[Alemar]

His goals so far this season have been in the charity shield , in the last minute vs Southampton when we're already winning the game 2-0, then 2 goals and 2 assists against barnsley (one third of his season total) One goal vs brentford. 1g and 1a vs Leicester in the cup, when they rested 9 starters. Another goal vs Leicester in the PL where we're already winning 2-0 and he now refuses to celebrate, then a goal vs Bodoe which is tap in from a goalkeeper howler.

He has 3 premier league goals this season with 2 of them in the last few minutes of games we're already winning by 2 goals.

His overall performances have been dire and this is reflected with any in depth analysis of his game in comparison to actual elite level wingers his age like Savio/Olise etc

I've posted his stats in all attacking areas multiple times now and he's just miles behind these players in all attaking metrics like Dribbling/chances creation/key passes/progressive passes/assists you name it.

When I compare Garnacho to elite level wingers just a few years older the numbers just get embarrassing. He's not good enough to start for United and he's also not performing even close to the level of other young wingers his age who are genuinely elite.

It doesn’t matter. A goal is a goal, an assist is an assist, and Man Utd aims to win various competitions. In this regard, we need to compare players based on G/A in all competitions, not by tournament.

His stats don’t mean that “Garnacho is very good” or “Garnacho plays very well” - it just means that this season, he is better than other attackers

 

[MF1138]

https://www.fifa.com/en/the-best-fifa-football-awards/2024/articles/puskas-award-nominees

 

[elmo]

I wouldn't mind selling him in the summer, if Amorim is here for the long-term and we won't play with traditional wingers anymore. I'm not saying he's bad, although he was massively overhyped last year and in his first season too, but I just don't see a real place for him in this system. Maybe Atletico or PSG would be interested.



Sorry, but that's just a really uninformed and lazy take, mate. He's on 50k per week. I'd take a blind guess and say there are probably 30+ clubs around Europe who would be willing to pay him that money. The better question is how many teams would be willing to offer us a £40-50m transfer fee for him.



He has all the gifts to become a world beater? That's exactly what I mean by saying he's been massively overrated by most United fans. I think his ceiling is a solid 15-20 G/A Premier League winger, but that's hardly being a world beater. That's probably the level of post-City Sterling, United Sancho, Trossard, Mitoma, Barnes, Johnson, etc.

Do you really think he can reach Salah or Saka level, from the current best PL wingers? Or peak Son / Mané from a bit further back?

He doesn't have exceptional pace, power, ball-carrying, shooting, passing, small space manipulation, etc. IMO. His best trait is probably his relentlessness and never giving up, and I'll give him that these are valuable things, but world beater? I hope so, but I don't see it.

I've argued on here in the last ~12 months that he's the least talented player from our U21 group of Mainoo, Hojlund, and Garnacho. Argued that he's at best our 3rd best winger behind Amad and Rashford. Also never understood posters saying he's up there with our best youth prospects of the post-Ferguson era, in terms or raw talent: Martial, Greenwood, Rashford, even Januzaj, etc. I just don't see what qualities he has that puts him into this elite category that has all the tools to become one of the best players of their generation, based on how gifted they are.

I'd like to hear some posters say what do they think Garnacho has that could elevate him to that level within the next ~3-4 years.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see him surprise me and reach that level, but I think it's more likely we'll either sell him within the next 3 seasons, or he just becomes a good, long servant to the club with a consistent, and respectable, but absolutely not elite level output every season. That would still be a great career and he would be remembered as a good, solid player who succeeded in the Premier League for many years, but was never one of the best players in it. This season he's been stat-padding a lot in weaker competitions, too.

PS: As one of the #10s in our current setup, I think Bruno, Mount, and Amad are all better options currently. Maybe Mainoo as well. Zirkzee and Rashford debatable.

My point was the club would be blinded by his goals and assist numbers and reward him with a huge contract despite the actual performance being crap. Not him being on a big contract now.

 

[elmo]

It doesn’t matter. A goal is a goal, an assist is an assist, and Man Utd aims to win various competitions. In this regard, we need to compare players based on G/A in all competitions, not by tournament.

His stats don’t mean that “Garnacho is very good” or “Garnacho plays very well” - it just means that this season, he is better than other attackers

Efficiency doesn’t mean better. If stats were all that matter, we should have kept Scott because he was one of the biggest goal threat last year but in reality playing him means we gave up on controlling midfield and would get overrun every game.

