Spicy Dan James. I'm feel cringey hearing the fans giving him the song we gave Ronaldo. I can't bring myself to sing it.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 25
- Goals
- 8
- Assists
- 4
- Yellow cards
- 1
How much do you reckon we could sell him for in the summer window? Needs to be moved on sooner rather than later. Fans get too sentimental with youth players. He's not one for the future.
Amorim needs to tweak his system to get the best out of Garnacho.
He’s a top quality prospect and one of the last players we should be looking to move on at the moment.
He’s a top quality prospect and one of the last players we should be looking to move on at the moment.
Or maybe…work with me here…maybe Garnacho works on his fundamentals and decisions making? Radical I know
Too much too soon for him. There’s decent player there but this is what happens when you have potential perennial underperforms as his seniors. No competition for places
Some of these replies read like the fans have asked Garnacho to run upside down
- Keep the ball.
- Make better decisions when the shot isn’t on.
- Maybe beat a man occasionally.
- Put in effort commensurate with a young player trying to establish himself at the biggest club in the world.
This new wave of *insert player name* FC needs to go already. We are Manchester United fans first. We’ve survived loosing greater players than this underperforming bunch.
- Keep the ball.
- Make better decisions when the shot isn’t on.
- Maybe beat a man occasionally.
- Put in effort commensurate with a young player trying to establish himself at the biggest club in the world.
This new wave of *insert player name* FC needs to go already. We are Manchester United fans first. We’ve survived loosing greater players than this underperforming bunch.
God i genuinely hate our fans.
Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.
Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.
If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.
Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.
It's this part that annoys me lately with MU.... "no we have to keep, incase bla bla...". No we don't, we need players that can consistently perform and make us a winning team again. For 10 years now we've been "yeah but what if this player does that or turns into this" and look where the feck we are.
And also, I don't care at all if a player goes somewhere else and is suddenly playing well. He wasn't playing well for us. That's the reason most of us want that player gone, not because there's an agenda. It's plain and simple, the player(s) aren't benefiting the team.
Edit: some might have an agenda, but those aren't MU fans in my eyes. Those are people who rather want to be able to say "see, I told you so!" rather than actually hope a player turns out good.
Edit 2: also, also.. this rant wasn't necessarily about Garnacho, he might turn out good he's only 20yrs old. But atm, he's not showing signs of being able to play in this system. So if Amorim wants to get rid and replace him with someone who does fit, why not?? It benefits the team.
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20 years old, in a dog shit team. Still scored 8 goals for us. He should be forgiven for his inconsistency and immaturity at this stage. I just hope he isnt ruined by the sludge of negativity that this club piles on you.
2 goals vs Barnsley in the league cup, not even a championship team. 1 goal vs Leicester in the league cup and they rested 9 starting players.
Premier league goals have been a 90th minute tap in vs bottom of the table southampton in a game we're already winning 2-0, and a last minute goal vs Leicester in a game we were already winning 2-0 where he refused to celebrate.
1 goal vs Brentford and then 1 Europa league goal vs Glint.
His underlying numbers are appalling. Bottom 5% of forwards for progressive passes, least successful dribbles of wingers in the premier league etc. But hey he scored 2 vs Barnsley so he must be Cristiano 2.0.
God i genuinely hate our fans.
Literally scored the best PL goal ive seen at the age of 19 but he apparently doesnt have the ability to be a top footballer.
Its been said time and time again - he is the most performing under 21 player in the world.
If i had known our fans were this vile i would have never supported this club.
Easily the worst thing about this club is not the players, not the managers but its disgusting fanbase.
That whole song and dance would be more effective if you weren't busy shitting on a different young United player
Any specific reason why Garnacho is getting so much criticism all of a sudden? Twitter accounts which tweets regularly about defending specific player, is posting against Garnacho and scrutinising every pass he is making. Howson is making a video accusing him of leaking team sheet. Bunch of newbies posting regularly here attacking Garnacho non stop.
Is he setting the world alight? Absolutely not. But is he our major problem? He isnt even on massive wages and playing because Amorim is selecting him above other players. The whole agenda against him seems like well engineered PR move. Is he the biggest issue right now that needs so much scrutiny? I have never seen a 20 year old academy product getting this much hate from our fans on every social media platform
Is he setting the world alight? Absolutely not. But is he our major problem? He isnt even on massive wages and playing because Amorim is selecting him above other players. The whole agenda against him seems like well engineered PR move. Is he the biggest issue right now that needs so much scrutiny? I have never seen a 20 year old academy product getting this much hate from our fans on every social media platform
Id imagine he is doing this, let's bear in mind the guys 20 years old and still learning his trade. Not many players are the complete package at 20, most of not all are still learning.
