[RuudTom83]

He's not. Genuine question, in this team would you start Garnacho over Grealish?

It should be an easy answer (especially when one cost 100 million) but it's really close as to who I would start more regularly.

I'd be far more confident in Garnacho scoring more goals than Jack, but Grealish would keep the ball and fall over more...but United are terrible at set-pieces.

So it's a tricky one.

 

[Lyng]

He's not. Genuine question, in this team would you start Garnacho over Grealish?

Absolutely. I don't see Grealish being effective in Amorims system

 

[dubplate warrior]

Absolutely. I don't see Grealish being effective in Amorims system

Grealish as an inverted 10 would be great.

 

[Lyng]

Grealish as an inverted 10 would be great.

Does he have the intensity though? I don't think he does

 

[soapythecat]

Something about Garnacho that I’m starting to dislike. Comes across as a bit of a dick and if the stuff about his brother being responsible for the team leaks (I’ve not looked beyond Twitter talk), then it’s not great.
He’s a hugely sellable asset and, like Rashford, I’d be delighted if we sold him for a good profit. He’s not going to flourish in this system so why not make use of his value.

 

[Bon1803]

Hate this kind of thinking. Are we not allowed to think our players are crap?

Fully entitled to an opinion but some of the stuff borders on hatred. It even feels like some want to see him fail to justify the comments they make.

He may never live up to his billing by some but he’s a decent player and certainly has time to improve.

 

[dubplate warrior]

Fully entitled to an opinion but some of the stuff borders on hatred. It even feels like some want to see him fail to justify the comments they make.

He may never live up to his billing by some but he’s a decent player and certainly has time to improve.

Yeah fair enough, it should never be personal or hatred. I think people take their frustration too far.

Still think he's bobbins.

 

[dubplate warrior]

Does he have the intensity though? I don't think he does

That's a fair point, I'd argue he's probably stronger than Nacho and in terms of everything you could do with the actual football he is far superior.

We need to find a balance between tenacity and technique.

 

[SparkedIntoLife]

His numbers are pretty good for someone his age. He works very hard and can put in a shift defensively too. It's the decision making and some aspects of his attitude that worry me. I think there's enough talent there to justify persisting with him; especially with some tough love. I don't see a ready made spot for him in Amorim's team but I suppose his best bet currently is to be Bruno's backup in the left sided number 10 role. See how he does as an impact sub, see if Amorim can help him iron out his decision making and personality issues but be ready to move him on if he doesn't look like a good fit. He could certainly command a decent fee.

 

[joedirt87]

His selfishness probably comes from being a young talented confident player, and also the incredible amount of reliance on moments fc/hero ball we’ve needed to score goals the last couple seasons. That’s on Amorim to develop a much better attacking system and the player to adapt to it.

 

[Trex]

He's currently on low wages and very young, if rumours are true about the club wanting to sell Rashford. Then Garnacho would be a decent option to have off the bench when Rashford is replaced by a more suitable profile.

 

[dubplate warrior]

His numbers are pretty good for someone his age. He works very hard and can put in a shift defensively too. It's the decision making and some aspects of his attitude that worry me. I think there's enough talent there to justify persisting with him; especially with some tough love. I don't see a ready made spot for him in Amorim's team but I suppose his best bet currently is to be Bruno's backup in the left sided number 10 role. See how he does as an impact sub, see if Amorim can help him iron out his decision making and personality issues but be ready to move him on if he doesn't look like a good fit. He could certainly command a decent fee.

The numbers sometimes overshadow something far more important in the long term, performances.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

The numbers sometimes overshadow something far more important in the long term, performances.

They are overshadowing the feck out of it this season for sure.

His underlying metrics are garbage so far this year.

 

[Rojofiam]

Garnacho is a great talent.
Grealish is absurdly overrated by english fans

Grealish is an elite level talent. Although he hasn't been able to show that at City. And I don't like his "I'm dumb and an alcoholic" gimmick and how it apparently makes him so likeable. He seems like a prick to me instead. But Garnacho is a much much more inferior player.

 

[Canucantona20]

He's not. Genuine question, in this team would you start Garnacho over Grealish?

For our new system, Grealish would be class in the 10 role

 

[DannyCAFC]

He's not. Genuine question, in this team would you start Garnacho over Grealish?

Oh the sheer irony of this - where was Grealish at the age of 19, 20?