At this point of his career, Garnacho’s biggest threat is him on the counter. He’s needs to start improving on his other aspects of the game, and he can start by passing the ball.

 

[MF1138]

There is a really odd sense of actual dislike from some here for a 20 year old academy graduate. It's funny when you consider that Amad who is two years older than him and was bought for a lot of money gets treated much more like he came through our ranks (This isn't a comment about Amad as a player). Part of me wonders if it's an ETH thing and some people would prefer Garnacho to fail rather than have to give any credit. But whatever. He's young and has been operating in a poorly coached team with seemingly very little proper attacking instruction. We all (mostly) wanted rid of ETH because he seemed to be unable to coach our players and improve them. Amorim was hired to get the best out of young raw players like Garnacho and not to bin them because they're unpolished.

 

[Rojofiam]

My point was the club would be blinded by his goals and assist numbers and reward him with a huge contract despite the actual performance being crap. Not him being on a big contract now.

I misread that comment, sorry.

 

[Giggsyking]

I hope Amorim or one of the coaches work with him on finishing, he has to learn to hit the target more often.

And fecking pass too.

 

[Irwin99]

I'm quite confident he'll reach twenty goals for the season and probably be our top scorer. I do understand people's concerns though but for a twenty year old that would be a pretty good achievement.

 

[Mike Smalling]

The good thing is that finishing and decision making is something that can improve with training and maturity.

 

[romufc]

The good thing is that finishing and decision making is something that can improve with training and maturity.

This is the problem with some of our fans, expecting a 20 year old to be the finished article. Some of the criticism has been over the top for him.

I have faith that if he wants to succeed, Amorim will help him and the fact that Amorim started him in both his games suggests he rates him too. There are only a few players that Amorim has been complimentary of, Mount, Amad, Maz and Garnacho.

 

[DWelbz19]

Very strange player.

He has both little actual quality and also obviously huge potential, at the same time.

He lacks real elite speed, he lacks top dribbling ability and is a very wasteful finisher. But the fact is, whatever we are playing like as a team, nobody gets into goalscoring situations as frequently as him. He’s probably amongst the highest in the PL even. He has several shots on goal per game, for a team that struggles, so it’s obvious to see what could happen if things suddenly started going a lot better. That said, he lacks top quality to me.

What he lacks in ability he seems to make up for in sheer grit and willingness. Even when he cocks things up he doesn’t let his head drop

 

[Ekeke]

Was dangerous but its been a few games in a row now where he's been frustrating for not simply getting his shots on target. The chances he missed would have been fine if he at least made the keeper work, but missing the goal entirely isnt good enough

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

There is a really odd sense of actual dislike from some here for a 20 year old academy graduate. It's funny when you consider that Amad who is two years older than him and was bought for a lot of money gets treated much more like he came through our ranks (This isn't a comment about Amad as a player). Part of me wonders if it's an ETH thing and some people would prefer Garnacho to fail rather than have to give any credit. But whatever. He's young and has been operating in a poorly coached team with seemingly very little proper attacking instruction. We all (mostly) wanted rid of ETH because he seemed to be unable to coach our players and improve them. Amorim was hired to get the best out of young raw players like Garnacho and not to bin them because they're unpolished.

This is basically completely made up in your head. People don’t dislike the guy, they dislike watching him be a constant starter for well over a year without the performances/progress that would merit it (not saying others have done better either)

Doesn’t mean he can’t improve, or that people dislike him as a person. Just means he’s graduated a bit at this point with his experience from just chalking up everything to “frustrating youngster”.

 

[Fobal]

This is basically completely made up in your head. People don’t dislike the guy, they dislike watching him be a constant starter for well over a year without the performances/progress that would merit it (not saying others have done better either)

Doesn’t mean he can’t improve, or that people dislike him as a person. Just means he’s graduated a bit at this point with his experience from just chalking up everything to “frustrating youngster”.

Yet there is a bit of a very puncheable face on Garnacho going on too, plus some of his antics, like Rash and his jewell's in the NBA. Both for moments have that extra stuff that "helps" to make them an easier target, Bruno too shares some of this "aspects".

