Honestly I've seen a few posts on here lately that are straight ripped from ai engines.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 18
- Goals
- 7
- Assists
- 4
- Yellow cards
- 1
Yeah just get off the forum with that shit
He appears a constant threat as he runs all day and takes the most shots by far among our forwards mostly due to selfishness. How many times has he ignored his runners and opted to shoot or go solo for personal glory? The quality of his shooting and finishing can be much better too. Garnacho will shoot when the shot isn't on, ignoring a teammate in a better position, rinse and repeat. His chance creation is not of the required quality either.
For instance, Garnacho's xA of 0.5 in the league is lower than Rashford (1.2) and Amad's (1). He also has less big chances created (1) compared to Rashford and Amad who have 4 and 2 big chances created respectively. Even Zirkzee has created 2 big chances, but his xA is the lowest at 0.3 which is a negligible difference with Garnacho's aforementioned 0.5.
Amad has created more chances (13) than any of our forwards and has played the least among them. Rashford and Garnacho have created 11 and 10 respectively
Those stats show you where Garnacho is lacking. There should be more to his game than just pace, directness, countless attempts at goal and 'heart'. These attributes obviously endear him to the fanbase, and I've seen posts here that claim he's the only forward that plays the so called United way. However, his selfishness surely must make him the most frustrating player for our other forwards to play with. I hope Amorim coaches these bad habits out of him.
I completely agree that Alejandro Garnacho is one of the most thrilling young players to watch right now. His combination of speed, skill, and creativity make him a real handful for defenders, and there’s no doubt he has the potential to be a game-changer. At just 19, he’s already proven he’s capable of pulling off the spectacular and delivering in key moments, which is a testament to his confidence and flair on the field.
However, one aspect of his game that he really needs to work on is his tendency to hold onto the ball a bit too long. Garnacho has this knack for wanting to take on defenders, which is great when it works, but there are times when he seems reluctant to pass when a teammate is in a better position. It’s almost as if he gets caught up in the excitement of creating something himself, rather than making the smarter, simpler play that could lead to better opportunities. This “ball-hog” mentality, while entertaining at times, can be frustrating to watch, especially when a quick pass could open up the game more effectively.
That said, it’s a part of his growth as a player. The best players learn when to go for the solo effort and when to involve the team. Garnacho has all the tools to be a special talent; if he can develop that vision and willingness to distribute the ball, he’ll become a much more rounded and dangerous player. For now, fans will have to take the good with the bad, but watching him learn and refine this aspect of his game will be an exciting journey.
I really rate Garnacho but I do think he's judged too favourably and probably judges himself too favourably. When a young player does well at a top club there's an automatic assumption that they'll end up a top player.
If he was at a midtable club he'd be judged more accurately and have some of these flaws ironed out. For instance you can't be as greedy as he is at a lesser club as fans would be on his back instantly. He's probably a player that would have benefited from a loan early on and I've said that about Rashford before too, they both needed to be humbled a bit.
Hopefully Amorim enforced his system and bring some of these highlight chasers to heel.
If he was at a midtable club he'd be judged more accurately and have some of these flaws ironed out. For instance you can't be as greedy as he is at a lesser club as fans would be on his back instantly. He's probably a player that would have benefited from a loan early on and I've said that about Rashford before too, they both needed to be humbled a bit.
Hopefully Amorim enforced his system and bring some of these highlight chasers to heel.
Tbh people are copying from gpt even in research journal papers. I have seen research papers in reputed journals where the author forgot to delete the parts such as "certainly. Here is the solution.." and it got published
.Tbh people are copying from gpt even in research journal papers. I have seen research papers in reputed journals where the author forgot to delete the parts such as "certainly. Here is the solution.." and it got published
insane but yeah, the use of AI - not only in academics, but in the workplace as well is becoming an issue at times, as people struggle to distinguish between when it's appropriate to use, and when it isn't. Anyway, back on topic. Garnacho is a very selfish player. He needs to mature in his play, and mature fast, because he's not good enough to justify all those stupid selfish decisions he continuously takes.
They both worship Ronaldo
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Not saying you did that here, but it was always funny when people were worried about those clubs coming in for Garnacho. They won't touch him with a barge pole. Wingers of his ilk are dime a dozen. He's really nothing special at all.
Hopefully Amorim can teach him how to pass.
Did young Vini Jr. had average pace, unable to dribble or pass for shit with average workrate and average output? Cause that is what Garnacho is right now. It's not just his decision making that's lacking.
