between us and RM for him on a free.

Kind of incredible that he's still just 24! He's been around the European and international scene for a while now
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I wouldn’t get my hopes up. The agent is clearly trying to create a bidding war in terms of how much teams might pay for him. He will go to Madrid.
 
I've not paid attention to him since the Flick season where he looked like an absolute monster, so that is still the perception of him that I have. If he is still anything like that player then it's a no brainer for me.
 
He'd be fantastic, but not if it means paying him £300k a week and a massive signing on fee to get him here.

I know Davies has been doing it for longer, and the Bundesliga is probably a little stronger than the Portugese league (although he plays for Bayern so most weeks I wouldn't say he's facing much harder opposition), but we have first option on a guy who would cost us a fraction of the price and is banging out performances every bit as good lately:

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Rolaholic said:


Quite a bit of smoke on this one, seems its a straight race again like with Yoro between us and RM for him on a free.

Kind of incredible that he's still just 24! He's been around the European and international scene for a while now
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I think this understandable perception is because he started so young. I still remember his Vancouver Whitecaps debut when he came on as a sub at age fifteen against Orlando in July 2016. I know it's MLS, but he already looked head and shoulders above the other players even then. People seem to think he's only about pace, but no, he has that in abundance, sure, but he also has pure talent. Back then, he played purely as a left winger not a wingback, and he was electric.
 
diarm said:
He'd be fantastic, but not if it means paying him £300k a week and a massive signing on fee to get him here.

I know Davies has been doing it for longer, and the Bundesliga is probably a little stronger than the Portugese league (although he plays for Bayern so most weeks I wouldn't say he's facing much harder opposition), but we have first option on a guy who would cost us a fraction of the price and is banging out performances every bit as good lately:

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Obvious we should sign them both. With Carreras coming in Jan
 
RDCR07 said:
I wouldn’t get my hopes up. The agent is clearly trying to create a bidding war in terms of how much teams might pay for him. He will go to Madrid.
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Said everyone about Leny Yoro. We've got decent negotiators now. I think anything is possible
 
LordSpud said:
Said everyone about Leny Yoro. We've got decent negotiators now. I think anything is possible
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Leny is different cause we had to pay a transfer fee. This is a free transfer. Not the same situation. Also Yoro hasn’t won anything. Davies has and he might want to go somewhere to continue his winning ways immediately.
 
RDCR07 said:
Leny is different cause we had to pay a transfer fee. This is a free transfer. Not the same situation. Also Yoro hasn’t won anything. Davies has and he might want to go somewhere to continue his winning ways immediately.
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Let’s see if Madrid win anything this season. If we have a good season, we’d be a very attractive proposition, although Madrid are simply more glamorous I concede.
 
diarm said:
He'd be fantastic, but not if it means paying him £300k a week and a massive signing on fee to get him here.

I know Davies has been doing it for longer, and the Bundesliga is probably a little stronger than the Portugese league (although he plays for Bayern so most weeks I wouldn't say he's facing much harder opposition), but we have first option on a guy who would cost us a fraction of the price and is banging out performances every bit as good lately:

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On the actual football pitch, Davies is clearly the superior player.
 
Rozay said:
On the actual football pitch, Davies is clearly the superior player.
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All of those stats are based on actual things that happen on actual football pitches. As I qualified above, Carreras needs to show consistency like this over a longer period to be judged alongside someone like Davies, but to dismiss stats completely is prehistoric and thankfully, not what happens at modern football clubs.

If Davies is going to cost us a massive signing on fee and £300k a week to prise away from Madrid, then we'd be stupid not to look at better value alternatives. Over the past 12 months Carreras has been one such alternative who is playing every bit as well as Davies. One who we just happen to have an option to buy on.
 
diarm said:
All of those stats are based on actual things that happen on actual football pitches. As I qualified above, Carreras needs to show consistency like this over a longer period to be judged alongside someone like Davies, but to dismiss stats completely is prehistoric and thankfully, not what happens at modern football clubs.