It baffles me that some United players get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to making mistakes, yet some others get vilified, picked apart and torn to shreds even when they are performing, if they make a few mistakes.
Jesus wept
He's a decent talent and a very hard working player so he should be given time. You don't change your entire system to accommodate his clear deficiencies.
We need the right players for the system. Garnacho has to adapt or it won’t work out for him. This idea that we have a duty to cater fully to certain players is silly. Things like close control, decision making, passing etc it’s not like he can get away with being a great player whilst not developing those to a high level just because of a 4231.
Despite his lack of decision-making and finishing, he is often our most threatful player. And in contrast to Hojlund or Rashford he at least gets into scoring positions regularly. Only problem is that he carries way too much responsibility on his shoulders for a 20 year old. He should be more of a rotation player who is still being introduced more and more to the team. No reason for hate though.
Glad i made you guys itch!
I dont support United for its fan base and i never ever will. its vile as seen with is social meda bullying of Maguire and Rashford even if the need to leave. With the players its like a drug i cannot stop now taking because im so addicted to it but if i knew about the side effects like its disgusting fans then id support another club for sure. Just a drug now that cant be stopped just as the other fans constantly bully our players.
@Lyng
I support all United players and have never bullied anyone. I always wish Hojlund proves me wrong but he doesnt. Especially when players that cost us 70 million pounds to score or play well against bromo, i just want to get our money back Just as people wanted to get money back on Sancho & Antony asap! Garnacho is much a better prospect than Hojlund and had much more influential moments over Hojlund scoring against Bromo or newport county or Brentford imo.
Theres like 20 people off the top of my head that dont see it with Hojlund and like 3 who constantly support him no matter what.
Nah, we need players who suit Amorim.
If the player was a world beater or destined for great things I could understand the logic. But he's nowhere near that.
Is he a good player? Yes, we have seen the potential
Can he get better/do things better? Certainly, he needs to work on himself more
Can he get better/do things better? Certainly, he needs to work on himself more
For a club thats supposed to be number one for young players we sure dont have a fkn clue. We have to set young players up to succeed. That means -
A) Make sure that he is a right fit for the system.
B) Make sure he's ready and not just decide he's first choice or a main players.
Does he fit any of that criteria? No. Problem is that Rashford sht the bed and Garnacho was forced in too fast too soon. And now that's compounded by the fact he is not a 10 and never will be. He can be a class player and we still should sell him. Both statements can be true
A) Make sure that he is a right fit for the system.
B) Make sure he's ready and not just decide he's first choice or a main players.
Does he fit any of that criteria? No. Problem is that Rashford sht the bed and Garnacho was forced in too fast too soon. And now that's compounded by the fact he is not a 10 and never will be. He can be a class player and we still should sell him. Both statements can be true
There's definitely a pile on going on at the moment. Twitter is convinced it's Garnacho that is leaking the teams because his brother is affiliated with some United fan accounts.
Can you imagine Ronaldo coming through now? He used to get a lot of the same stick Garnacho gets and that was 20 years ago. Would be 10x worse now.
Such a lazy comparison. Ronaldo was annoying in many ways but boy oh boy would he regularly take your breath away.
I'm not comparing him to Garnacho in terms of ability. I'm speaking in general, fans are a lot less patient with raw talents.
I’m firmly in this boat, personally think the same of any player, if they aren’t right for the system or can’t show the basic fundamentals I feel like we should move on and put someone in there who can.
In terms of Garnacho if Atletico fancy doing another Alvarez and pay us 100 million I would happily show him the door and spend the whole fee on Wirtz.
People saying sell him are hilarious, works his arse off and has end product. Get behind him he's 20 years old!!!
Has everyone forgotten the FA cup final already? He scored one and then had a massive part in the second goal as well, plus he was one of our top goalscorers last year. The petulance and impatience shown by it so called fans is downright pathetic. Players like Rashford I understand people wanting him to go as he's had years of it but Garnacho is still a young player barely out of his teens.
People need to get a grip.
