[OverratedOpinion]

Out of my system?

There’s a fella on here calling 20 year old United players cnuts and not one of you said a word.

I call him out and offer some balance as to why a young player trying to break through in a dysfunctional team might deserve a small bit of benefit of the doubt and my notifications blow up with a load of you falling over each other to declare how shit and hopeless he is.

A small bit of perspective and self reflection would go a long way.

Maybe you should take a deep breath.

People were pointing out that your assumption that he's clearly on his way to being a world class player doesn't seem to reflect what we see on the pitch. You then breakdown and start calling me a fanny and a keyboard warrior

I saw the lad calling him a cnut and whatever else and yeah it was idiotic. Garnacho still hasn't shown the attributes of a future world class player.

 

[NZT-One]

Was never as optimistic and enthusiastic as others in this thread about him but I think, thats a bit of what you get when a player gets some sort of hype. They believe their shit and it isn't good for their development. That being said, same as for Mainoo, United should have a stern word with themselves how to prevent those situations where a club of that size has to put so much pressure on such young players.

I think, it is time for Garnacho to have a break. His decision making is so bad and my feeling is that it is like that because of overconfidence in his own ability. Looking at Rashford, we absolutely have the blueprint of why that should be prevented right there.

 

[daba]

This guy...

He's infuriating.

Infuriating.

Only word for it.

There’s potential there but he has a lot of work to do. Hopefully Amorim can get through to him but otherwise I’d honestly be open to selling him if a £50m bid comes in over the summer.

 

[diarm]

Maybe you should take a deep breath.

People were pointing out that your assumption that he's clearly on his way to being a world class player doesn't seem to reflect what we see on the pitch. You then breakdown and start calling me a fanny and a keyboard warrior

I saw the lad calling him a cnut and whatever else and yeah it was idiotic. Garnacho still hasn't shown the attributes of a future world class player.

I’m calm as can be. I’m not in the gang throwing toys out of the pram after a matchday thread and lashing out at kids.

I also didn’t “assume he’s on his way to being world class”. I offered my opinion that I believe there’s a world class player in him, but that the chances of him realising that potential are being impeded by the side he is coming up in. It’s real clear in my post and whatever you think of that opinion, him being on the shortlist and ranking highly for the golden boy award suggests there are plenty in the game who feel the same way.

 

[Woziak]

Think it is an issue that Garnacho doesn't have any experience peers to compete with or actually he has no real competitors at all. Therefore in the back of his head he has no urgency to deliver and perform every game. Which young players normally will have, if they were in a highly competitive squad.

And there we have it, an actual honest appraisal of the club’s real issues. Even Ole had a Cavani, Ronaldo or Igalho all experienced strikers who offered so much more than just goals, they were leaders of the line. Mourinho had Zlatan and a Lukaku who even at his 100kg and 31 age would walk into this side that’s how bad our options are right now; Let’s Analyse our options ;

M Rashford - Age 27, Mentally brittle, has the ability but has to be the main man played 10 PL games this season, has 1 goal and 1 assist. Last season he played 33 Games 7 Goals and 2 assists. His current form is 43 PL games 8 goals and 3 assists. That’s 1 GI in 3.95 Games - Academy

Antony - Age 24 , obnoxious.personality, thinks he’s far better than he is, won’t play in other positions for the coach, generally a CNUT. 2 PL games this season and last year he had 29 PL games with 1 goal and 1 assist, Why is he still here? He’s 1 GI in 16.5
Let that sink in for one moment, we spent £82m at the berest of ETH for an inverted right winger that takes 16 matches to create or score a Goal.

