[RDCR07]

Not sure he makes it here, especially in this system.

 

[pocco]

I’ve never really been sold on him but his flaws stand out even more when we get a coach in who wants to play football. This isn’t just him, but tonight I was yet again astounded by how poor his and others touches were. You could watch Southampton and see players not messing up such basic things. Playing counter attacking football for the last few years has done a number on these players in terms of their ability in tight games. They’re just not in that groove whatsoever. Watch any other good possession based team and you’re not even thinking about first touches as it’s spot on every time.

Beyond that, decision making and all round technical ability looks really poor in attack.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

I won’t be surprised if we sell him while his stock is high. He just doesn’t work in Amorim’s system.

I’d rather get £80million for him and it goes into getting players to make us click more.

 

[Trex]

I’ve never really been sold on him but his flaws stand out even more when we get a coach in who wants to play football. This isn’t just him, but tonight I was yet again astounded by how poor his and others touches were. You could watch Southampton and see players not messing up such basic things. Playing counter attacking football for the last few years has done a number on these players in terms of their ability in tight games. They’re just not in that groove whatsoever. Watch any other good possession based team and you’re not even thinking about first touches as it’s spot on every time.

Beyond that, decision making and all round technical ability looks really poor in attack.

You could see why ETH and Ole just went with counter attack, you'll need to get rid of this guys if you want to play some other way.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

He's not an inside forward. Wing back or nothing.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

His first touch and close control is so erratic. Playing the ball into his feet when he's in our half and running towards our goal is pointless, he loses it so often and puts us in terrible situations. Case in point tonight which led to Arsenal's corner for their first goal.

Don't know how he'll fit into this system.

 

[lsd]

Shouldn't be starting games for us I just hope Amorim comes to the same conclusion soon

 

[kaku06]

He’s not technically good at all. People who think he needs time and he’ll become a future star are completely ignoring the obvious that he’s a limited footballer because of his technical ability and it’s not gonna improve over time. He’s a counter attacking player nothing more.

 

[Ali Dia]

I’d think he’ll probably end up fighting amad for the RWB position before the end of the season. Apart from that he’s much better coming off the bench when the game is stretched and we have too many kick and run types as it stands. I think we could use another forward or midfielder who can play an unexpected final ball. It would benefit the finishers, I think Garnacho is a really good finisher first and foremost. It wasn’t his fault we lost tonight though. All of our attackers were well below par. He’s a good player but he hasn’t done well since the new manager has come in. Rasmus was shocking too.

 

[UnitedRepublic]

I’d think he’ll probably end up fighting amad for the RWB position before the end of the season. Apart from that he’s much better coming off the bench when the game is stretched and we have too many kick and run types as it stands. I think we could use another forward who can play an unexpected final ball. It wasn’t his fault we lost tonight though. All of our attackers were well below par. He’s a good player but he hasn’t done well since the new manager has come in.

He won’t fight Amad for anything Amad is playing as RWB purely because our lack off cbs until Mazraoui can play there so that Amad can be moved into the 10.

 

[Canucantona20]

Not good enough for a club like United

 

[amolbhatia50k]

At what point will people admit to themselves that he's not this "prized potential" wonderboy that the general public opinion still thinks he is?

Can be a useful player in certain situations and obviously isn't the finished product, but people acting like he's unsellable or a clear future cornerstone of our squad are mistaken. Just looks completely out of place too often in these games from a technical POV

I see more Rashford in him than a genuinely top class talent. He’s got a similarly clunky technical ability in tight spaces, poor decision making, tunnel vision / reliance on one trip (run at defender and shoot) and suitability to open spaces and counter attacks. The difference I felt was 1) that Garnacho can’t really pass whereas Rashford while not great at it was alright in this regard 2) Garnacho has a certain dogged mentality and intensity that could hold him in good stead and be his biggest strength, eventually.