Has everyone forgotten the FA cup final already? He scored one and then had a massive part in the second goal as well, plus he was one of our top goalscorers last year. The petulance and impatience shown by it so called fans is downright pathetic. Players like Rashford I understand people wanting him to go as he's had years of it but Garnacho is still a young player barely out of his teens.
People need to get a grip.
I can confirm that Ronaldo was 100% getting similar criticisms to Garnacho when he was a similar age. This thread was started when he was a year older than Garnacho is now.
In the previous season (equivalent to current one for Garnacho) Ronaldo had 12 goals and 8 assists in all competitions. Garnacho is less than half way through this season and already on track to comfortably beat that total (8 and 4 so far) And it goes without saying that the 05/06 version of United was a much better team to play in for young attacking footballers than end stage Ten Haag.
I think many of you have a really unrealistic view on what makes success. Not every academy player has to become a Scholes, Giggs or Beckham to be successful. It’s not black and white.
So someone like Garnacho, picked up for a few hundred thousand aged 15 and now a first team squad player and international at 20, well guess what. That’s a success whatever he becomes.
He’s now worth a significant amount of money if we decide to move him on, or still a valuable young squad player, who may continue to develop, if we keep him.
So someone like Garnacho, picked up for a few hundred thousand aged 15 and now a first team squad player and international at 20, well guess what. That’s a success whatever he becomes.
He’s now worth a significant amount of money if we decide to move him on, or still a valuable young squad player, who may continue to develop, if we keep him.
Great point, he is absolutely evidence of success of our academy and also strategy (which has now been hampered by brexit) of targeting younger players.
That troll who went viral was right, needs to work on his game.
He should be an impact sub but we can't rely on Rashford either.
He should be an impact sub but we can't rely on Rashford either.
Honestly think he's never going to be very good. His decision making, creativity, tackling, passing and crossing are piss poor. He can sometimes score a nice goal and that's about it. I would move him on regardless of other issues.
Great post! This is why the club will continue to invest in the academy moving forward. Even players that don't end up making it here we can still move on for decent money i.e Elanga.
Re his goalscoring exploits, don't forget he'd have another goal v Brighton if not for Zirkzee.
Agreed, having a player who can score a good goal on the odd occasion is not good enough.
We need someone who will be consistently good, I mean he can't even beat a man, he always trips himself up and runs into defenders 8/10 times he dribbles.
Yeah, he must be the next Ronaldo. That wasnt a massive jump or anything. Reading comprehension isnt your strong suite I take it.
The amount of attention Faz got for that is mental.
Short sighted and really rudimentary take. He's been crap and the numbers are papering over some shocking performances.
For every good goal I can give you ten terrible performances. He's been a starter for one of the worst attacks in the league.
I've watched Dibling from Southampton several times now, he's performed better in those games than anything I've seen from Garnacho. His numbers probably aren't as good, but I'd say he's already a better player.
I'm sure he used to dribble and beat people in the youth team?
We should definitely have Dibling on our radar, he looks quality,
I didn’t say change I said tweak.
People saying sell him.. sweet christ, come on.. Hes a young raw player with tonnes of potential. Has shown what he is capable of.
he needs guidance on his workrate, decision making and attitude. If he knuckles down and properly works on them he could be a hell of a player.
I will say though, if he thinks he's already the finished product, and decides he's not arsed with working on any of them, then yeah, thats when we get serious and think about moving him on.
His attitude def seems to be an increasing problem, someone in that dressing room needs to have him by the scruff of the neck reminding him his responsibilities, but unfortunately I dont think theres many in there would do that.
And thats not even mentioning these new rumours about him and brother being the recent leaks
he needs guidance on his workrate, decision making and attitude. If he knuckles down and properly works on them he could be a hell of a player.
I will say though, if he thinks he's already the finished product, and decides he's not arsed with working on any of them, then yeah, thats when we get serious and think about moving him on.
His attitude def seems to be an increasing problem, someone in that dressing room needs to have him by the scruff of the neck reminding him his responsibilities, but unfortunately I dont think theres many in there would do that.
And thats not even mentioning these new rumours about him and brother being the recent leaks
So sell everyone except Maz, Amad and maybe Yoro*
*Unless he has a bad 45 mins in which case he needs selling asap!
Forget playing 3 at the back, Amorim will only have 3 players in the match day squad if he listens to the Cafe!
*Unless he has a bad 45 mins in which case he needs selling asap!
Forget playing 3 at the back, Amorim will only have 3 players in the match day squad if he listens to the Cafe!