 

[fallengt]

Agree with most of what you say except the age part.
Saka at Arsenal was relied upon from 19, then there are players like Yamal, Musiala, Mbappe, Bellingham list goes on. If you are good enough then it doesn't matter
Garnacho is going through a dip in form, its pretty normal for players his age, no big deal as long as the club and coaching staff deal with it properly
Saying that, even in poor form he is a big threat to the opposition

funnily, they also having bad form and idiot fans already called them frauds, washed up
Which that being said, ganacho's critcism is fair but most of those could go away if he learnt to just pass it to the nearest attackers.
Luckily, this can be fixed.

 

[MF1138]

This is basically completely made up in your head. People don’t dislike the guy, they dislike watching him be a constant starter for well over a year without the performances/progress that would merit it (not saying others have done better either)

Doesn’t mean he can’t improve, or that people dislike him as a person. Just means he’s graduated a bit at this point with his experience from just chalking up everything to “frustrating youngster”.

Sure... You're 100% right... Just don't read the post after yours it might prove you wrong

 

[jem]

Yet there is a bit of a very puncheable face on Garnacho going on too, plus some of his antics, like Rash and his jewell's in the NBA. Both for moments have that extra stuff that "helps" to make them an easier target, Bruno too shares some of this "aspects".

What antics are you referring to?

 

[Fobal]

What antics are you referring to?

He acts a bit too much full on himself at certain moments, even celebrations, the whole CR7 stuff, things like that. It's him, he won't change, neither it's actually wrong, but it will "help" people to be on him when things does not go well.

 

[jem]

He acts a bit too much full on himself at certain moments, even celebrations, the whole CR7 copycat thing, things like that. It's him, he won't change, neither it's actually wrong, but it will "help" people to be on him when things does not go well.

I think that's a real stretch - especially when he broke out the CR7 celebration after scoring a goal that even Ronaldo himself would've been envious of. He's had to deal with idiots like that clown Faz and all in all, I think he's handled it fairly well (not crazily celebrating a goal is hardly a huge crime.) For me, antics are what Rashford got up to in Belfast (and to a lesser degree in New York.) I haven't seen that from Garnacho.

 

[jigen]

Not good enough to play as attacking winger. But could be a very good wing back in Amorin system.

 

[Fobal]

I think that's a real stretch - especially when he broke out the CR7 celebration after scoring a goal that even Ronaldo himself would've been envious of. He's had to deal with idiots like that clown Faz and all in all, I think he's handled it fairly well (not crazily celebrating a goal is hardly a huge crime.) For me, antics are what Rashford got up to in Belfast (and to a lesser degree in New York.) I haven't seen that from Garnacho.

I remember acting a bit too much annoyed after a Ten Hag substitution too...anyway, my original comment was just a joke regarding his appearence.

 

[The Cat]

He's 20 isn't he?

Has also been pretty much the highlight of the season so far.

I don't understand the criticism really.

 

[Lyng]

And fecking pass too.

This is horrendous but this is what you will get from a kid some times. He will get better decision making with proper coaching and experience. Giving up on him would be mental.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

What does "he's 20" actually mean to some of you?

Does it mean that fans can't be annoyed when he ignores teammates in far better positions to do something selfish?

We were all annoyed when Ronaldo did stuff like that, we all grumbled then we all praised him and were happy when he improved.

None of this is new or needs this cringeworthy moral indignation.

 

[Lyng]

What does "he's 20" actually mean to some of you?

Does it mean that fans can't be annoyed when he ignores teammates in far better positions to do something selfish?

We were all annoyed when Ronaldo did stuff like that, we all grumbled then we all praised him and were happy when he improved.

None of this is new or needs this cringeworthy moral indignation.

No it's absolutely fair to be frustrated and I fully expect him to get a proper bollocking from Amorim. It's just the whole "he is useless, let's sell him" notion that is tiresome. Same for Rasmus.

 

[Shark]

What does "he's 20" actually mean to some of you?

Does it mean that fans can't be annoyed when he ignores teammates in far better positions to do something selfish?

We were all annoyed when Ronaldo did stuff like that, we all grumbled then we all praised him and were happy when he improved.

None of this is new or needs this cringeworthy moral indignation.

Obviously not. It means that we still have to maintain relative level of patience instead of throwing toys out of the pram when he has an erratic performance.

