Grealish is a massive flop that can't manage to produce in a fantastic team like City.
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Grealish is a massive flop that can't manage to produce in a fantastic team like City.
Always liked the lad but I'm slowly turning against him. At this points he needs to deliver, he doesn't have endless time to develop.
Lacks vision, conviction and finishing.
Lacks vision, conviction and finishing.
This is a made up narrative. Garnacho is not more or less selfish than when he made his debut. He gets the ball and is encouraged to drive at his man. He works pretty hard for the team and tends to try his best when attacking as a direct winger. His problem is not that he thinks he's some Ronaldo regen, his issue is that in an ideal world he is a bench player for the team based on his talent level. However, because of the poor form and attitude of Rashford and the general lack of competition from the other wingers he starts more games than he should. The issue is not Garnacho, the issue is poor recruitment and having no actual 1st 11 quality wingers at the club.
Garnacho is fundamentally a very poor player when it comes to decision making and overall end product.
The team also cannot carry a player of this caliber because there aren't enough clear cut chances being made on a consistent game by game basis to have forwards who lack being clinical in the attacking roles.
I have reinstated time and time again that the evolution of Erik's recruitment and development of the first team is having an attack made up of substitute level / quality players including individuals he's promoted and acquired via the market.
Garnacho's age also is of no relevance given this is his performance thread, irrespective if he was 20 years old or 25 the thread doesn't reflect potential but his objective output in performances. As others have stated he's been performing poor for a while now.
Evra had a good story about this regarding SAF. He said once he had, what he thought was a 10/10 game with a lot of the teammates congratulating only to see SAF being unhappy about his performance regarding specific instructions he was given.
I guess at this moment, apart from CB, no other player have well defined role. He is young and can be molded into a player Amorim wants.
Say what you want, but he does put in the effort which cant be said about lot others. No wonder he is starting ahead of others despite being targeted by United supporters of being unfit for the role
Good post. The issue is people see an academy winger scoring big goals and immediately pencil them in as the future of the club. Theres never a middle ground
I agree with all of this.
Not his fault he's not good enough and once fans wake up to the fact that he's a squad player at best then we can move on to deciding which forwards we need to sign in January or the summer.
Dalot had 3 or 4 shots from out wide because how much dangerous spots he got in to.
Dalot whilst right footed playing at LWB has a very poor shot.
Garnacho would have a better dribbling ability, better shot abilities & ive seen more slide tackles from Garnacho than Amad.
Garnacho is too direct to play as a LAM - he wants to get to dangerous areas by speed and have time and space to take shots or passes. The higher he plays to the opposition defenders the quicker his decision making has to happen due to congestion.
Amad however is much more creative with his passing, smooth with his dribbling & has the ability to play both centrally and move out wide like Trincao did at Sporting.
Everything seems purposely lopsided.
Playing Rashford as a RF instead of LF. Playing Mount as a RAM instead of a LAM. Playing Amad as a RWB but playing Garnacho as our most creative forward apart from Bruno. Playing Mazroui at RWB and Garancho at LWB is betted than Diallo at RWB and Dalot at LWB.
It's like he is purposely trying to teach them different positions to see and improve some of their weaknesses. We eve saw Martinez play at RCB for example.
Dalot whilst right footed playing at LWB has a very poor shot.
Garnacho would have a better dribbling ability, better shot abilities & ive seen more slide tackles from Garnacho than Amad.
Garnacho is too direct to play as a LAM - he wants to get to dangerous areas by speed and have time and space to take shots or passes. The higher he plays to the opposition defenders the quicker his decision making has to happen due to congestion.
Amad however is much more creative with his passing, smooth with his dribbling & has the ability to play both centrally and move out wide like Trincao did at Sporting.
Everything seems purposely lopsided.
Playing Rashford as a RF instead of LF. Playing Mount as a RAM instead of a LAM. Playing Amad as a RWB but playing Garnacho as our most creative forward apart from Bruno. Playing Mazroui at RWB and Garancho at LWB is betted than Diallo at RWB and Dalot at LWB.
It's like he is purposely trying to teach them different positions to see and improve some of their weaknesses. We eve saw Martinez play at RCB for example.
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Came in to see if this was true. If it is, he'll he gone in summer as he's developing a knack for this.
I also can't see him gelling in the new system, he's an out and out winger who hugs the touchline and comes inside into space, he's now being asked to occupy that space and his skillset currently doesn't lend itself well to that role. I just hope he can work on his decision making, which will help him bed into the new role.
Not only it's true, he has done already 3 or 4 times.
How did I miss this? 3-4 times to who and when?
Can't be bothered to go find it but he's right. There have been multiple instances of Garnacho liking shit criticizing others on social media, not to mention his little brother spouting off constantly.
That would be terrible. Amad is way better defensively. Garnacho couldn’t even track back when he was playing as a winger and you want him to be our main defender on the left side going against the likes of Salah and Saka?
I feel like he is the victim of the formation and the system that Pep plays. He would have been much better in a side like Spurs for example.
Wow. Never knew his attitude stinks that bad. Another player who thinks he’s made it and is a superstar.
You'd struggle to find many other wingers scoring at a better rate between age 18 and 20...
Also a lot of those appearances will be off the bench as he as slowly integrating into the first team, looking at the actual number of minutes he's played he's averaging a goal every 271 minutes or 1 in 3 which is more than acceptable.
Considering most people say his lack of consistency in his finishing and decision-making are the areas he most needs to improve and he's only 20, it would suggest that if he can continue to develop he could potentially be a pretty regular goalscorer.
Yeah I find it hard to like him.
