Shout out to the posters who wanted to sell him. Clueless
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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Yeah he's one for our future, so much potential
The praise in this thread seems a bit over the top to me.
We're so starved for excitement that it's easy to see why he stands out, but his end product is awful. He put in a nice cross for the goal, but apart from that repeatedly played the ball in to the box to nobody, the exceptions being a shot that ended up in row Z and a 1 on 1 with a simple square ball as an alternative that he scuffed into the side netting.
In an ideal world, he'd be an impact substitute we could bring on late to run at tired defenders, as he has a much lower success rate when starting. He's a useful wildcard, but he'll have to improve his decision making by orders of magnitude to ever good enough for a top team.
We're so starved for excitement that it's easy to see why he stands out, but his end product is awful. He put in a nice cross for the goal, but apart from that repeatedly played the ball in to the box to nobody, the exceptions being a shot that ended up in row Z and a 1 on 1 with a simple square ball as an alternative that he scuffed into the side netting.
In an ideal world, he'd be an impact substitute we could bring on late to run at tired defenders, as he has a much lower success rate when starting. He's a useful wildcard, but he'll have to improve his decision making by orders of magnitude to ever good enough for a top team.
I have been frustrated with his lack of application prior to this match and I am sure will be frustrated with him in the future. However, we have no business selling a talent of this kind at this stage of his career. If after 3 years he is still as frustrating, then fair enough, let’s cash in. Not now though and especially not because he apparently doesn’t suit a ‘system’.
Unlike basically everyone else on our team, he actually moves around and makes things happen
Good performance. Shame he took an extra touch before his shot was cleared off the line, but easily our best outlet second half.
I’d counter that with not only Garnacho cut it back to the penalty spot area time and time again, Dalot and Drogu did also. Why is no one using their brain and hanging around there?
Jeez, I used to do that at high school, got me top scorer that year!
This end product thing, where did i hear it before?? Oh yea, 2003 to 2006 for a certain no 7. Nowadays, because of what he went on to achieve, alot of his fans rewrite history claiming he was great as a teenager and had amazing talent etc when the truth is that he faced a tone of criticism for over-indulgence, wastefulness, poor decision making and poor end product. He massively improved on those and focused on end product to become what he eventually did.
I'm not saying that he will go on to achieve what Ronaldo did but he may still go on to have a good to very good career if he works hard and becomes consistent. Given his young age, i'd be patient. If he was 23, than selling him would be the right decision but not yet.
I reckon he is better from the bench when opposition legs are gone, that’s how I like his directness. His biggest strength is his movement in behind unlike our N9, always has 1vs1 with the keeper it seems so he needs to improve his finishing drastically to become a great goalscorer from wide. And he should understand by now that his crossing is better than his shooting at the moment, so use it more please.
Still shouldn’t be starting week and week out. I think Amorim handles him very well.
Still shouldn’t be starting week and week out. I think Amorim handles him very well.
The point remains though, that he plays the ball in blind, as he isn't able to get his head up to see where his teammates are.
It's rinse and repeat, even when he has the beating of his fullback; get the ball, head down, play it low into the box without looking or occasionally cut inside and take a really low percentage shot.
You'll have heard the end product thing plenty of times for plenty of other players since then, and they're mostly true statements. Ronaldo is an exception, partly because of his incredible work ethic and partly because of his incredible physical attributes. Even if Garnacho can emulate the former, he's miles away from the latter.
It definitely wasn't the fck you performance the responses seems to be angling to. Anyone of those blind crosses could have led to us getting countered on the other end. In an ideal world he'd be a squad player not some world class star. Decision-wise he's probably worse than Rashford was at the same age and I don't know many players who have fixed footballing IQ this shakey.
That being said I think he's tailormade for 'throw the sink' situations where no attack is a bad one. Bruno too is really good in those situations.
Absolutely agree. Under any other manager he'd either start every week (ETH) or just getting benched all the time. Amorim seems to give him enough starts to not become unhappy, yet using him more effectively as a sub.
For the record, if he’s just as frustrating 3 years from now you will get a third of what teams were offering now.
Yeah his role today is probably the ideal one. People are acting like it was Ronaldo vs Bolton type stuff but he really just provided the energy that Mainoo absolutely did not, and put in some very nice crosses from the byline.
That shot on goal was Sunday league level stuff though, both decision wise and execution. Has to clean that up.
Also Ronaldo had freakish ability on the ball as well for his size/athleticism. He wasn’t just a kick and run player.
Makes me sad that if the right price had of come in for him they’d of sold him, he should be part of our future, he really could become on hell of a tidy player!
The ‘simple square ball’ wasn’t on at all. Hojlund’s run was dogshit and their centre half was very well placed. Garnacho was absolutely right to shoot from there.
If you can’t look at that Garnacho performance through an objective lens then you’re wasting your time in here.
