[OverratedOpinion]

No it's absolutely fair to be frustrated and I fully expect him to get a proper bollocking from Amorim. It's just the whole "he is useless, let's sell him" notion that is tiresome. Same for Rasmus.

I'd imagine you would struggle to find many posts here that say Garnacho is useless or that we should sell him.

I think I saw one person say they wouldn't be opposed to selling him if a massive offer came in. I'd disagree but also don't think that's the most cruel thing anyone's ever said and requires the constant stream of moral indignation.

 

[Red00012]

I would say Amad is, Garnacho has been a bit disappointing outside a few moments.

Outside of the 8 goals and 4 assists is it ?

 

[Ceteris]

Many said the same thing about a young Ronaldo.


I get you—Ganarcho is not on the same Ronaldo trajectory for sure. But he may not agree.

He thinks he is, I don't mind the confidence but needs to be correctly channelled

 

[jem]

The typical nowadays middle age monk haicut and don't forget his eyebrow...in fact, maybe with just a more "regular/ common" look he'll looked better and less "trying to hard", the lad has his looks...jokes aside, dunno maybe it's precisly that with him, his choices. When playing, whith his looks, copying too early Cris, in any case he needs some guidance, it's not easy to grow up under the huge spolight Man Utd is and he has appeared in one of the worst moments of United. He certainly does not need over the top critics. He might grab that Puskas awards and that it's for ever, he certainly has achieved way more than the huge majority of us in his area and maybe even already saved his life financially.

Did he win the Puskas award for the bicycle kick? I can’t recall

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

It doesn’t matter. A goal is a goal, an assist is an assist, and Man Utd aims to win various competitions. In this regard, we need to compare players based on G/A in all competitions, not by tournament.

His stats don’t mean that “Garnacho is very good” or “Garnacho plays very well” - it just means that this season, he is better than other attackers

Are United planning to win the 2nd division?

If you seriously think that a goal or assist vs a team 2 divisions beneath us is equal to a premier league goal then you're completely delusional.

It's actually a major aspect of all analytics to separate performances based on the competition.

Are United better off signing a striker who get's 10 goals in the champions league this season or 10 goals in the league cup? By your logic this is the same thing.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Needs to do himself a favour and start looking up when he's successfully cut inside. Defenders are leaving their man open and collapsing in on him because they know he looks for a shot almost every time he comes in. If he can see a pass and get more variety in, he'd find it easier.

 

[sglowrider]

Needs to do himself a favour and start looking up when he's successfully cut inside. Defenders are leaving their man open and collapsing in on him because they know he looks for a shot almost every time he comes in. If he can see a pass and get more variety in, he'd find it easier.

We have all seen this before with a young Ronaldo. First the pointless multiple stepovers. Then it progressed to shooting in sight. But eventually he started looking up and combined the previous two phases.

Unfortunately for us, Garnacho isn't CR7. Or I don't see it personally.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

He can be frustrating but I personally love him. I really hope he can take to this number 10 role. While he’s getting this many chances the signs are good. Just needs that final end product to click.

 

[FrankWhite]

Here's something we all need to underrstand. When it comes to our attackers, it's a case of picking your poison. Would you rather be frustrated by: Rashford, Zirkzee, Garnacho, Amad (yes, him too), Hojlund, Bruno or Mount?

In the absence of truly good options, you can argue the best choices are Garnacho, Hojlund and Bruno and, that is why they start most games. I challenge anyone to make a case to the contrary.
Amad can't be included because he's busy solving the RWB problem for us.

It doesn't make Garnacho any less frustrating, but it does at some context.

 

[bringbackbebe]

We have all seen this before with a young Ronaldo. First the pointless multiple stepovers. Then it progressed to shooting in sight. But eventually he started looking up and combined the previous two phases.

Unfortunately for us, Garnacho isn't CR7. Or I don't see it personally.

Kind of like Ronaldo without SAF to guide him or the era of stability. He can change little things to make a big difference.

 

[#07]

Needs to do himself a favour and start looking up when he's successfully cut inside. Defenders are leaving their man open and collapsing in on him because they know he looks for a shot almost every time he comes in. If he can see a pass and get more variety in, he'd find it easier.

I agree with this criticism of Garnacho.

Its why I like him on the right more than the left: On the right he doesn't have the easy option of just cutting in and shooting, which forces him to look up and think more.

When playing off the right last season he was showing much, much more than he usually does off the left. I am still baffled as to why Ten Hag switched him back to the left this season.