 

[Dominos]

When he first broke into the team with his cameos he looked like a really exciting dribbler who could terrorise full backs but it's not really materialised. He's also not got the electric next level pace to make up for technical deficiencies.

He's definitely got goalscoring potential though, he scores a decent amount already despite his poor decision making and finishing, and the team being poor. If he improves on that he can turn into a player who's all-round play is incredibly frustrating but he still scores 20 goals a season.

Ultimately, I think a lot of our fanbase has had enough of erratic players who play in moments rather than consistently doing the basics right. It's got us nowhere over recent years.

 

[El Jefe]

When he first broke into the team with his cameos he looked like a really exciting dribbler who could terrorise full backs but it's not really materialised. He's also not got the electric next level pace to make up for technical deficiencies.

He's definitely got goalscoring potential though, he scores a decent amount already despite his poor decision making and finishing, and the team being poor. If he improves on that he can turn into a player who's all-round play is incredibly frustrating but he still scores 20 goals a season.

Ultimately, I think a lot of our fanbase has had enough of erratic players who play in moments rather than consistently doing the basics right. It's got us nowhere over recent years.

In the academy and reserves he had the powerful runs to just knock it past defenders and beat them for pace, especially over long distances. In senior football, his pace hasn't translated as well. He's still fast but the average PL fullback can hold their own against him so he needs skill or upper body strength to be the difference maker in beating his marker. Unfortunate thing for us is he has no skills when it comes to dribbling so it's very easy to read and stop what he plans on doing.

In his first season, he was really good coming on off the bench against tired defenders and running rings round them but whenever he started he was dreadful. I've described him as a less pacey Theo Walcott for sometime now and that's how he should be thought of. He doesn't have star quality in my opinion but can be a useful player in the squad.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I see more Rashford in him than a genuinely top class talent. He’s got a similarly clunky technical ability in tight spaces, poor decision making, tunnel vision / reliance on one trip (run at defender and shoot) and suitability to open spaces and counter attacks. The difference I felt was 1) that Garnacho can’t really pass whereas Rashford while not great at it was alright in this regard 2) Garnacho has a certain dogged mentality and intensity that could hold him in good stead and be his biggest strength, eventually.

Agree completely. And he’s not close to young Rashford in terms of explosiveness either to really rely on while he refines other parts of his game.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

young and leanin'.

He is frustrating and I hate how, despite the energy and running, much wrong decisions he makes, but I get why he gets picked, he runs a lot.

This is what I said about him 2 weeks ago, I didn't watch the Arsenal game and I see the same comments about him being a terrible decision maker and not knowing what to do etc...

I don't think he is skillful like other wingers but I don't think it's necessary to be skilled dribbler for a winger or AM, imo, what matters is decision making and sharpness, if he learns now to read the game and know when to pass forward or when to run with or without the ball, or when to move into open half spaces, control the ball better and be sharp in how he plays, he will be very good either as a traditional LW or in the AML spot in Amorims system.

Just hoping though that he actually improves, not sure he will ever.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

The thing is with Garnacho is that he isnt a AM/LAM, he isnt very creative and needs time and space to make the right passing decision than playing intricate through balls or crosses quickly in to a striker.

This is why im still unsure why he hasnt been used as a LWB yet.

He is aggressive af, he tracks back and defends well for such a small player, can dribble from deep which allows him more time to make better passing decisions.

 

[Slevs]

Lost. Thinking how not to feck up instead of playing on instinct, which is his main strength

 

[Top]

Such a limited player. His general play and link up with team mates is shocking.

 

[RedIan]

Not good enough for a club like United

Wow! I think hes an exceptional exciting attacking talent that needs a touch of fine tuning.
On his day he is electric.

 

[That_Bloke]

I won’t be surprised if we sell him while his stock is high. He just doesn’t work in Amorim’s system.

I’d rather get £80million for him and it goes into getting players to make us click more.

He's not am 80M player and will never be.

 

[Fobal]

He's not am 80M player and will never be.