Only player who can actually beat a man and create something
Unfortunately he is the best option for a decent amount of PSR headroom for the summer so I think that he is likely to be sold so that other signings can be made as not really sure how else we are going to generate funds - other than Rashford (possibly) what sales are going to generate any decent amount?
Amad was the one who should have been picked out in that spot. A hard ball across from Garnacho would have cut out both the defender and Hojlund but Amad was completely open at the back post behind them to get a tap in.
Garnacho had a good match when he came on but that was the one time he did make a mess of it.
Funnily this was what everyone said he couldn't as an argument to sell him when there were the first transfer rumors. Glad that he could turn it round.
We would have been incredibly stupid to sell him.
Incredibly frustrating with his end product at times but he’s always lively in the final third.
Incredibly frustrating with his end product at times but he’s always lively in the final third.
It wasn’t a simple square ball and it wasn’t getting to Hojlund as the defender would have blocked it . However Amad was at the back post so a simple dink might have been the better option.
He has the dog in him.
I’d like to see replays to see IF he looks first (as I think this narrative is becoming a lazy one for him) and IF the other players are in a position for him to pass to anyway.
One of the first things we were taught at football was to always be aware of what is around us. So I don't doubt professional footballers will know this.
What often gets forgotten though, making it a lazy narrative, is that in training and once you get to know your team mates you don't need to "look first" with some plays.
What I mean is Rooneys cross field passes to Valencia looked brilliant but didn't need as .much skill as people think. Reason being Valencia was ever present there and was moving. Rooney in essence could blindly boot he ball into that area and knowing Valencia would get it. It didn't have to be to feet etc just in a certain space.
Yesterday the balls cut back into the opposition box were wasteful as there was no player there. This isn't bad wing play it's the number 10 and maybe a MF either doing their job wrong or simply not keeping up with play. The emphasis here shouldn't be on Garnacho, in this case, not looking but on why our players aren't in the box.
INEOS wanted rid of the dog though, they’d much rather a bunch of pussies.
Imagine we sold him for 60m this past window? Christ.
I know there is talk of PSR and money issues currently at UTD and I do recall the whole everyone is up for sale stuff.
However I do wonder if it was ever real that we really wanted rid of Nacho?
Now I don't mean we wouldn't have per se. What I mean is at the time was it more of a threat to get certain players to buck up their ideas? A ploy/strategy to get Nacho focussed?
Didn't work with Marcus obviously but Nacho does seem to have settled and Amorim is complementary of him. Although he does call him Garnash.
Totally agree, Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard, would all have had the intelligence to understand what was happening and get on the end of those cut backs.
I genuinely think if Chelsea or Napoli had offered anything north of £60m they’d have sold him. Which would’ve been incredibly dumb considering the stage of the window we were in and it would’ve been nigh on impossible to find a suitable replacement. If an offer like that came at the start of the summer I could sort of understand it, it would massively help out with PSR and there would be far more time and options available in terms of replacements that could genuinely improve us.
I’m very happy it didn’t materialise in the end, we’d be in an even worse state than we currently are and we’re rancid! It’s a fecking sorry state of affairs that we’ve even got to this point where we have to consider selling our brightest academy talent because we’re an absolute shambles financially.
I've watched a few replays of his recent crosses and it's very rare I've seen him take a look, his cross for our goal for example I didn't see him look up once.
Even when he does look up to cross, it's a split second before he's playing the ball in, as his dribbling is always head down.
You're a bit premature throwing around accusations of a lack of objectivity. Maybe it's projection.
Given Garnacho's awful shooting record, it's arguable that he isn't "right" to be shooting from anywhere.
His finishing is terrible, but also offers such huge grounds for optimism.
Changed the game last night, as I’m sure has been said multiple times already!
Changed the game last night, as I’m sure has been said multiple times already!
This is what I said yesterday when watching the match
when the guy is doing a cutback in exactly the same area 3 or 4 times with no defender in that space to clear the ball then why on earth aren't out players recognising and occupying that position
It's a bit of both. Zirkzee and Hojlund have the superpower to conveniently never be in the right spot but Garnacho also has to learn the difference between passing into open space and passing into empty space
Good point. What is patience-gruelling for us atm is that Rooney was an established top class player and Valencia was an experienced player both playing in a set-up that had been worked on and tweaked on for years, with players like Carrick, Berbatov, Scholes, Nani around who had all been around the track a few times, and a defence that knew each other like soul mates.
We have an attack of five 18-22 year olds with less individual experience each than Rooney had when he came to United at 18, and with less combined minutes together than Rooney and Valencia had spent playing chess in the hotel lobby.
And they’re gonna ‘gel’ into a tactic that is being implemented by the hour, where the attacking movements will always be the last and most complicated part of the puzzle.
We have chosen to go the long way round, and it’s gonna look disjointed a whole lot, and the kids are gonna look like idiots a whole lot.