He's terrible as a defender, I don't see how anyone can watch him long term and think any different.
Going forward completely different player, obviously.
Alphonso Davies
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Going forward completely different player, obviously.
Genuinely, I think he's only a good passer of the ball, I think his all round game is shite and he's made to look better by other players around him and even with thr players he plays with, he still stands out as shite an awful lot
I'm getting pulled into this saga ffs 
I think with Davies and Branthwaite, we'd have all the pieces to be able to build the best defense in the world. Or at least a top 3 in the world defense. Would be up to Amorim and his coaching staff to build it, but the pieces would be there.
Onana, Davies, Amass, Shaw, Malacia, Martínez, Branthwaite, Yoro, De Ligt, Maguire, Evans, Lindelöf, Mazraoui, Dalot.
That's outrageous depth and quality. I know not all of those CBs will be at the club next season with the expiring contract situations, but still
I think with Davies and Branthwaite, we'd have all the pieces to be able to build the best defense in the world. Or at least a top 3 in the world defense. Would be up to Amorim and his coaching staff to build it, but the pieces would be there.
Onana, Davies, Amass, Shaw, Malacia, Martínez, Branthwaite, Yoro, De Ligt, Maguire, Evans, Lindelöf, Mazraoui, Dalot.
That's outrageous depth and quality. I know not all of those CBs will be at the club next season with the expiring contract situations, but still
Having watched them both a lot (I'm Canadian):
Similarities:
-Very fast
-Lack of concentration/positional mistakes happen more than the average top-level fullback, like a winger can sometimes get a few yards distance from them off the ball or their body stance is wrong
Differences:
-Walker is strong, Davies isn't
-Walker covers for his CBs, Davies doesn't
-Davies is a great dribbler for a fullback, Walker isn't
-Davies is average to above average in the final 3rd, Walker is bad
To get the best version of Davies I think he needs to play in a 'back 5'
I rather we went for Ait-Nouri who is doing fantastic at Wolves right now, is much better than Davies at Dribbling, technique, passing, and while not as crazy fast as Alphonso he is plenty fast enough.
He knows the league, and with Wolves not doing to well, hopefully we can try and get him out without paying an arm and a leg for him.
As for Davies, he has lightning quick pace, but without that what exactly does he excel at?
Dribbling, technique, crossing, passing, tackling, are all just above average to decent, it's his speed that is his main weapon.
Alvaro I fear is too slow, if he had more pace he'd be great as well.
Kerkez I see as more as a traditional LB than a wide player in an Amorim system.
Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be upset at getting Davies, but if the 200-250k a week rumours are true, I think Ait-Nouri would be a better deal for a potentially better player if given the chance in a top team.
He knows the league, and with Wolves not doing to well, hopefully we can try and get him out without paying an arm and a leg for him.
As for Davies, he has lightning quick pace, but without that what exactly does he excel at?
Dribbling, technique, crossing, passing, tackling, are all just above average to decent, it's his speed that is his main weapon.
Alvaro I fear is too slow, if he had more pace he'd be great as well.
Kerkez I see as more as a traditional LB than a wide player in an Amorim system.
Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be upset at getting Davies, but if the 200-250k a week rumours are true, I think Ait-Nouri would be a better deal for a potentially better player if given the chance in a top team.
Certainly flawed defensively but I wouldn't class him as terrible.
Yeah would lay a bet on him being fit as long as we are looking decent, the second things look like they are dodgy he will be back on the physio table, ultimate fair weather player, Mourinho called him on it, don't like a manager calling out players but I also think Mourinho was genuine in what he said
Could also be that a fit Shaw is a reason that we look decent. When he is fit, he is a very good player after all.
Its a shame that he is, on average, only fit and good 50% of the time.
I think that’s the similarity I’m referring to.
Why would you say that? He is not injury prone..
He missed 4 matches due to injury the entirety of last season and hasn't missed any yet so far this season.
That would make him the least injury prone FB in our team with Dalot
Chelsea scummer
Davies and Tchouameni next summer. Changes our whole ambitions as a football team next summer.