If Davies is going to cost us a massive signing on fee and £300k a week to prise away from Madrid, then we'd be stupid not to look at better value alternatives. Over the past 12 months Carreras has been one such alternative who is playing every bit as well as Davies. One who we just happen to have an option to buy on.
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Okay, there’s nothing in it between them.
 
Rozay said:
I wonder why.
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Because one has been a high profile player for much longer, will be a free agent this summer and is being courted by Real Madrid and Manchester United, while the other is younger, less proven and in the midst of his breakout season.

Getting more press and a higher salary isn't proof that one player is significantly better than the other. Marcus Rashford earns roughly 10 times the salary (and probably similar in newspaper column inches) that Lamine Yamal does, but nobody would suggest that makes him the better player.

You're making this a bigger thing than it needs to be. I simply said that while Davies would be a fantastic signing, I don't think it would be a shrewd one if he was coming in on wages like we've given to Rashford and Casemiro in recent years. Then suggested a younger, less proven but far cheaper alternative.
 
Shaw's Shank Redemption said:
Madrid are going to be defensively awful playing Trent & Davies in a back 4.

Even worse if they decide to sell Tchouameni which i have heard in few reports.

If Xabi Alonso comes and plays a back 3 then thats more believable.

I think we are still in the game for Davies because of similar tactics & Ineos's next gen 2028 project - as dumb as it sounds; it is looking like only United vs Madrid for this just like Yoro so our chances are 50/50.
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Kind of screaming out for a back 5 alright but you’re sacrificing a WC attacker then… it’s not a bad problem to have I guess. Go 4 at the back against the fodder teams which is 90% of teams Real face
 
diarm said:
Because one has been a high profile player for much longer, will be a free agent this summer and is being courted by Real Madrid and Manchester United, while the other is younger, less proven and in the midst of his breakout season.

Getting more press and a higher salary isn't proof that one player is significantly better than the other. Marcus Rashford earns roughly 10 times the salary (and probably similar in newspaper column inches) that Lamine Yamal does, but nobody would suggest that makes him the better player.

You're making this a bigger thing than it needs to be. I simply said that while Davies would be a fantastic signing, I don't think it would be a shrewd one if he was coming in on wages like we've given to Rashford and Casemiro in recent years. Then suggested a younger, less proven but far cheaper alternative.
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I don’t think I’m making it big, I’m looking at it quite simplistically actually.

There will literally always be cheaper alternatives than top players, by sheer logic. Most teams need to prioritise that, and they do so in the knowledge that they leave the most expensive players to the top/big clubs. We fit into such category, and as such, should apply the approach of getting the best players we can. If we can’t afford Davies wages, then we won’t get him. That said, if we can, the we should of course get the better player rather than a less good player because he asks for less money.

Half the time people are complaining that we are ‘run like a business and not a football team’. Davies is better than Fernandez, if we can get him then get him, and if we can’t, then we need to look at alternatives.

And the Yamal/Rashford comparison is for obvious reasons. It’s also a false equivalence as it is not a comparison between what two players would command should they transfer today, which is what the comparison between Fernandez and Davies is.

And of course, Davies would not require a transfer fee.
 
diarm said:
Because one has been a high profile player for much longer, will be a free agent this summer and is being courted by Real Madrid and Manchester United, while the other is younger, less proven and in the midst of his breakout season.

Getting more press and a higher salary isn't proof that one player is significantly better than the other. Marcus Rashford earns roughly 10 times the salary (and probably similar in newspaper column inches) that Lamine Yamal does, but nobody would suggest that makes him the better player.

You're making this a bigger thing than it needs to be. I simply said that while Davies would be a fantastic signing, I don't think it would be a shrewd one if he was coming in on wages like we've given to Rashford and Casemiro in recent years. Then suggested a younger, less proven but far cheaper alternative.
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What would happen if we signed cheaper, inexperienced and lesser players in every position, though? When you get the opportunity to sign some of the best players in their respective position who is quite clearly a vastly better player, you try to sign him.

