I can’t see Madrid pushing for TAA and Davies at the same time come summer but I suspect this is Mendys last season so interested in how this plays out
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That sounds exactly the sort of thing Madrid would do considering neither will require a transfer fee.
It’s Perez, he’ll sign one defender and two strikers
I know Perez has a kink for attacking players but surely with that attacking talent they have, buying two flying fullbacks while having problems in central defence would be nonsensical. If they are serious about pursuing TAA to replace a 32/33 year old Carvajal and they have have Mendy and the academy lad who has been deputising there this season + Alaba and Camavinga who provide adequate cover, then Davies shouldn't be a priority.
One of the best in the world at his position, and he'll have interest from the world's best clubs.
Why would he come to a mid-table club who will be lucky to even make the Europa next season?
Why would he come to a mid-table club who will be lucky to even make the Europa next season?
Because we are Manchester United.
History, good project, new owners, Amorim, money. Several reasons. It's not always about choosing the best clubs available at the time.
United will have to pay 2* what other clubs are offering like they did with the young lad(Leny) from Lille.
Real Madrid were being cheap and didn't want to offer more than €30m. Lille were never selling for that. €60m for a generational CB talent similar to Varane is not a bad deal. If we can get the same for Davies after Real decides to be cheap again, I'd be more than happy.
No.
He had 1 year left on his contract. 30 Mill was more than reasonable. But United decided to pay double what would normally be required because United were desperate. Time will tell if he is worth it. But past 10 years there has been very few signings that United has got right for the right price.
It is up to Lille whether they find it reasonable to sell their best player and one of the biggest CB talents in the world for €30m, not you. You act surprised and upset when clubs don't bend over for you.
We weren't desperate, we had de Ligt who wanted to come. Ineos thought it was worth it to splash the cash for Yoro when €30m obviously wasn't enough. Why would they pay twice that amount if €30m would cut it?
Real Madrid is a brilliantly run club, but sometimes, you're incredibly cheap regarding certain transfers, and in this case, it has come back to bite you considering all your centre backs are injured other than Rudiger and some B players.
Look I agree it was not the smartest thing to not buy another CB when Leny did not come but that is another discussion. Leny is also injured so there goes your point.
The truth is United offered much higher wages to Leny and therefor he agreed to go to United and paid whatever Lille wanted.
RM gameplan was to put pressure on Lille to agree to 30 mill or lose him for free next season.
I don't see what's wrong with my statement. If United want Davies they would have to attract with him with $$$ otherwise Bayern or Real are much better choices.
Yet they’ve apparently been sniffing around him for months.
Well he will be on a free so it’s about whatever package he’s offered
Bayern and players coming to other clubs in their prime not really good for the other club.
Alaba was a big hit in RM. He was brilliant especially in his first season.
Yes, wait where is he again? I remember Hargreaves being brilliant one season at United until we never saw him again.
Yep. I’m sure Madrid will be offering him pennies, just like they did for the most recent free transfer they just picked up.
Evans but not De Ligt, Mazraoui, Onana, Ugarte?
Should get van Dijk then. Free this summer aswell.
Alaba was absolutely amazing first season. His second season was pretty good too and he was still main cb until he got ACL.
I am not sure I will blame Bayern for his ACL. Courtois, Carvajal, Militao 2*x and a few Academi players also recently got ACL. If anything RM is to blame for his injury.
No. When you pick players for free usually you to pay extra high wages. United just have to pay extra extra high wages.
Yep. Historically it’s well known you pay a player a €150m sign on fee when he’s a free. United will have to pay Davies €300m if they want a chance.
Money, Money, Money!
Amen brother, been saying the same on here for years. Extremely low evidence of any of this nonsense, yet it’s trotted out again and again. We’ve probably beaten City to more players than the other way since they have been the best team in England too.
Main reason is because we paid more money for them...that is obvious.
You're blaming Bayern for him doing his ACL?
Well obviously City didn’t pay any money for them at all. As for what they would have been willing to pay, that is pure speculation. I’m sure their wage bill is higher than ours too, so I struggle to understand this narrative that players come to us because the likes of Real and City offer paltry salaries.
Paltry??
I don't think there would be a footballer playing in the Premier League that earns a paltry wage but we all know the money in top level football is obscene anyway.
When it comes to transfers fees every little bit counts for the player and the agent and that is why the likes of Pogba and Sanchez chose us over the other interested parties and what other club (in a competitive league) in the world would have paid the fee and wages and length of contract for Casemiro?...even Chelsea aren't that stupid.
The Yoro signing was a coup but the two situations are hardly comparable. Yoro is a young player who still needs to develop and came from a team in the French league who don't traditionally compete for honours. Even then, we were helped out by Madrid not wanting to stump up the fee required to sign him.
It isn't even self loathing, it's just obvious. Davies plays for Bayern Munich and has Real Madrid sniffing around. He's established himself as one of the best in his position and will naturally want to win the big trophies. We haven't won our domestic league since 2013 or made it to the latter stages of the Champions League since 2011. We can't even guarantee qualification. That isn't an appealing proposition for most top players.