He got himself in dangerous positions multiple times and it wasn’t by running down blind alleys. Once it was literally, counterintuitively, by standing still. He absolutely fumbled these opportunities (two were especially good and he didn’t even force a good save out of Sanchez) but he certainly got into them.
As I responded to another poster, why do you think it's just his decision making that's lacking?
- You rarely see him beating anyone with his dribbling from a standpoint as he just doesn't have the skill. He'll beat some players with pace because he's got average pace(for comparison, Rashford at the same age had blistering pace) but it's not anything special.
- He's lightweight, can't pass for shit and it's not even down to decision making. He misplaces simple 5 yard passes. You just have to look at the first goal West Ham scored last week and the last game where Casemiro gave him a bollocking to see what I'm talking about.
- Again the same two instances can be used to highlight his average workrate as he did nothing after giving the ball away.
- Average to pathetic finishing as well. Missed an open goal against Fulham in the opening game of the season, some very good opportunities wasted against Palace, same against West Ham and his ballooned shot right into Sanchez last night when there was literally no one around him was just laughable.
All he really is an average player with some good off the ball movement. He needs to show a hell lot to be able to say he's got world class potential or he's going to be an unbelievable player.
I think that comparison may still be valid even if Garnacho doesn’t possess Viní’s overall skillset. It’s a stylistic comparison and they suffer(ed) from the same weaknesses even though the Brazilian was always a few levels ahead of him as a dribbler (and as an overall technician, maybe with the exception of acrobatic finishing).
Garnacho doesn’t have average pace though (he’s plenty fast even though he’s not Robben/Bale/Giggs fast) and his output isn’t “average” (I’m pretty sure that he’s the most productive U-21 player in top-5 leagues not named Yamal)… especially compared to young Viní who struggled massively with end product to the point when Benzema openly said to their Madrid teammates not to pass the ball to him (they’ve made up later and formed a great partnership).
Viní was clearly a more talented player at the same age, you don’t need the power of hindsight to say that, but Garnacho is a very talented winger on his own. His brain and attitude may stop him from fully realizing that potential though unless Amorim will be able to fix these issues.
His output is absolutely average when looking at the amount of chances he gets and the number of shots he takes while ignoring teammates. Rashford at the same age had blistering pace and the same can't be said for Garnacho. Precisely why I think he has average pace. Garnacho lacks a lot more than just decision making in my opinion as I highlighted in another post.
Of course but you can be sure all his hangers on, family and agent are telling him otherwise.
The amount of chances he “gets” isn’t something that every young attacker gets by default. It’s a skill, probably his best one. But if you think that Garnacho’s pace is average I doubt that we’ll come to any sort of understanding on any football-related matter, we clearly have different understanding of the basic terms and fundamentals of the game.
Not sure I'd say he has more than average pace for a winger. Just doesn't appear anywhere near quick enough when on the ball. He maybe faster in a foot race without the ball but for a top team that isn't much use. And I've already acknowledged his only good attribute is his off the ball movement which is why he gets those chances. Rest of his game is nowhere the level required to say he has world class potential.
By phrasing your post like that “his output is absolutely average… when looking at the amount of chances he gets” you manage to turn his great attribute into a negative somehow. You didn’t say his finishing is poor, which is hard to argue against, you’ve said that his output is average (which it literally isn’t, as he’s the second most productive U-21 attacker in the world — if someone in the 99 percentile is average, what is average?).
I don’t think that he’s going to turn into a world-class player personally. But if you’re criticizing him, criticize him fairly, he has enough actual flaws.
He should be a sub who comes on for a starting left winger, unfortunately we have Rashford so we are forced to start Garnacho more than he should be doing. He doesn't really have any stand out features.
We're usually starting both of them, so I would suggest if he's starting too many games the issue is more that neither Antony or Diallo are offering much.
I mentioned that his finishing is average in a different post, which directly impacts his total output. If he were a better finisher, his output would certainly be higher. I don’t think it’s unfair to evaluate his output based on the number of chances he gets, which at this point is average. And goals are the biggest contributor to his output as he barely looks to create for other players.
I also don’t care if he’s considered the second most productive U-21 attacker in the world; many of those players probably didn't already have 100 senior appearances at a supposedly big club.
Take him out the team and last season is even worse, this season is a disaster. But fans want to hang him out to dry, when he's outperforming his seniors.