Evaluating players by the sums paid, it's always a bit of a misguiding affair.

Transfers this days can go up quite a lot with some good run of form, more while being really young and a large etc.

 

[That_Bloke]

Evaluating players by the sums paid, it's always a bit of a misguiding affair.

Transfers this days can go up quite a lot with some good run of form, more while being really young and a large etc.

He's an academy player.

Aside from that absurd price tag, I see nothing in him that suggests a top player in the making and he has no place in Amorim's system.

He's only playing because there's no one else. The entire MU forward line needs to be overhauled.

 

[joedirt87]

I won’t be surprised if we sell him while his stock is high. He just doesn’t work in Amorim’s system.

I’d rather get £80million for him and it goes into getting players to make us click more.

Early days still in the new system but i have this gut feeling as well that it's just not going to work. Selling him at his peak value helps us bring in the profile of a player that better fits the system.

 

[Fobal]

He's an academy player.

Aside from that absurd price tag, I see nothing in him that suggests a top player in the making and he has no place in Amorim's system.

He's only playing because there's no one else. The entire MU forward line needs to be overhauled.

I was just talking in general, not really related to your view on Garnacho's price.

Prices are never just related to the quality of the player and sometimes with certain timing involve Clubs can pay very low fees or exorbitant ones. More in these last years.

Yet certainly players end affected with the constant talk from everyone about the numbers over their heads, fair or not.

 

[Teja]

I see more Rashford in him than a genuinely top class talent. He’s got a similarly clunky technical ability in tight spaces, poor decision making, tunnel vision / reliance on one trip (run at defender and shoot) and suitability to open spaces and counter attacks. The difference I felt was 1) that Garnacho can’t really pass whereas Rashford while not great at it was alright in this regard 2) Garnacho has a certain dogged mentality and intensity that could hold him in good stead and be his biggest strength, eventually.

Yeah I agree with this but I think that's good enough for a top six club. Judging him against Arsenal is a bit harsh and he's still very young.

He shouldn't be an automatic starter for us and we should aspire to get Wirtzs, Bellinghams and Bernardos of the world in the position he's currently playing in but he's good enough to do a job for now and the hunger / intensity is his biggest strength.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Yeah I agree with this but I think that's good enough for a top six club. Judging him against Arsenal is a bit harsh and he's still very young.

He shouldn't be an automatic starter for us and we should aspire to get Wirtzs, Bellinghams and Bernardos of the world in the position he's currently playing in but he's good enough to do a job for now and the hunger / intensity is his biggest strength.

But he’s not good enough right now. That’s sort of the point.

At best he’s good enough to be a consistent attacking sub to come on with 20 minutes left and try to run teams ragged. But his general performances game to game as a starter aren’t close to the level we need

 

[Idxomer]

Concerning how much the ball gets stuck under him when running towards the opposition goal.

He might work better in a slower league like Seria A.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Concerning how much the ball gets stuck under him when running towards the opposition goal.

He might work better in a slower league like Seria A.

I think he’s a perfect Atletico player honestly. Ironic since that’s where he’s actually from.

 

[Teja]

But he’s not good enough right now. That’s sort of the point.

At best he’s good enough to be a consistent attacking sub to come on with 20 minutes left and try to run teams ragged. But his general performances game to game as a starter aren’t close to the level we need

He's not good enough to compete against an elite defence / press like Arsenal but can still do a good enough job against the rest of the PL for me. Imagine him in the role Rashford was in against Everton for example with a guy like Zirkzee playing him in from CF.

His pace / intensity / non stop running shines in games like that.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

He's not good enough to compete against an elite defence / press like Arsenal but can still do a good enough job against the rest of the PL for me. Imagine him in the role Rashford was in against Everton for example with a guy like Zirkzee playing him in from CF.

His pace / intensity / non stop running shines in games like that.

