Alphonso Davies

JJ12 said:
Alphonso isn't under contract like Yoro. If he wants Real and they want him then it's doneso
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Doesn’t matter, these boys mean business and can tempt Davies towards us I reckon
 
Most Canadian kids don't dream of playing for Real Madrid.

However, they do dream of playing in the Champions league.
 
How the fk can Real fit in Trent and Davies. And even if they decide to do it then will ask him to be much more defensive which isn't perfect for him. For his own career he should stay at Bayern or find a team that suits his style.
Same as Frimpong. Same as Alonso. Who is going to change thiee team to suit thier styles? That's why a lot of teams never went for Amorim. Or Frimpong last summer. They are brilliant but you need a club willing to adjust to them
 
UpWithRivers said:
How the fk can Real fit in Trent and Davies. And even if they decide to do it then will ask him to be much more defensive which isn't perfect for him. For his own career he should stay at Bayern or find a team that suits his style.
Same as Frimpong. Same as Alonso. Who is going to change thiee team to suit thier styles? That's why a lot of teams never went for Amorim. Or Frimpong last summer. They are brilliant but you need a club willing to adjust to them
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It actually makes a lot of sense. Their midfield is too workman. Tchouameni, Valverde, Camavinga is a big step down from Casemiro, Kroos, Modric in terms of passing ability, controlling tempo, range of passing, creativity, etc. Instead they can get this from their fullbacks (like Liverpool did) and that midfield can cover for them very well.

Perhaps even, similar to Liverpool:

Courtois
Trent - Rudiger - Militao - Davies
Tchouameni
Valverde - Camavinga
Mbappe - Bellingham - Vini Jr
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I don't think it's ideal. Mbappe is the obvious weak link. But it works.
 
UpWithRivers said:
How the fk can Real fit in Trent and Davies. And even if they decide to do it then will ask him to be much more defensive which isn't perfect for him. For his own career he should stay at Bayern or find a team that suits his style.
Same as Frimpong. Same as Alonso. Who is going to change thiee team to suit thier styles? That's why a lot of teams never went for Amorim. Or Frimpong last summer. They are brilliant but you need a club willing to adjust to them
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It can work with a hardworking midfield. Valverde, Camavinga/Tschemeni (spell), Bellingham. The full backs can provide the creativity that the midfield lacks. Kind of like peak Klopp Liverpool.

Edit: just seen the post above explains it better
 
If Amorim system at United requires a wingback we should really go for him. Cant think of a better option and he is not hell bent on joining Madrid.
 
He is the perfect signing for us in the summer transfer window. Last I felt like this for another signing was Anthony so what do I know.
 
Borussia Teeth said:
It can work with a hardworking midfield. Valverde, Camavinga/Tschemeni (spell), Bellingham. The full backs can provide the creativity that the midfield lacks. Kind of like peak Klopp Liverpool.

Edit: just seen the post above explains it better
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Yeah the difference is Klopp Liverpool had a bunch of terriers leading the line pressing all over as well, which isn't something Mbappe is going to do.

It's interesting, personally I think Madrid would be better served playing a bit more traditional in the midfield with more expansive passers/creators while just sacrificing the "pressing" they might want to do. You have enough individual quality everywhere that you don't really need some super structured system, and you'd suit Vini and Mbappe staying high up the pitch anyways as long as you have the rangey passers to find them.

However, that probably means sacrificing Fede at the minimum, who is the lifeblood of that team and has been a top performer for a few years now so I doubt it happens. The real answer is that Perez cocked up the balance of the squad a bit with his Mbappe obsession, especially once it was obvious he already had a superstar LW in Vini.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Every child in the world that plays football, dreams of playing for Real Madrid.
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Nobody from England grows up dreaming of playing for Real Madrid. Well not in my day. I would assume the Canadian culture to be very similar to here too.

English speaking countries I would very much assume are premier league followers.
 