Not necessarily - I think if we do go after Davies, then Shaw's role is to provide a rotation option among the back 3. It might not just be for injuries, it could also be tactical (e.g. Martinez coming in as the central CB that can step into the midfield and play a more active role in build-up).
Having said all that, I can't see Shaw being available all that often since he'll likely get injured again so he's more a nice option to have to step in rather than benching any established first-team player.
I rather not , United needs to target players with greater footballing ability than these two .
Just name me two players in those positions that performer at a high level than those two.
I find that comment insane.
This is a very fair summary of Davies. Thank you.
He played at least 30 games per season at a club better than ours.
For us, he's world class.
People poo pooing left back options forgetting we haven't had one consistently for years. If the new gaffer wants Davies then happy days.
I would also add some other differences:
- Walker is much older
- Walker is not a left back
- Walker is not our player
I'd think you'd want someone better at attacking if it's for the LWB role?
We have 60 games a season.. so he will play 1/2?
He is not world class, an attacking LB that doesn't get goals or assists?
Again put in these alternative Left backs that are better and doing better?
It’s like most of you believe Antonie Robinson from Fulham is better than bloody Alphonso Davies.
Oh go on then.
No one said that... also paying 250-300k a week for a LB plus his signing on bonus... for what?
His pace?
There is a MASSIVE difference between World class what you believe he is to Robinson.
One is one 220k and one is on 50k.. No one has said Robinson is better.
Robinson clearly was a reference. The pay difference is because Davies is better. That’s what should happen. I wouldn’t expect David Beckham and Sean Davies to have similar wages.
My point was just name me the better left back left winger back who we should be getting over arguable the best wingback in the world.
I know as a fanbase we are probably scorn by the Alexis Sanchez and Di Maria deals. But as a general analysis the best clubs in the world tend to have the best players. So the least we can do is try and sign the best players.
The thing is I am not against the signing. I just dont think he is World class.
Is he good? yes. Will he improve us? Yes.
He can be a good player but not world class?
There are LWB we can get like Kerkez, Ait Nouri who are a step down to Davies but will be 3 steps down in wages.
Thread reminds me of the Mazraoui thread were 90% were against or moaning about our interest
kid would be a proper left wing back for this 343 system but i just don't see any chance he comes to united given we won't have CL for next season
Yeah and Madrid wanting him too
Yeah 3 steps down in wage but you're paying 50 mill for players in the Prem. I'm sure it evens out
It certainly does depending on how much signing on bonus he would want.
I just dont think we will get him with Madrid in the picture and us not having CL.
Yup, absolutely horrible defender. I thought that's a general consensus at this point.
People said that about Leny Yoro
Thank you for saying this.. It shows you are also one of those that put 2 and 2 together and think ohhh yes this must be it.
Let me tell you the difference...
1. Yoro was not on a free, actually Madrid wanted him to come only on a free. So difference number 1.
2. The reason we got Yoro is because we paid the £40/50m release clause and Madrid did not want to.
Madrid did not bid.. with Davies, Madrid will put an offer to him.
I hope you understand now its not the same.
At least 30 means 30 or more, 35, 40...and so on.
Do you believe Luke Shaw or Tyler Malacia get assists? or goals? or are able to play more games? Or are better than Davies?
I doubt it.
No.. which is why I would say neither Luke Shaw or Malacia are world class.
You are branding Davies as world class, yet comparing them with injuredplayers.. shows what level you actually think Davies is at.
I fail to name a LB that can currently be classed as world class. Maybe Theo? But that's about it, right? It's a bit of a sad state of affairs for fullbacks.
Thats right, there is no LB that you would say is on a world class status at the moment. Theo is good as well but not sure how good he is defensively. The reason people class Theo and Davies as potential world class is more to do with their pace.
Its interesting because Real struggling for a LB, City dont play with an auxiliary one, same with Arsenal, Robertson is ageing and declining.
There are a few young ones that could be good only time will tell I guess.