Except he doesn’t score either of the goals Rashford scored in that game most likely…

 

[Andersons Dietician]

He had to play Malacia in more last night and then go and get himself in the box. I don’t know what it is with our LW attackers but they hate passing the ball to a LB or LWB and then getting themselves in the box for a possible chance.

Just want to always cut in and try to rocket one in.

Hopefully in time this will just become a regular thing for him and the others and the attacking play and understand just becomes better.

 

[devilish]

He is a young player and as a young player he will be inconsistent. Ronaldo was like that as well. The problem is that Ronaldo played alongside scholes, Giggs and co who could provide him with guidance and leadership. Who can provide that to Garnacho? Rashy?

 

[Chungy]

I've read too much of "Garnacho must be tried as a LWB" to not reply to it.....

While I think that's a role he may develop into, just as I think there's a reasonable (not great) chance he could develop into a successful AMLC in this system, there's a blindingly obvious reason (actually, 3....) why he's not trusted there right now.
First is first touch, second height/physique, third positioning.
- As many has mentioned, Garnacho's first touch (and often 2nd and 3rd touches) is erratic at best right now. Especially when not giving space to run into. If he's our LWB, he's got a reasonable chance of messing it enough up that he either loses the ball out right or puts another teammate in trouble. Further up it's frustrating but redeemable, as an LWB you may well lose a goal.
- Then height and physique. Garnacho's got relatively weak upper body strength, and isn't the tallest. He can't even do the Dalot/Shaw point your arse at the opponent while your teammates gets themselves into better positions effectively, and will be targetted at the back post mercilessly. If you've noticed, it seems that it's Dalot who's partneringr Amad and now Malacia on the opposite flank. It makes sense, having 2 short LWBs means it's much easier to get caught out.
- Lastly is positioning. While I do think he's has incredible workrate compared to most in the team, and his off the ball isn't bad, I feel can switch off a little in defensive actions, maybe take that split second longer to react at times. Which is ok, since he's playing AMC and the result is you lose the pressing momentum, while as LWB you may lose a goal.

Compared to Amad - good close control to overcome the problem of physique, and Dalot/Shaw, he's just too risky to play LWB right now. Malacia I was surprised by getting the LWB slot in the Arsenal game, but he proved more than effective enough there (though was terrible in the game beforehand).

Now, I do think he's reasonably talented and at least has a fair chance to develop into an effective LWB and/or AMC for us. However, trialling him there right now seems a little risky.

 

[Shark]

This thread has become a car crash.

 

[bgoodall]

My favorite player on the team. Hope that knee tape doesn’t mean he’s wearing down from our overuse of him.

 

[imonkmc]

He has the tools to become a top player, he is finding his feet in a new role, the idea should be to always look for pockets of space or make runs behind the defence to keep defender busy and creat space … Amorim style obviously will take sometime to properly set in

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

I am shocked when i read people say young player and It’s understandable he is inconsistent, and Ronaldo was the same etc.

No there was a world of difference between him and Ronaldo. Ronaldo’s first touch, passing, dribbling was all amazing. Where he was lacking, his decision making, but you would not watch Ronaldo and say he has technical faults or he would not be able to play possession football or his touch is heavy.

Garnacho does not have a single standout attribute except pace maybe (even then he does not burn players for pace like Rashford used to) His dribbling is average, his shooting is shit (needs about 5 chances to score), his decision making is shocking, he lacks balance and always seems like he is about to fall over. His close control and linkup play is abysmal. He has that tunnel vision just keeps running and then falling over or will take it out of play head down like a donkey.

He has just too many deficiencies to become a functional player. Another one of those players who needs time and space and basketball like match to thrive where margin for error is a lot (similar to Rashford). These two can’t play any sort of coherent attacking football with possession and link up play.

 

[Red00012]

This thread is the worse .
What’s with the hate for the kid? He’s 12 goals and assists this season and all he seems to get is unnecessary abuse .

 

[Kylar Stern]

He would be much better if he would pass the ball more, far too greedy IMO