3KDré said:
It actually makes a lot of sense. Their midfield is too workman. Tchouameni, Valverde, Camavinga is a big step down from Casemiro, Kroos, Modric in terms of passing ability, controlling tempo, range of passing, creativity, etc. Instead they can get this from their fullbacks (like Liverpool did) and that midfield can cover for them very well.

Perhaps even, similar to Liverpool:

Courtois
Trent - Rudiger - Militao - Davies
Tchouameni
Valverde - Camavinga
Mbappe - Bellingham - Vini Jr
​
I don't think it's ideal. Mbappe is the obvious weak link. But it works.
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Except that Davies's strengths are by no means his passing ability and his creativity. He is good there, but not excellent. His strength is his cheat code pace.

RedDevilCanuck said:
Most Canadian kids don't dream of playing for Real Madrid.

However, they do dream of playing in the Champions league.
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Uncle Mainoo said:
Nobody from England grows up dreaming of playing for Real Madrid. Well not in my day. I would assume the Canadian culture to be very similar to here too.

English speaking countries I would very much assume are premier league followers.
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The problem is that most replies ignore the second part of @RedDevilCanuck 's post. If he is not "hell bent on joining Real" and has not made his mind up yet, as @tenpoless speculates, he is probably not hell bent on leaving either, and it is likely that the decision then is between Real and staying at Bayern.
We'd need an absolutely massive wage offer, plus maybe a positive development in the next months under Ruben to make the football world turn their heads and generate some promise of where we will be next season, to be similarly attractive and get a foot in there.

But we should absolutely have a go at it, he would be an awesome signing.
 
3KDré said:
It actually makes a lot of sense. Their midfield is too workman. Tchouameni, Valverde, Camavinga is a big step down from Casemiro, Kroos, Modric in terms of passing ability, controlling tempo, range of passing, creativity, etc. Instead they can get this from their fullbacks (like Liverpool did) and that midfield can cover for them very well.

Perhaps even, similar to Liverpool:

Courtois
Trent - Rudiger - Militao - Davies
Tchouameni
Valverde - Camavinga
Mbappe - Bellingham - Vini Jr
​
I don't think it's ideal. Mbappe is the obvious weak link. But it works.
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I would have gone with
Valverde RW
Mbappe CF
Bellingham RCM

All have played in those role well

Makes a lot of sense actually.
(Much much more than Mbappe ever did)
 
United are probably the 3rd biggest club in the world, and the biggest club of the best league in the world. Ineos have also created one of the most ambitious and most exciting footballing projects currently out there.

Let's not act like any player coming here over Madrid or Bayern is only after the money, or that we would have to absolutely blow them out of the water financially, in order to be able to convince a player to come here over any other club in the world.

Yes, Madrid (and Barcelona) usually get whoever they want, if they want them, and if Davies is interested to go to either of them, then they are the favorites for his signature, without a doubt...but at the same time, United might just be the best-equipped club to compete with those two, and it's not a 0% probability that Davies could join us instead.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Every child in the world that plays football, dreams of playing for Real Madrid.
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No, they really don't. I dreamt of United, Celtic and AC Milan. Real never came into it.

Millions of British kids feel the same, Real are nothing like the draw in the UK they are on Europe.
 
This makes sense for RM if the rumours about Xabi is true though. Trent and Davies doing the job of Frimpong and Grimaldo.
 
dazjoe said:
No, they really don't. I dreamt of United, Celtic and AC Milan. Real never came into it.

Millions of British kids feel the same, Real are nothing like the draw in the UK they are on Europe.
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I'm not from the UK and me and my friends never dreamed of playing for Real. Where i'm from every kid dream of playing for one of the english teams.
 
We’ve as good a chance of getting him as we did with Yoro. Insofar as if Real penny pinch or take their eye off the ball we will probably snap him up if our interest is legitimate which I assume it is. With Barca semi fecked it’s only really us city real and psg that are going to out pay Bayern at this time. I’m surprised City aren’t making enquiries as they could use some width and pace but I guess their eggs are in Gvardiol basket who to be fair looks a good player but nothing special so far. They’ve missed prime Cancelo.

