Your not factoring in that there is no transfer fee, why do you think elite players prefer free transfers, it's all about getting more money for themselves, which they are entitled to do and go for.
Alphonso Davies
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Yeah, agreed. I think we’re probably all a bit scared from the past decades overspending on players, on high salaries - players with the wrong profile or attitude (or both). I don’t think the new regime is that incompetent, so it’ll probably take a while for the “trust” to kick in and have faith that they’re chasing the right profile players and we won’t be held to ransom over fees any longer. But agreed, get the better player - unless of course we somehow think Alvaro has the potential to become a top 3 player in his position in the next couple of years.
How’s his injury record?
He would be a dream LWB signing. He has pace and can beat players. I think if we tell him the role where he will be playing, he would love playing as LWB role more than as LB role, which gives him one reason in the list why to choose us over Real Madrid. But it wouldn’t be enough reason to choose us over Real Madrid.
250k wages is a fair valuation because he would be our key player in the system.
He would be a dream LWB signing. He has pace and can beat players. I think if we tell him the role where he will be playing, he would love playing as LWB role more than as LB role, which gives him one reason in the list why to choose us over Real Madrid. But it wouldn’t be enough reason to choose us over Real Madrid.
250k wages is a fair valuation because he would be our key player in the system.
Not if Alonso brings his system over to Real.
That point is true, however with Alaba being out with ACL and now Militao rupturing his ACL in the last game, Real have 2 of their 3 top CBs out long term (they only have Rüdiger and a mediocre Vallejo left..) and even if they can be expected to come back for next season, in order to implement a 3-4-3 the priority now would be to invest big in CBs and not in a position where they already have two good options. They are Real of course and will be able to spend a lot, but Militao's injury might change how much Real are willing to invest in signing a new LWB..
Is he expected to go to Real? Leverkusen not looking too good this year
Yes he is.
Mate, it is Real. They might bust buy two more LWs.
Any updates on this or just your guess?
He is a superstar, he is relatively young, he is fast, can dribble and he'd be a perfect fit for a 3 at the back formation. However he'd want a huge wage packet plus a sizeable signing on fee. I am just sure that he'd be influential enough to our overall progress to warrant such an outlay.
No real updates, jut a guess. Not just my guess though, but most people's..
The entire football world knows he's going to Real Madrid.
We could do with the lad. Dalot is hopeless there
I’d take him in a heartbeat. Would be perfect as LWB.
20 minutes into the PSG game and you see the issues he’s had over the last couple of seasons. Lazy passing and positioning.
Got caught driving drunk with his Lamborghini Urus..
Shocked he drives to be honest. Wouldn't it be quicker for him to run?
I guess he's gonna sign for Real Madrid. They are desperate to sign someone as Mendy isn't reliable on the left, and Fran Garcia is simply mediocre, they will sell both i guess. However, i'm not convinced by Davies. He's got speed, but that's all. Poor defensive work, and unreliable in attacking.
Sorry, but not true!!
He was stopped DUI with 0.06 units of alcohol in his system, which is not a criminal offence but an administrative one, meaning he will face a one-month driving ban and a €500.
That still doesn't change that he got caught driving under the influence, so no idea why you're going "not true" here? You're also wrong in that 0.6‰ would automatically mean that it is not a criminal offense - it's entirely possible to be as low as 0.3‰ and still commit a crime if one also shows hints at being unfit to drive. That wasn't the case for Davies, to be clear. But it's not an automatic outcome as you make it sound.
I would rather get Alvaro back.
Why?
Alvaro has had a decent 6 months at Benfica, granted. But to prefer him over Alphonso Davies who has had many years of being a top fullback at the very top level, who would suit being a LWB even more than he does LB is pretty mental.
Obviously if Alphonso asks for anything more than 250k and a reasonable signing fee, then we look at other options. But no way can Alvaro be our no. 1 target.
Ideal situation would be to sign both, but would require us to get players like Malacia and Antony out the door at semi-respectable fees (like €10m and €25m respectively).
Years of being a top fullback is hyperbole, he has been disappointing for two seasons according to Bayern fans here. Also, his attacking game is subpar as well. For now, Alvaro is performing to the same level as Davies, and I rate him highly as a talent. In any case, I would rather a player who is hungry for success and everything to prove than a supposed star who has been disappointing according to their own fans.
I guess after repeated disappointments with these so called star players being duds for us, I would rather go for the alternative approach. It is not just Alvaro, but a similar profile. Young, talented and hungry for success.
There is a difference to driving with relative impairment and being drunk. Saying someone got 'caught driving drunk' incinuates something with bigger implications. I simply added context, which was he was stopped while in the category of being relatively impaired.
When did I say the words 0.6 is not an automatic criminal offense?? I stated being caught with 0.06 is ' not a criminal offence but an administrative one' he will face a 1 month driving ban and pay a 500€ fine. A criminal offence is 1.1 mg and above of alcohol per mm in the system.
Please read this german legal document to get a better understanding of the law before you call me wrong.
https://se-legal.de/criminal-defens...-and-legal-alcohol-limits-in-germany/?lang=en
Have a nice evening.
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Not sure about this you know. Seems like someone we should avoid.
"German legal document" and the guy links a lawyer's superficial writeup on their own website.
You've also managed to misread my comment about why 0.6‰ does not mean that it cannot be a criminal charge and would only be a fine.
For starters, the legal definition of drunk driving is rather loosely defined as being unable to safely operate a vehicle in traffic due to the incluence of alcoholic beverages or other intoxicating substances. You'll note that the actual text of the law does not refer to any hard numbers, neither does it refer to any paragraph that does.
Then there are the definitions of relative and absolute unfitness to drive. Those are actually not written in any hard law, but were defined by court judgements.
In their ruling from 1990/06/28, 4 StR 297/90, the BGH defined 1.1‰ as the key value at which an operator of a car or motorbike is to be presumed irrefutably as absolutely unfit to drive. At that point it is a definite criminal charge under §316 StGB, no matter how little actual visible impact it has on your driving.
Relative unfitness to drive however is circumstantial. It requires not just a blood alcohol value of at least 0.3‰, but also aggravating circumstances that show that the driver is unfit, for example slurred speech, driving in serpentines, problems with body motor functions like standing, walking straight or impaired hand-eye coordination, reduced pupil reaction, causing an accident etc. If such symptoms show, and an expert witness confirms them to be alcohol-induced, then it is defined as relative unfitness to drive and, again, drunk driving and a crime under §316 StGB if not §315c as well, rather than just an administrative fine. So don't go around telling people that it is only a crime when at/over 1.1‰.
TL;DR: being above 1.1 automatically makes it a crime, but being below 1.1 does not automatically make it not a crime.
Davies, at 0.6‰, could have absolutely had a criminal charge called against him if he had shown any such symptoms. No such thing was observed by the policemen, but Davies was above 0.5‰, thus only the fine.
If you want to discuss the topic further please use PMs, because none of this has any relation to a potential transfer of his so let's not clutter the thread further.
As to the actual topic at hand: currently I'd give it about 50-30-20 odds for Madrid snatching him up, either in the winter window or next summer, him staying at Bayern, or coming to United.
If Madrid pulls out of the race then something like 55-45 in favour of him staying.
While he looks a fair bit happier and more engaged under Kompany, I still struggle to see how his performances this season justify a pay raise anywhere near what he is supposedly asking. He is still not a world beater defensively, and a lot of his offensive potential relies on him having spaces to burst into. In absence of those he still struggles a lot and rarely beats an opponent on technique alone.
I certainly think he'd be an improvement on anything United currently has for the left wide back, but at that price tag I think the club might rather shop elsewhere.