I can understand and agree he needs to do better, but this hatred that has come out of this game is disgusting. Then we will say that players are weak, when a big part of it is that the fanbase is quite abusive. No amount of salary justifies that.
The kid is clearly trying, and yes he's trying too hard. The questions should be asking who is taking responsibility to guide and develop him...
Talent comes to this club and dies, at some point someone has to realise it's more than just the players.
I can understand and agree he needs to do better, but this hatred that has come out of this game is disgusting. Then we will say that players are weak, when a big part of it is that the fanbase is quite abusive. No amount of salary justifies that.
The kid is clearly trying, and yes he's trying too hard. The questions should be asking who is taking responsibility to guide and develop him...
Talent comes to this club and dies, at some point someone has to realise it's more than just the players.
Is that where the captain also comes under fire? Surely they should look to guide the younger players and work with them to address “issues”.
Garnacho is predominantly a left winger, his direct competition is Rashford. There shouldn't be a scenario where a Garnacho level player should be keeping the 2nd highest paid player, star boy of Manchester United out of his preferred position.
When Rashford plays on the left it's more often than not Garnacho starting on the right.
Said this earlier. Now I’ve gone back to watch that play in the 94th minute and I’m fuming all over
Fergie would have fried him. He really plays in his head as the main character sometimes
Fergie would have fried him. He really plays in his head as the main character sometimes
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that's tragic
Tbh people are copying from gpt even in research journal papers. I have seen research papers in reputed journals where the author forgot to delete the parts such as "certainly. Here is the solution.." and it got published
that's tragicIn his head he thinks he's Ronaldo, but his technical ability is not even worth to compare with that of a teenage Ronaldo. Garnacho's ceiling at beast is a bench warmer for a title challenging side. People should stop indulging him or deluding themselves just because he graduated the academy into a struggling first team.
Nobody is hyping up Garnacho or saying he's the best thing ever. He's still learning his trade, and was had the 3rd best output last season and is 1st this.
The hate train is absolutely uncalled for. He can and likely will get better.
The least I, and I suspect most fans, expect of him is that he passes to teammates in better positions. That's all. It's not asking a lot, is it?!
Can you name 5 other 20 year olds or younger that would keep him out of the Premier League Top 5 wonder kids?
He’s petulant. And his body language when things don’t go his way is appalling. Hopefully he will cut it out.
Take him out the team and maybe someone else gets a chance to step up and match his contributions. It's a team sport. I don't see any examples of 'hatred' in this thread, only posts pointing out the fallacies in his game that we surely all hope he irons out under our incoming manager
I actually think, apart from the selfishness that shows especially when he plays on the left, that his attitude is one of the best things he has going for him, because he’ll fail constantly in a game but generally continue to try to be as direct as ever where some young players will try to just play it simple and get out of the spotlight.
But I think the sneaky truth is just that he’s a good but not great talent. That doesn’t mean he can’t be a useful or productive PL winger (he’s got good enough instincts to score a solid amount of goals), but this notion that he’s some budding superstar is off base as well I think. Hes not enough of a physical or technical anomaly to rate him that highly, and the issue right now is that he’s being indulged like one (partly out of necessity since we don’t have great wingers right now).
Top teenagers with superstar type potential generally have standout traits you can point to. I just don’t think Garnacho has one. He’s a decent takeon threat, has solid pace, good attacking instincts off the ball, and will generally work hard as feck in possession, but he’s extremely inconsistent with his ball striking, is a poor passer and crosser of the ball who doesn’t see the field well, isn’t some Martial type dribbler who has the ball glued to his feet, and is quick but hardly a track star who struggles with his balance and strength on the ball against bigger defenders.
I'm sure his captain won't stand for awful body language and petulance.
Young players need freedom so that they can express themselves and I think he has been given all the freedom in the world to do whatever he wants. Amorim needs to properly coach him. He can be a class player if he makes better decisions on the pitch and play for the team.
I'm with you here. We really have a lot of toxic fans, especially Online. (Not sure if it's extreme with our fanbase or just a general thing these days).
Was the same with Rashford. The behaviour in Forums and Social Media towards him was quite toxic since autumn 2016. One or two bad games and everyone was calling for his head.
No wonder the guy looks burned out meanwhile.
Yes they are on a huge salary, but they are still human and I imagine it is not easy to cope mentally when you get attacked of being shit, selfish, overrated and so on by thousands.