Basically in pretty much the exact same sort spot (if not further back considering he stayed at Villa when they went down), and yet you're writing Garnacho off. Odd.

 

[dubplate warrior]

Oh the sheer irony of this - where was Grealish at the age of 19, 20?

Basically in pretty much the exact same sort spot (if not further back considering he stayed at Villa when they went down), and yet you're writing Garnacho off. Odd.

You haven't answered the question but just gone off on a random tangent. Way to go champ.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

God i genuinely hate our fans.

Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.

Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.

If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.

Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.

 

[dubplate warrior]

God i genuinely hate our fans.

Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.

Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.

If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.

Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.

Best thing you could do is support another club then. Not sure why you'd bother signing up on a fans forum either if you hate us all so much.

I've seen Charlie Adams score from the halfway line, doesn't mean he should play for Man United does it. I don't think anyone with a straight face would think he's the best U21 player in the world. He's not even the best in the team.

 

[Lyng]

Grealish is an elite level talent. Although he hasn't been able to show that at City. And I don't like his "I'm dumb and an alcoholic" gimmick and how it apparently makes him so likeable. He seems like a prick to me instead. But Garnacho is a much much more inferior player.

People really use the word elite to much

 

[E-mal]

God i genuinely hate our fans.

Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.

Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.

If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.

Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.

He doesn’t, at least not in this system

 

[DannyCAFC]

You haven't answered the question but just gone off on a random tangent. Way to go champ.

I'm not sure how that's a random tangent exactly, it's a rather valid point about the comparison. The 'random tangent' is why we're for some reason discussing Grealish vs Garnacho in the first place.

I didn't answer because it's a dumb question. Grealish is 10 years older and has played over 4x as many senior minutes. Of course he's a better player because in a comparison of two highly-talented footballers, he's far developed. Garnacho is very unlikely to be a finished product.

 

[dubplate warrior]

I'm not sure how that's a random tangent exactly, it's a rather valid point about the comparison. The 'random tangent' is why we're for some reason discussing Grealish vs Garnacho in the first place.

I didn't answer because it's a dumb question. Grealish is 10 years older and has played over 4x as many senior minutes. Of course he's a better player because he's more developed. Garnacho is very unlikely to be a finished product.

I asked if you would start one over the other and you decided to talk about where they were at a certain point in their careers. Nothing to do with the here and now.

Garnacho has nowhere near the same level of ability as Grealish. He never will either.

 

[DannyCAFC]

I asked if you would start one over the other and you decided to talk about where they were on their careers. Nothing to do with the here and now.

And what is the point your trying to make exactly?

 

[Vidooq]

God i genuinely hate our fans.

Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.

Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.

If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.

Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.

Scoring a worldie it's not a determinant for a world-class player or ability. One of the best goals in the PL history was scored by Pajtim Kasami, aged 21 at the time, playing for Fulham. He is now playing in Italy League 2. Garnacho is not the best-performing player under 21, Lamine Yamal is. I mean, you can see the gulf between the 2 wingers.

You can not call somebody vile, just because they don't agree with you, or have facts to claim the opposite of what you are saying. Every sane fan here wants to see more consistency and improved decision-making from him. The fact that most fans here are aware or his age is the reason he is not getting the Marcus Rashford treatment.

 

[elisha27]

Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.

This season, he has the worst dribble success rate in the league (21.6%), on top of 3 league goals from 36 shots (2.8% conversion rate). This is the most performant under 21 player in the world?

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

God i genuinely hate our fans.

Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.

Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.

If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.

Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.

Then leave. No one is stopping you. Just because your feelings are hurt because some don’t rate Garnacho at the highest level doesn’t make supporters “vile”

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Scoring a worldie it's not a determinant for a world-class player or ability. One of the best goals in the PL history was scored by Pajtim Kasami, aged 21 at the time, playing for Fulham. He is now playing in Italy League 2. Garnacho is not the best-performing player under 21, Lamine Yamal is. I mean, you can see the gulf between the 2 wingers.

You can not call somebody vile, just because they don't agree with you, or have facts to claim the opposite of what you are saying. Every sane fan here wants to see more consistency and improved decision-making from him. The fact that most fans here are aware or his age is the reason he is not getting the Marcus Rashford treatment.

It’s should also be said: Rashford was treated like royalty for years by the fanbase and it only really turned in a major way in the last year or so when he refused to run at all in the second ETH season.

 

[kaku06]

God i genuinely hate our fans.

Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.

What a dumb logic.

Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.