 

[Kostov]

Criticism obviously got to his head and it's affecting his decision making. He needs to keep working hard and keep his head down. Fortunes will change.

 

[Roane]

Listening to Glenn Hoddle a while ago he said many/most young players struggle with passing when coming into the first team at a young age. To the point some fail completely as a result.

Basically all players starting very young have to be selfish and highlight their talents. Once in the first team they have to change this mentality as now the team has to win. Many fail to do this at the very top level. It has to be a mentality that is changed in them and it takes a bit of time.

Looking at Ronaldo in his start this seems to be true. Looking at Peps philosophy it also seems to be true.

Many players loved at lower teams who are exciting don't make it at the top teams. A Grealish would be great at a West Ham or a Crystal Palace but at a City or Arsenal they have to be more team orientated. Basically pass more and not do what most of us who play/played football in the park or 5 a side or local teams saw week in week out. The player who never passed, tried to take on everyone and score. Often the best player locally.

 

[Smores]

Here's something we all need to underrstand. When it comes to our attackers, it's a case of picking your poison. Would you rather be frustrated by: Rashford, Zirkzee, Garnacho, Amad (yes, him too), Hojlund, Bruno or Mount?

In the absence of truly good options, you can argue the best choices are Garnacho, Hojlund and Bruno and, that is why they start most games. I challenge anyone to make a case to the contrary.
Amad can't be included because he's busy solving the RWB problem for us.

It doesn't make Garnacho any less frustrating, but it does at some context.

If we're excluding Amad then I'd still choose Mount and Bruno. It's simple we need a mindset shift in this team and we need to start that by selecting those who can make better decisions.

Once we've done that we can start rotating in whichever of Rashford or Garnacho adapt quickest. They're also very useful attacking options off the bench.

What we absolutely can't keep doing is playing the most likely goalscorer just because we can't currently perfect a system. It's held us back time and time again because they won't adapt on the fly.

 

[FrankWhite]

If we're excluding Amad then I'd still choose Mount and Bruno. It's simple we need a mindset shift in this team and we need to start that by selecting those who can make better decisions.

Once we've done that we can start rotating in whichever of Rashford or Garnacho adapt quickest. They're also very useful attacking options off the bench.

What we absolutely can't keep doing is playing the most likely goalscorer just because we can't currently perfect a system. It's held us back time and time again because they won't adapt on the fly.

How many games has he been for in the past 2 years again? I absolutely agree, he's a better fit for the system. You just can't trust his health. If you want build continuity and team chemistry, he's not a safe bet.

 

[eire-red]

This thread is becoming a bit of a trainwreck.

 

[roseguy64]

And fecking pass too.

Him shooting here was fine actually. He just took too long to do it which meant the opposition closed him down and threw him off.

 

[Fobal]

Did he win the Puskas award for the bicycle kick? I can’t recall

He is nominated

 

[Khadaad]

I was going mad at some of his decision making but he doesn’t shy away from trying again and again. It’s easy to forget that he turned 20 only this year and it is his 2nd full season. The comment with Glen Hoddle’s insights is really on the mark. He has been playing for a place in a team that was a mess last year. And under a coach who was desperate for things to work. Hopefully Amorim can calm him down and turn down the selfishness. His finishing is influenced by this desire to highlight his abilities and is suffering from a lack of composure, which is completely normal at this age. I think the lack of options has made us increase our expectations of younger players. I look forward to watching him develop under lesser pressure and maybe another side of him in Amorim’s system.
Another point that keeps coming up in this thread is the comparison to Ronaldo’s growth here. We can all hope that he produces even half his output in a few years, but it’s okay to accept that the close dribbling ability and some of the physical characteristics are not the same. No shame in that at all!

 

[Bwuk]

I think people get so worked up about the chances he misses that they forget he’s one of the only players we’ve got that gets into positions to get them.

Hes on 12 G/A and we’ve been shite all season. If Amorim can get us playing well I can see Garnacho getting close to 30 G/A

 

[Donut]

I think his finishing and decision making will come with time, but my main worry of him lately has been that he seems completely unable to beat his man, he does a useless stepover and runs straight into the defender, almost every single time.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

He looks so selfish with his gameplay in comparison to Amad.

can creativity be built? Arguably that was one of the differences between R7 & Messi - & you can see it as it reflects Garnachos favourite player.

I really want him to play deeper in one game to make him less turbulent at trying to take the last defenders on and then scoring all by himself.

Whilst im no amorim - i wonder if playing Garnacho at LWB will make him think more because he will be playing deeper that so upforward almost as the last man.