 

[Giggsyking]

This is horrendous but this is what you will get from a kid some times. He will get better decision making with proper coaching and experience. Giving up on him would be mental.

20 years is no excuse. Comparing him to tens of players at his age and even younger, he is too selfish. He need to understand this is a team sport. Not only fans were frustrated with him yesterday, but also his teammates who showed their frustration to him several times.

 

[JJ12]

He's become underrated because our fans are absolutely ridiculous. Insufferable bunch in large parts.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Obviously not. It means that we still have to maintain relative level of patience instead of throwing toys out of the pram when he has an erratic performance.

What's "throwing your toys out of the pram" in this context?

I'd say anything about his performance is totally fair game for criticism, as with every player.

 

[Shark]

What's "throwing your toys out of the pram" in this context?

I'd say anything about his performance is totally fair game for criticism, as with every player.

Completely writing off young players when they have poor games or form, as we've seen with both Garnacho and Hojilund on this forum, from specific posters.

 

[Cassidy]

funnily, they also having bad form and idiot fans already called them frauds, washed up
Which that being said, ganacho's critcism is fair but most of those could go away if he learnt to just pass it to the nearest attackers.
Luckily, this can be fixed.

He also used to pass the ball more in his first season

 

[The Cat]

No it's absolutely fair to be frustrated and I fully expect him to get a proper bollocking from Amorim. It's just the whole "he is useless, let's sell him" notion that is tiresome. Same for Rasmus.

Bingo.

 

[Hammondo]

He's 20 isn't he?

Has also been pretty much the highlight of the season so far.

I don't understand the criticism really.

I would say Amad is, Garnacho has been a bit disappointing outside a few moments.

 

[NicolaSacco]

Exactly and skill wise Ronaldo was just streets ahead of him at the same point.

Ronaldo had issues with decision making yes but talent wise he was another level it was plain to see.

Garnacho is just nowhere near as talented so his best bet is to learn to be learn to be a better team player

I don’t think he’s got Ronaldo’s talent (who has?), but he’s comfortably outscoring Ronaldo at that age, in a worse team, so there are surely areas where he is superior as well as areas where he is worse.

 

[Rasmus_9]

I actually find it disgusting the abuse and negativity that Garno gets on here. He’s a 20 year old academy graduate that came into the team at a really difficult moment. He’s one of the few players in our team who puts his hand up and takes responsibility during the game. Every time he receives the ball he gets me off my feet with his directness (a trait that is very obviously a Man Utd player trait) He also works his socks off and leaves everything on the pitch (something much more high profile players can’t seem to do)

Yes he’s inconsistent and needs to be more composed but he has all the tools to be a very good player for us over the next 10 years and if/when he puts it altogether he has the tools to be world class. Very few 20 year olds across the world have better outputs than Garnacho: let’s support him shall we?

 

[Mike Smalling]

The criticism is a bit over the top, but there is definitely an interesting contrast to Diallo. They have approx. the same amount of senior appearances, but Diallo is much smarter with the ball. It’s not only N age and experience thing with Garna.

 

[jem]

I remember acting a bit too much annoyed after a Ten Hag substitution too...anyway, my original comment was just a joke regarding his appearence.

Fair enough - he does have a curious face; like an NPC from an early 2000's video game

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Completely writing off young players when they have poor games or form, as we've seen with both Garnacho and Hojilund on this forum, from specific posters.

Sure and when this starts being something that is a remotely regular occurrence then it might start to explain the none stop "he's only 20 lads" posts.

 

[Fobal]

Fair enough - he does have a curious face; like an NPC from an early 2000's video game

The typical nowadays middle age monk haicut and don't forget his eyebrow...in fact, maybe with just a more "regular/ common" look he'll looked better and less "trying to hard", the lad has his looks...jokes aside, dunno maybe it's precisly that with him, his choices. When playing, whith his looks, copying too early Cris, in any case he needs some guidance, it's not easy to grow up under the huge spolight Man Utd is and he has appeared in one of the worst moments of United. He certainly does not need over the top critics. He might grab that Puskas awards and that it's for ever, he certainly has achieved way more than the huge majority of us in his area and maybe even already saved his life financially.

 

[NotChatGPT]

Meh, he’s still young and he’s got plenty of time to adjust his game, he keeps getting into great positions and now he needs to learn how to make the most out of it.