Amad - Age 22, genuinely looks like a decent talent but he’s not playing enough and he’s still too young to be one of our main playmakers, his development should be from the bench he has 8 PL with 1 goal 1 assist this season and last year 9 matches for 1 and 1 so he’s played 17 PL games with 2 goals and 2 assists, so 1 GI in 4.25 PL games.- Cost £24m

Rasmus Hojlund - Age 22 needs a lot of development, also due to his pace has injury concerns, the system doesn’t suit him but he had a chance when the ref blew up for a free kick and he couldn’t finish that, he has 1 PL goal in 6 this season, starting slowly again for the second year running, last season 10pl goals 2 assists from 30 matches so he has 11 PL goals and 2 assists in 36 Matches which is 1 in 2.76, the stats suggest he’s the one you keep right now but as a back up striker not the starting 11 - Cost £64m

Alejandro Garnacho - Age 21 , poor football IQ, offside frequently, over plays when he needs to keep it simple and gives the ball away far too much. This season 10 games 2 goals 1 assists, last season 36 matches 7 goals 4 assists that’s 14 GI in 46 which is 1 in 3.28, these stats would be fine for a bench player like Rashford both should be on the bench and told if they want to to start for a club like Man United you need to be hitting 1 in 2 so if your not confident of scoring start creating goals for other players.

Joshua Zirkzee - Age 23, looks not fit for purpose for this league, pace, IQ intensity he has 1 goal and 1 assist in 10 that’s 1 Goal involvement in 5 which means he’s not good enough to even be a squad player at this club. He needs more than 10 PL games and he needs a fitness coach working with him on a 1 on 1. However if he hasn’t improved to 1 in 3 by the year end we need to off load him in January and use the fee we receive with Antony sale value to seriously invest in January Cost £38m

Conclusion
We could move Bruno, Mount or Eriksen as one of the inside forwards/Number 10, Sell Rashford, Zirkzee and Antony and replace them with Viktor Gyokeres, Brian Mbeumo and Danny Wellbeck leaving Amad, Rasmus snd Garnaucho on the bench to develop at the right pace.

 

[Ish]

You're kidding right.?There is a number of PL wingers I'd have over him.

Yeah, I’d prefer to give him some more time in fairness, hoping Amorim can coach some logic into him. But I hear you, I was probably being very kind with the likes of Semenyo, Mbuemo, Eze (outside of the Pool/City bunch), probably way more matured and effective then him at this point.

 

[Adisa]

 

[cpresc]

Only word for it.

There’s potential there but he has a lot of work to do. Hopefully Amorim can get through to him but otherwise I’d honestly be open to selling him if a £50m bid comes in over the summer.

Madness

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I’m calm as can be. I’m not in the gang throwing toys out of the pram after a matchday thread and lashing out at kids.

I also didn’t “assume he’s on his way to being world class”. I offered my opinion that I believe there’s a world class player in him, but that the chances of him realising that potential are being impeded by the side he is coming up in. It’s real clear in my post and whatever you think of that opinion, him being on the shortlist and ranking highly for the golden boy award suggests there are plenty in the game who feel the same way.

Garnacho is in about as indulgent of a situation and team as possible though, this isn’t a Mainoo situation where he’s being left to do graveyard shifts or never getting serviced. He gets to start every week, takes more shots than anyone in the team, in his preferred position, and is afforded chance after chance regardless of how poor he is. It’s about as good of a situation as a young winger could have to try and make an impact.

 

[Rossa]

Lots of knee jerk reactions. He’s s a good young player, but he’s also not 17 anymore and he’s still too selfish. He needs to develop and refine his game and find out what his football is.

He’s not fast enough to play like Bale or a young Giggs or Kanschelskis. He’s not a good enough dribbler or agile enough to play as a Nani or a Ribery. However, he is very tenacious, great technique when running with the ball and has a low centre of gravity. He’s also a good, albeit erratic finisher.

 

[Rossa]

Garnacho is in about as indulgent of a situation and team as possible though, this isn’t a Mainoo situation where he’s being left to do graveyard shifts or never getting serviced. He gets to start every week, takes more shots than anyone in the team, in his preferred position, and is afforded chance after chance regardless of how poor he is. It’s about as good of a situation as a young winger could have to try and make an impact.

True, but what is the impact? Is he moulded into a goalscoring winger like Salah? A creator? A pacy dribbler? I think the goalscoring type is where he would excel, but then he needs to improve his finishing and decision making.

 

[Adamsk7]

He has me screaming at the screen in frustration today. Still not sure how good he’ll become.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Frustrating.

And I'm still not sure how good he is/can be. Pretty sure he's a level below Mainoo in terms of talent, but he could develop well under Amorim.