Dont know if we can play both Garnacho & Amad as wingbacks though because ive heard Amorim likes one very attacking wingback with more of a fullback on the other side.

 

[Kag]

I think people get so worked up about the chances he misses that they forget he’s one of the only players we’ve got that gets into positions to get them.

Hes on 12 G/A and we’ve been shite all season. If Amorim can get us playing well I can see Garnacho getting close to 30 G/A

Indeed. Garnacho gets numbers because his movement is exceptional. Another good run out today before he starts against Arsenal.

 

[dubplate warrior]

He should be behind the pecking order in terms of all of our attackers.

 

[Shark]

Thought he had a good cameo off the bench today.

 

[2mufc0]

I like Garnacho but don't see a future with him in this system, let's see if Amorim can perhaps coach him into playing in the system.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

I think people get so worked up about the chances he misses that they forget he’s one of the only players we’ve got that gets into positions to get them.

Hes on 12 G/A and we’ve been shite all season. If Amorim can get us playing well I can see Garnacho getting close to 30 G/A

One third of his total was accumulated vs Barnsley who aren't even a championship team, they're 6th in the 2nd division. No one cares about 2g and 2a vs a 2nd division side.

He got another goal and assist vs Leicester in the league cup, a leicester side who benched 9 starters.

He has 3 premier league goals one of those was in injury time vs Southampton in a game we were winning 2-0 and another in the last minutes vs Leicester when we were also winning 2-0 and he then refused to celebrate.

Any in depth analysis of his statistics shows how incredibly poor he's been, he's miles behind other elite level wingers his age is dribbles/key passes/chances created/progressive passes and I could go on.

He's actually performing at a considerably lower level than Adnan was at the same age and we all know how that went.

 

[Adamsk7]

This system and style of play exposes his weaknesses more than a lot of our players. He needs to adapt and be a LOT less selfish to survive

 

[RuudTom83]

The kid played something like 30 league games in a row last season. A few months being rotated will do him no harm.

You might find the kids that did great last year (Garnacho, Mainoo) might have a little dip this season.

But that is hardly something to make a drama over a 19-20 year old kid having some bad form.

 

[Trex]

I'm not sure there's a role for him in this system, not when the opposition is compact and you need the 10 to do quick interplay and go on driving runs down the middle. Those are not his strengths.

 

[Hugh Jass]

I'm not sure there's a role for him in this system, not when the opposition is compact and you need the 10 to do quick interplay and go on driving runs down the middle. Those are not his strengths.

Yea i concur. He is a counter attacking player.

Twice in the first half mount made good runs when the arsenal defence was high and garnacho didnt see the pass. Just passed it backwards.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

Another laughable performance.

He's just Lingard 2.0 so no doubt he'll be stinking the place out by almost 30 and still getting called a young lad.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

At what point will people admit to themselves that he's not this "prized potential" wonderboy that the general public opinion still thinks he is?

Can be a useful player in certain situations and obviously isn't the finished product, but people acting like he's unsellable or a clear future cornerstone of our squad are mistaken. Just looks completely out of place too often in these games from a technical POV

 

[Trex]

Yea i concur. He is a counter attacking player.

Twice in the first half mount made good runs when the arsenal defence was high and garnacho didnt see the pass. Just passed it backwards.

Same goes to Rashford, this system suit players who are half wingers half ten like a Palmer, Hazard, Musiala, B Silva and our own Amad.
I think it's that profile we need.

 

[#07]

Garnacho goes from one extreme to the other. He goes from being too direct and too greedy to being stupidly inhibited. Today there were times when he actually could have tried to go at the Arsenal defence, especially in the first half. However, like against Bodo Glimt, he and Malacia were happy to just play the ball to each other and then go backwards. He is a gifted talent but he seems stuck in his own head.

 

[E-mal]

I think a smart club will look to get north of 50m for him and invest it in a player that sooth this style. Also Rashford and all our attackers + Mount can also go. We really need to overhaul the squad again to help the manager

 

[Hugh Jass]

I think a smart club will look to get north of 50m for him and invest it in a player that sooth this style. Also Rashford and all our attackers + Mount can also go. We really need to overhaul the squad again to help the manager

I think one of him and rashford will go.

 

[Amity Survivor]

He’s frustrating as hell but he’s very young still, let’s see what Ruben can do with him , patience is needed

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

His technique is so erratic. The amount of times he loses the ball so carelessly is infuriating.

It's not something that will get much better.

You either have it or you don't.

 

[jem]

I think he’s a liability at the moment