As for Carreras he was deemed not good enough a very short time ago and has been better, but still very raw in the Liga Primeira that is a fair bit weaker league.

I also don't think it is problematic to offer great players great wages. Our issue is that we've given it to players who simply aren't near worth their wages. Top clubs pay their top players good money.
 
diarm said:
He'd be fantastic, but not if it means paying him £300k a week and a massive signing on fee to get him here.

I know Davies has been doing it for longer, and the Bundesliga is probably a little stronger than the Portugese league (although he plays for Bayern so most weeks I wouldn't say he's facing much harder opposition), but we have first option on a guy who would cost us a fraction of the price and is banging out performances every bit as good lately:

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Don't forget Davies' pace. He fits PL to a tee.
 
HTG said:
If you are willing to seriously outbid anyone else, you have a chance. His agent appears to be really pushing for the most money, as Davies is the only client of his who actually makes him money.
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Agent to receive an SMS text short message in the morning:
Bemar Orrada has transferred 5mil into your bank account.
Notes: "get me yer man, man".
 
diarm said:
He'd be fantastic, but not if it means paying him £300k a week and a massive signing on fee to get him here.

I know Davies has been doing it for longer, and the Bundesliga is probably a little stronger than the Portugese league (although he plays for Bayern so most weeks I wouldn't say he's facing much harder opposition), but we have first option on a guy who would cost us a fraction of the price and is banging out performances every bit as good lately:

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Personally I’d sign both and loan Amass out for a season to a PL club then use Shaw when fit as back up to Martinez as a left sided centre back which would be far less stress on his body than playing left back/wing back, Davies on a free and Alvaro for around £15 million is brilliant business.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
He's a world class player, it would be great if we could sign him, regardless of what is his role and position.
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No he is absolutely not.
He is fast as hell but other than that he is an "okay" player at best.

His passes, crosses and game iq in general are not good.
He is quite frustrating in attack and his best scenes are arguably when he can stop a counter with his insane speed.

He does look better this year under Kompany but his last 2 seasons have been pretty bad.
It also seemed like he didnt care much. Only now because he wants a huge contract at Bayern/Real/United he is giving his best again.

I dont want us to extend his contract if the reported wages are correct.

Speed aside Mazraoui is the much better full back, no matter the side.
 
Rozay said:
I don’t think I’m making it big, I’m looking at it quite simplistically actually.

There will literally always be cheaper alternatives than top players, by sheer logic. Most teams need to prioritise that, and they do so in the knowledge that they leave the most expensive players to the top/big clubs. We fit into such category, and as such, should apply the approach of getting the best players we can. If we can’t afford Davies wages, then we won’t get him. That said, if we can, the we should of course get the better player rather than a less good player because he asks for less money.

Half the time people are complaining that we are ‘run like a business and not a football team’. Davies is better than Fernandez, if we can get him then get him, and if we can’t, then we need to look at alternatives.

And the Yamal/Rashford comparison is for obvious reasons. It’s also a false equivalence as it is not a comparison between what two players would command should they transfer today, which is what the comparison between Fernandez and Davies is.

And of course, Davies would not require a transfer fee.
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Davies and his agent would demand signing on fees in excess of the transfer fee we’d have to pay for Carreras.

I simply don’t think we should be bringing in another player on massive wages. I’d prefer to see us focus on players who want to come for the right reasons and not just because we’ll offer a higher wage than Real Madrid.
 
diarm said:
Davies and his agent would demand signing on fees in excess of the transfer fee we’d have to pay for Carreras.

I simply don’t think we should be bringing in another player on massive wages. I’d prefer to see us focus on players who want to come for the right reasons and not just because we’ll offer a higher wage than Real Madrid.
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Agreed, we have just started to lower our wage bill, would be a bit silly to go drop 250-300k on a LB.

Also.. I dont understand why everyone is so excited by him, calling him world class and what not. He is a good payer but he is also injury prone, we dont want another Luke Shaw.
 
I'm just wondering what's funnier. That the transfer is called "free" or that Davies is expected to provide creativity.
 
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