His attitude again getting subbed off at weekend. The headshaking, sitting on the steps, angrily taking off the shin pads. After playing shit.
His attitude is poor but that could easily be justified as
a) Petulance
b) A desire to win
The trouble is with Garnacho, as is the case for all of our "youngsters" is the lack of role models at the club. I fully expect Amorim (given the time and authority) to address this but for Garnacho, the damage may have already been done.
I would also say that I can't see him developing as an inside forward. He's a winger. At his best he is direct and slightly unpredictable. Technically, on the ball, he often struggles to play in tight spaces and as such, isn't the type of player you want with his back to goal or trying to thread balls into runners going beyond him.
If Amorim wants to persist with his 3-4-2-1 or whatever we want to label it as, Garnacho will need to develop as a wing back. He's got the work ethic to do it and to be quite honest, he can't be much worse than Dalot defensively however, we would just need to find a more defensive balance on the opposite side to support it.
a) Petulance
b) A desire to win
The trouble is with Garnacho, as is the case for all of our "youngsters" is the lack of role models at the club. I fully expect Amorim (given the time and authority) to address this but for Garnacho, the damage may have already been done.
I would also say that I can't see him developing as an inside forward. He's a winger. At his best he is direct and slightly unpredictable. Technically, on the ball, he often struggles to play in tight spaces and as such, isn't the type of player you want with his back to goal or trying to thread balls into runners going beyond him.
If Amorim wants to persist with his 3-4-2-1 or whatever we want to label it as, Garnacho will need to develop as a wing back. He's got the work ethic to do it and to be quite honest, he can't be much worse than Dalot defensively however, we would just need to find a more defensive balance on the opposite side to support it.
Not sure Garnacho has the fitness for a wing backs, he seems to run out gas quite quickly for a young lad. Amorim would need him running on sand for a few months or something.
Is there something in the water I wonder...How come almost all of our players act like spoilt brats all the time? Shit like this would be out of order even if it was Messi doing it, let alone a little **** who thinks he's Ronaldo.
I think this sort of thing happens everywhere, we just notice it with United players because we are focused on them.
Bottom line, he’s a young lad, making a fortune. Probably has a huge ego, and sense of entitlement, and needs a dose of humility. Also probably lacking maturity, given his age and income. Hopefully that can all be straightened out. I wouldn’t over dramatise it.
Bottom line, he’s a young lad, making a fortune. Probably has a huge ego, and sense of entitlement, and needs a dose of humility. Also probably lacking maturity, given his age and income. Hopefully that can all be straightened out. I wouldn’t over dramatise it.
I am glad Ten Hag is gone, but this is a coach that gave him his chance. I think that’s a bit of a shame he said those things, but he’s young and ambitious, and I do like him.
He's also a fantastic player. Proper maverick and street baller.
Not sure why we're comparing him to Garnacho though, who is clearly pretty crap.
That’s a ridiculous analysis of Garnacho, to be honest. He’s a good talent that will have a good career, even if it’s not at the very top.
Our fans live to overrate players, crap is maybe harsh, but he'll never be the level required.
The fundamentals simply aren't there.
Maybe you’re right in the first point, but I think you’re guilty of underrating our players at the same time.
I worry a little for him, because he unfortunately may turn out to be one of the losers in the new system we are playing. His numbers before Amorim came in suggested he could have had a break-though season - 12 goal involvements in 23 games at the moment vs 15 in 50 (23-24) and 11 in 37 (22-23). And this was after missing many one-on-ones which I think eventually would have averaged out.
For those that don’t like him Im curious who you would start in his place?
Poor lad is getting absolutely massacred here by his own teams fans. He 20 years old and carrying the burden of the team.
If he doesn’t play , who plays instead ? Every thing he does no matter how small is going to be micro analysed to look for negatives by most of you.
He has stuff to improve and things to learn but that’s par for the course for a young player. One thing he does have going for him is that you can see he wants to be on the pitch and keeps going , he doesn’t shy away. Not bad for a 20 years old old , some of the senior players could learn from him in that respect.
There seems to be a mindset that we have the right to start doing well but the truth is we are still some way off being even decent. We all fall in this trap, I was gutted watching Saturdays performance from the team but when you take a step back it’s not that big a surprise given the last 18 months of performances. Blasting players is not going to make it any better , particularly those who are trying to make it better.
If he doesn’t play , who plays instead ? Every thing he does no matter how small is going to be micro analysed to look for negatives by most of you.
He has stuff to improve and things to learn but that’s par for the course for a young player. One thing he does have going for him is that you can see he wants to be on the pitch and keeps going , he doesn’t shy away. Not bad for a 20 years old old , some of the senior players could learn from him in that respect.
There seems to be a mindset that we have the right to start doing well but the truth is we are still some way off being even decent. We all fall in this trap, I was gutted watching Saturdays performance from the team but when you take a step back it’s not that big a surprise given the last 18 months of performances. Blasting players is not going to make it any better , particularly those who are trying to make it better.
He's not. Genuine question, in this team would you start Garnacho over Grealish?
All our players are shit, apparently.
Saka was primarily playing at left back for Arsenal at 19/20 and had around 11 goals by then (had a great 3rd season); don't think many thought he'd turn out to be this good a player by 23. Garnacho is 20 and has already scored 23 goals in a team that has struggled so much in the last few years. We should try to be a little patient with some of the younger guys.
Hate this kind of thinking. Are we not allowed to think our players are crap?
He also showed excellent decision making, technique and in general was very consistent.
There is no comparison.
He's played poorly in more games than he's played well.
Looking at where we are at the table , that's not that far fetched conclusion. Our players are mostly shit.
Heads. Sand.