That’s Lamine yamal and he’s miles better than Garnacho. Also, way younger than him.

If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.

Leave then. The door is open and no one is stopping you.

Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.

What an absolute car crash is this whole post.

 

[Canucantona20]

God i genuinely hate our fans.

Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.

Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.

If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.

Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.

1. There’s been a lot of good goals scored by young players who amounted to nothing in football.

2. Yamal, Musiala, Wirtz are all better than him

3. The fans have a right to criticise an underperforming player.

 

[Red in STL]

1. There’s been a lot of good goals scored by young players who amounted to nothing in football.

2. Yamal, Musiala, Wirtz are all better than him

3. The fans have a right to criticise an underperforming player.

3. Indeed they do have that right though a lot of it is a bit overboard if you ask me, the problem with Garnacho seems to be that he's regressed rather than kicked on and that's fair, his social media stuff doesn't help either, it makes him look bad IMO

 

[Big Ben Foster]

God i genuinely hate our fans.

Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.

Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.

If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.

Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.

Top Fan over here, everyone get a load of this guy!

 

[L1nk]

Top Fan over here, everyone get a load of this guy!

Mind you this is a guy camped in the Hojlund thread basically saying the same thing about him that he's complaining about in this thread. That Hojlund is trash, we only bought him cause he's Scandinavian and should be sold to the Championship and so on.

 

[dubplate warrior]

Mind you this is a guy camped in the Hojlund thread basically saying the same thing about him that he's complaining about in this thread. That Hojlund is trash, we only bought him cause he's Scandinavian and should be sold to the Championship and so on.

It's probably Garnachos brother.

 

[Hoof the ball]

I'll reiterate this stat line because only one person bothered to acknowledge it prior.

He is in the bottom 5% of players who play in either AM or on the wing, for progressive passes, in the last 365 days in the top five leagues.

I'll say that one more time so we can grasp why the team struggles to score.

He is in the bottom 5% in progressive passes in the top five leagues. Not 50%, or bottom 30%, but bottom 5%!!!

Let that sink in.

You ask why, despite his goal contributions, we're poor in attack still? Why Hojlund has one of the lowest shots per game stats?

Helloooooooooo!

 

[Tom Van Persie]

The talent is obviously there he just needs to get his head down and improve his decision making which will hopefully come with good coaching and experience. A lot of the criticism is fair but feel like some are going over the top with it.

Also this is awesome.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

God i genuinely hate our fans.

Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.

Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.

If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.

Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.

It has been debunked time and time again.

The very suggestion that Garnacho is performing to a higher level than Lamine Yamal should be a banable offence.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

The talent is obviously there he just needs to get his head down and improve his decision making which will hopefully come with good coaching and experience. A lot of the criticism is fair but feel like some are going over the top with it.

Also this is awesome.

Is it? Is it obviously there?

This point keeps getting regurgitated like it's obvious but I'm not sure it's true.

This looks scarily like an Antony clone metrics wise. Shooting a feck-ton with okayish results, poor creatively, poor passing in general (almost nonexistent), and really bad take on stats (which if he was uber talented you'd expect to be higher). And this is for his past calender year to the date, his metrics strictly from this season look even worse comparitively. If you're a winger that can't pass/cross/create much nor do you threaten fullbacks 1v1, it becomes very difficult to have a consistent positive impact on the game if you aren't directly scoring. I don't think it's just "decision making" that's his issue like it was for a young Rashford. I just think Garnacho is more limited than people realize. He's sort of a worse version of Martinelli right now.

 

[Hoof the ball]

It has been debunked time and time again.

The very suggestion that Garnacho is performing to a higher level than Lamine Yamal should be a banable offence.

He can't possibly be insinuating that Garnacho is better right now than (arguably) the world's best winger (on present season form)?

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

I'll reiterate this stat line because only one person bothered to acknowledge it prior.

He is in the bottom 5% of players who play in either AM or on the wing, for progressive passes, in the last 365 days in the top five leagues.

I'll say that one more time so we can grasp why the team struggles to score.

He is in the bottom 5% in progressive passes in the top five leagues. Not 50%, or bottom 30%, but bottom 5%!!!

Let that sink in.

You ask why, despite his goal contributions, we're poor in attack still? Why Hojlund has one of the lowest shots per game stats?

Helloooooooooo!

He's also the worst winger in the premier league this season for dribble success % rate 21.6%

He's statistically close to Dan James and that's no exaggeration.