 

[Plant0x84]

Needs a loan to the championship.

You can’t be serious.

 

[SungSam7]

Needs a loan to the championship.

Should be timeouts brought in for posts like this

 

[Plant0x84]

Nacho was no more or less pants than everyone around him. Nobody had a good game today. We weren’t scoring from open play, lucky to get a draw.

Can’t believe we are singling out the only player on our team who tries to make stuff happen though.

 

[diarm]

Garnacho is in about as indulgent of a situation and team as possible though, this isn’t a Mainoo situation where he’s being left to do graveyard shifts or never getting serviced. He gets to start every week, takes more shots than anyone in the team, in his preferred position, and is afforded chance after chance regardless of how poor he is. It’s about as good of a situation as a young winger could have to try and make an impact.

Indulgence is not what a young player like him needs though. He needs to be surrounded by players who are better than him and who will hold him accountable. Being the guy people look to to win us games week in, week out is doing him no favours.

Our leaders can’t hold him accountable because they are misplacing passes and making awful decisions every bit as often as he is.

 

[Footyislife]

By far our best attacking player. If we just paid him and Bruno with 2-3 other comptetant attackers we'd score for fun.

 

[Berbaclass]

Nacho was no more or less pants than everyone around him. Nobody had a good game today. We weren’t scoring from open play, lucky to get a draw.

Can’t believe we are singling out the only player on our team who tries to make stuff happen though.

Make stuff happen yeah but for him and nobody else.

 

[Silverman]

As stated, he's got a lot of potential but we're at a stage now where we need our players to start showing what they can do.
We still need a clearout and every player should be playing for their futures now.

 

[ExoduS]

Did some good stuff, did some bad stuff. Most annoying lackluster effort on some loose balls - that should be unacceptable.

 

[Woziak]

Madness

It’s not madness if he doesn’t fit the system, he’s not a wing back, we’ve indulged him, Rashford and Antony for far too long, if we don’t see a huge up turn in Zirkzee form as well, he’s another who won’t make it at this club if he continues his current form let me be clear here I’m not saying we should sell Garnaucho, he’s probably at the bottom of the list with Højlund and Amad, however if we could trade the following 4 striker options of Rashford, Garnaucho, Antony and Zirkzee, assuming we get £150-160m for all four for the Brian Mbeumo, Victor Gyrokeres, Kvicha Kvaratskhelia for maybe an additional £30-40m and bring through a Wheatley, Shea Lacey or Biancheri how many fans would be that upset with those new options.

We need to give the conversation balance

 

[saik]

Nacho was no more or less pants than everyone around him. Nobody had a good game today. We weren’t scoring from open play, lucky to get a draw.

Can’t believe we are singling out the only player on our team who tries to make stuff happen though.

If he tried to make stuff happen, he would be passing a bit more though.

 

[saik]

By far our best attacking player. If we just paid him and Bruno with 2-3 other comptetant attackers we'd score for fun.

He is not. He's the biggest problem in our attack this season. Look at some of his misses just from this season alone.

 

[Chief123]

Hes amazing at getting shots off. Constantly finds himself in dangerous positions, very intelligent movement and a very professional attitude. A lot of these things can't really be taught.

I'm not saying he's going to be world class. There is a lot he needs to work on. But I'd go as far to say that his max potential is around that level.

All depends on whether he can kick on. He's still only 20!

I’m not sure the bolded part is something to be praised. We also have another winger who is amazing at getting shots off in Antony. It just doesn’t end very well. What is praiseworthy when getting shots off actually results in end product.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

By far our best attacking player. If we just paid him and Bruno with 2-3 other comptetant attackers we'd score for fun.

He was our worst player today, until Zirkzee came on. Almost constantly takes the wrong decision.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Too big for his boots.

 

[Footyislife]

He is not. He's the biggest problem in our attack this season. Look at some of his misses just from this season alone.

Comical when there is a player called Marcus Rashford on the pitch that ALL of our rival fans openly ridicule us about.

Literally all my mates laugh that Sir T-Rashford is their favorite player cause he makes us sick and it's shocking how horrible our ownership is for not letting managers bench him.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

"By far our best attacker" and "the only one who tries to make things happen" according to some on here.