Yep. Toni only gave us 10 years and then he retired!
You think your team are entitled to the biggest teenage talents in the world and upset that you couldn't bully Lille into selling Yoro for a cheap fee because of the contract situation?
Yes, United did overpay, I'm not going to deny that, but we did it because players like Yoro are the calibre of talents that United need to hoard if we want to catch up to you, City, and Arsenal, and they don't come around very often. And when they do, every single top club is interested. Inferior talents at CB would've improved us too, and would've raised the floor of the squad, make no mistake about it, but Ineos know we have to be in for the highest ceiling-raisers too, and Yoro is the biggest CB talent since van Dijk in the last 10 years.
City have the GOAT manager but still need to acquire the absolute creme de la creme talents on a regular basis, otherwise they'll suffer from it too. They bought Haaland and Gvardiol in the last 3 seasons, that fit this criteria, and yet they're still suffering now because they missed out on both Bellingham and Rice last year, and ended up with players like Phillips, Gómez, Nunes, Doku, Savio, etc. who are good players but don't move the needle that much for their team. Your recruitment needs to be excellent even if you are the best team in the world.
If you want to be the best team in the world, you need to make ambitious moves like United with Yoro, otherwise they'll join your rivals and you'll have to wait 5 years for another talent like him to appear.
Madrid would've been better off for paying up for Yoro too, btw, but instead, you signed the best left winger in the world, and put him up front to play as a #9, which he hated at PSG already, when you already had the world's second best LW in your squad, and ignored urgent needs at centre-back, right-back, left-back, left footed right winger, out and out #9, expansive passer to replace Kroos at CM, etc. so at least 6 bigger needs than Mbappé was.
You would assume Perez would know more about squad building, than this, after so many decades at Madrid, especially with the advantage of being able to buy anyone you want, often for a free as well after you convince the player to run down their contract at their current club.
And no, we won't be paying Davies 2x more than whatever Madrid or Bayern offer him. He will not join United if those are his demands, but I hope you don't believe he will go to Madrid for lets say €250k/week whilst demanding 500k from United.
He would still be coming to the 3rd biggest club in the world, the biggest club in the de facto super league which the PL has been for years, on a great salary, and joining one of the most ambitious footballing projects created in recent years by Ineos, and you're basically likening it to going to the Saudi league for a huge payday and nothing else.
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In my defence Evans for six years was a part of one of the strongest United editions that ever were, winning the CL making another two finals and winning the premier league 3 times.
But sure, I was very happy with the signings of those players and hope that we’ll continue to build on that with even better, more established players when the opportunity is there.
Lewandowski is hugely flopping at Barca, too.
People have issues with huge signing on fee. Transfer fee for player like him is easily 60+ million. So even if signing on fee is 20 mil, it is still a bargain fee for top class player.
Salary is different issue, of course.
Salary is different issue, of course.
I thought by now , we should have learnt a lesson from this kind of transfers.
What similar transfers have you done? And which players have you acquired lately, that a club like Bayern really wants to keep, while Real Madrid desperately want him to sign and even Barca is rumoured to be in the mix?
What kind of transfers like this? Getting "for free" world class full back who is only 24 years old?
If we only sign players who are going to be low wages (for European top teams standards) then we will be competing against teams who also pay those lower wages. Basically we qualify for the Conference League during good seasons. If you want quality players, you got to pay up for them. No player is going to sign for Manchester United if he can earn more money somewhere else.
We won La Liga and the Champions League last season. With Mbappe signing, on paper, it looked like a powerful squad. All these issues you're pointing out stem from the team's poor form. When you start losing, everything looks bad.
An urgent need for a right-back? We had Carvajal, the best right-back in the world (ranked 4th in the Ballon d'Or). No one could predict he’d suffer an ACL injury. Vasquez did a decent job whenever he was needed last season, but he’s not someone who can hold the position for a full season.
At left-back, we have Mendy and Garcia. They played well last season. While Davies would have been a luxury and a great addition, he wasn't an urgent need by any means.
The only position I agree we need is center-back. We should have signed another CB when Leny didn't come.
For midfield, we have Modric, Camavinga, Bellingham, Tchouameni, Valverde, and Ceballos, with Arda Güler as an option as well. There’s no other player like Kroos on the market.
At right wing, we have Rodrygo, Güler, and Brahim Diaz. Brahim was one of our best players last season and still plays very well this season. It would have been pointless to sign another winger—this isn’t Football Manager.
Whether Mbappe will be a success or not, only time will tell. He's been poor so far, but I’ve followed Madrid long enough to know not to rule someone out after just a few months. Vini looked like a Sunday league player in his first few seasons.
Whether Leny is a generational talent or not, only time will tell. However, he wasn’t generational enough for Madrid to go all the way for him.
United is by no means the Saudi League. My point was that United will have to pay much more than Madrid because, at the moment, United is not a top club. They're nowhere near a league title and nowhere to be seen in Europe.
Before criticizing Perez and his squad-building, take a look at the Champions League trophies Real Madrid has won during his tenure. 7!!!! That's same nr. as AC Milan at nr. 2.