I can see this happening. Ineos will know players like this don’t often pop up for free at that age so they’ll throw the kitchen sink at him instead of spending a 50/60 million fee on someone less proven. He could slot straight in and become one of the best players in the league. With Shaw as a backup for him and Martinez still getting loads of games when he’s fit. From a sporting standpoint it’s a no brainier

I hope we go all in and keep fighting Real for the best talent out there. It seemed to me like under the glazers any time we heard Real wanted a player we just stepped back and let them at it for some reason. At least force them to pay more. If the player bombs you’ve weakened a (hopefully in the future again) CL rival
 
Ali Dia said:
We’ve as good a chance of getting him as we did with Yoro. Insofar as if Real penny pinch or take their eye off the ball we will probably snap him up if our interest is legitimate which I assume it is. With Barca semi fecked it’s only really us city real and psg that are going to out pay Bayern at this time. I’m surprised City aren’t making enquiries as they could use some width and pace but I guess their eggs are in Gvardiol basket who to be fair looks a good player but nothing special so far. They’ve missed prime Cancelo.

I can see this happening. Ineos will know players like this don’t often pop up for free at that age so they’ll throw the kitchen sink at him instead of spending a 50/60 million fee on someone less proven. He could slot straight in and become one of the best players in the league. With Shaw as a backup for him and Martinez still getting loads of games when he’s fit. From a sporting standpoint it’s a no brainier

I hope we go all in and keep fighting Real for the best talent out there. It seemed to me like under the glazers any time we heard Real wanted a player we just stepped back and let them at it for some reason. At least force them to pay more. If the player bombs you’ve weakened a (hopefully in the future again) CL rival
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The comparison is nonsensical. Yoro was a 18 year old prospect and at Lille. He was always going to transfer. Davies is already an established superstar at Bayern. He is not there to be "snapped up", really, as he has a lucrative offer to extend with them on the table as well.
As I said, we should try to go for it but it is still an uphill battle.
 
He’ll sign for Madrid. The agent noise is just because he hasn’t yet signed for Madrid.
 
Rojofiam said:
United are probably the 3rd biggest club in the world, and the biggest club of the best league in the world. Ineos have also created one of the most ambitious and most exciting footballing projects currently out there.

Let's not act like any player coming here over Madrid or Bayern is only after the money, or that we would have to absolutely blow them out of the water financially, in order to be able to convince a player to come here over any other club in the world.

Yes, Madrid (and Barcelona) usually get whoever they want, if they want them, and if Davies is interested to go to either of them, then they are the favorites for his signature, without a doubt...but at the same time, United might just be the best-equipped club to compete with those two, and it's not a 0% probability that Davies could join us instead.
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the question is whether he'd be worth that.. He's super fast and has had a great season, but the last years were underwhelming. Imo he's a bit overrated.
I get that he'd fit Amorim's system a lot and the fact that he's likely available on a free makes him attractive. But is he really worth giving a top 5 salary contract? (Which he'd demand regardless of whether we would have to beat Real to sign him or not).
 
aeh1991 said:
the question is whether he'd be worth that.. He's super fast and has had a great season, but the last years were underwhelming. Imo he's a bit overrated.
I get that he'd fit Amorim's system a lot and the fact that he's likely available on a free makes him attractive. But is he really worth giving a top 5 salary contract? (Which he'd demand regardless of whether we would have to beat Real to sign him or not).
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I know what you mean.

Personally, I'm not sure we can get him on a contract that would be worth it to us. £250k per week is around what I would offer him, and maybe the absolute limit would be a little bit above that, but I wouldn't go as far as £300k. Whether he would accept around 250k per week (right now he earns around £180k/week at Bayern) is a good question.