F**k me.

 

[FrankDrebin]

If only we were in a position to integrate young prospects into the first team squad without being negligent and throw them in because its 'the United way'.

Nothing is sensible about this club.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Think it is an issue that Garnacho doesn't have any experience peers to compete with or actually he has no real competitors at all. Therefore in the back of his head he has no urgency to deliver and perform every game. Which young players normally will have, if they were in a highly competitive squad.

Spot on. There's no one to push him. He's been wasting chances and promising positions but there's no one there to give him a proper bollocking either.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

Spot on. There's no one to push him. He's been wasting chances and promising positions but there's no one there to give him a proper bollocking either.

Casemiro went through him for a shortcut when he ignored Mazraoui's overlap and it ended up in a Chelsea counterattack that Cas had to take a yellow card for.

I'm hoping that roasting hits home and he starts becoming a team player.

 

[gobertan]

We should move him on while his value is at it's highest. Don't see him developing into a world class forward at this point. Hasn't helped his development coming into a side with little senior competition at his position but he's clearly not ready to be a starter in this league.

 

[elmo]

Terribly selfish. Would be a great player if he knew when to fecking pass the ball to others.

 

[Jericho]

Lots of knee jerk reactions. He’s s a good young player, but he’s also not 17 anymore and he’s still too selfish. He needs to develop and refine his game and find out what his football is.

He’s not fast enough to play like Bale or a young Giggs or Kanschelskis. He’s not a good enough dribbler or agile enough to play as a Nani or a Ribery. However, he is very tenacious, great technique when running with the ball and has a low centre of gravity. He’s also a good, albeit erratic finisher.

I wouldn't say the reactions are knee jerk, he's been very poor for awhile.

It's clear to see what he's bad at, but it's not very clear what he's good. He's "tenacious" but what use is that when he doesn't have the quality to do anything with it. IMO he's just a downgrade on Rashford, who himself has his own problems.

 

[Grande]

I wouldn't say the reactions are knee jerk, he's been very poor for awhile.

It's clear to see what he's bad at, but it's not very clear what he's good. He's "tenacious" but what use is that when he doesn't have the quality to do anything with it. IMO he's just a downgrade on Rashford, who himself has his own problems.

He’s been poor for a few games. For the Rashford comparison, try to notice even in this game - his worst in a year - how much more often he is in dangerous situations than Marcus. It’s like 10 to 1. It’s not about throwing dice. I think he’s possibly our top scorer this season, and you could say look what his competition is, but then that competition is Rashford, so the downgrade remark is a bit off to me atm.

By the way, I had him as our worst player today by far.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

A thick selfish cnut and will be for the remainder of his career, no coach will change that.

Best of luck in your endeavour to progress from newbie to full member.

 

[daba]

Inexcusable piece of play. Casemiro rightly gave him a bollocking on the pitch.

 

[saik]

Comical when there is a player called Marcus Rashford on the pitch that ALL of our rival fans openly ridicule us about.

Literally all my mates laugh that Sir T-Rashford is their favorite player cause he makes us sick and it's shocking how horrible our ownership is for not letting managers bench him.

There's nothing comical about it. Rashford has been a bit more measured this season trying to take on a creative role even if it doesn't suit him at the expense of Garnacho just because Garnacho is our new star boy who we are indulging too much. Garnacho has literally been our biggest problem in attack this season. People look at the number of shots he takes and automatically assume he's our best attacker and how he makes stuff happen but then conveniently ignore how many good chances he's actually wasting and how many times he can put other players into better situations to score and then actively ignores them. Give Rashford the amount of chances we gave Garnacho this season and he'll actually end up scoring, at the bare minimum, half of them. That's how terrible Garnacho's been so far. Here's a highlight reel from today's game :



You can look for his highlights from any PL game this season and they won't be any different. He's basically costed us the Palace game, West Ham game and now the Chelsea game with his misses and selfishness. Even a midtable PL attacker would do a lot better with the chances he's had this season.

 

[saik]

Also, before anyone brings up "Ronaldo at 19/20 years old" comparisons, please don't. He has nothing over a 19-year old Ronaldo.