I also think Madrid are going to be offering him similar terms, looking at their wage bill. Anything above £266k would make Davies the 5th highest earner of their squad, so I doubt Madrid will be offering much better terms to him compared to what I imagine United could be offering.

I have no idea what kind of signing bonus he and his agent would demand, though. Maybe that's where Madrid are willing be more generous and might edge it, if both clubs seriously want him, and Davies are open to both clubs.

Bayern might also cave in and offer something similar to what Madrid or United could.

For reference, gross wages per week at Madrid and United in GBP according to Capology:

Mbappé £499k
Alaba £359k
Vinícius Jr. £332k
Bellingham £332k
Valverde £266k
Courtois £239k
Militao £233k

The rest are on £199k or below

Casemiro £350k
Fernandes £300k
Rashford £300k
Mount £250k
Antony £200k
De Ligt £195k
Maguire £190k

The rest are on £150k or below

I'd actually argue that United have way more space on their wage bill for a few high profile signings than they used to, or Madrid do at the moment, especially with Casemiro, Antony and Maguire probably not having much of a future at the club.

If Davies is a legitimate target for us, and he's not hell-bent on going to Real Madrid, a deal could be done IMO, but obviously I wouldn't consider us being anywhere near the favourites for his signature, just yet...but we'll see how this saga develops. I won't cry if we miss out on him, but he would probably be a big addition for this new system that Amorim will play.
 
For 2 wingbacks that'll transform our team we need 2 of the following 3.

Quenda from Sporting
Davies on a free
Frimpong.

Move on Shaw and Malacia.
 
Burrow said:
This makes sense for RM if the rumours about Xabi is true though. Trent and Davies doing the job of Frimpong and Grimaldo.
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Yep I agree. It'll be interesting to see how he manages to get Vini, Mbappe and Bellingham in there. I've been saying Bellingham will get managed out but I think he has a very clear role as a #10 in Alonso's system.
 
3KDré said:
It actually makes a lot of sense. Their midfield is too workman. Tchouameni, Valverde, Camavinga is a big step down from Casemiro, Kroos, Modric in terms of passing ability, controlling tempo, range of passing, creativity, etc. Instead they can get this from their fullbacks (like Liverpool did) and that midfield can cover for them very well.

Perhaps even, similar to Liverpool:

Courtois
Trent - Rudiger - Militao - Davies
Tchouameni
Valverde - Camavinga
Mbappe - Bellingham - Vini Jr
​
I don't think it's ideal. Mbappe is the obvious weak link. But it works.
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On paper it’s great but there’s soooo many egos in that team! Could be a nightmare changing room
 
3KDré said:
It actually makes a lot of sense. Their midfield is too workman. Tchouameni, Valverde, Camavinga is a big step down from Casemiro, Kroos, Modric in terms of passing ability, controlling tempo, range of passing, creativity, etc. Instead they can get this from their fullbacks (like Liverpool did) and that midfield can cover for them very well.

Perhaps even, similar to Liverpool:

Courtois
Trent - Rudiger - Militao - Davies
Tchouameni
Bellingham - Camavinga
Valverde - Mbappe - Vini Jr
​
I don't think it's ideal. Mbappe is the obvious weak link. But it works.
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I think they would be more likely to line up like this, with Rodrygo sometimes coming in on the right wing and Valverde dropping in to midfield.

Courtois
Trent - Rudiger - Militao - Davies
Tchouameni
Bellingham - Camavinga
Valverde - Mbappe - Vini Jr



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MaMa given red said:
I think they would be more likely to line up like this, with Rodrygo sometimes coming in on the right wing and Valverde dropping in to midfield.

Courtois
Trent - Rudiger - Militao - Davies
Tchouameni
Bellingham - Camavinga
Valverde - Mbappe - Vini Jr



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Yh. Whoever they start there is a lack of creativity, passing range and Mbappe is a problem. I wonder how they will sort that out. I wonder if they go for Enzo.
 
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