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It means "I decide what is racist, not you"
Same energyfeck me it's hard to keep track of all the racists now. Luckily we have plenty of self-righteous experts to point them out.
It means "I decide what is racist, not you"
Same energyfeck me it's hard to keep track of all the racists now. Luckily we have plenty of self-righteous experts to point them out.
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It doesn’t. It’s fecking disgraceful.And in what way does disrespecting our war dead solve these issues?
I mean she was harassing officers let's be fair.This is late but yes she did. She posted that she was arrested.
Have you maybe thought they are protesting something wrong in Britain as well not just in America? Or do you think Britain is racism free?How exactly does defacing the cenotaph in London and attempting to set the flags on top of it on fire bring justice for someone killed by a cop in America?
What exactly do Britain's war dead have to do with it?
Have you maybe thought that even if that is true it has feck all to do with memorials to our war dead?Have you maybe thought they are protesting something wrong in Britain as well not just in America? Or do you think Britain is racism free?
Have you maybe thought some issues are bigger than defacing a statue?Have you maybe thought that even if that is true it has feck all to do with memorials to our war dead?
I'm not saying he was a good man, but stalin and Hitler? Let's be sensible.please read below @fergies coat . Maybe you can get some context for what he stated, or sentiment rather.
Have you maybe thought some issues are bigger than defacing a statue?
It's not all about police brutality, and it's certainly not all about America.How exactly does defacing the cenotaph in London and attempting to set the flags on top of it on fire bring justice for someone killed by a cop in America?
What exactly do Britain's war dead have to do with it?
And what does this achieve exactly?Have you maybe thought some issues are bigger than defacing a statue?
First of all I’m vastly opposed to hunting as a sport. Secondly, the things you describe there can be viewed as bad through a subjective lens, whereas the subjugation and enslavement of other humans is objectively bad. There is a huge distance between that and the things you describe.You have no idea how people centuries from now will view us. We eat meat. We kill animals for fun. We lock people away for life sentences. We drive around in polluting cars and happily buy TVs brought across the world on oil burning container ships.
It's very arrogant of us to think we are doing it the right way now, and look down at those who lived in a different time. They thought they were doing it the right way too.
I am not calling for anything to be pulled down. Neither am I equating him with either Hitler or Stalin.As a brown person myself, I'm not defending Churchill but does that mean we bring down Queen Victoria's statues too? I'm sure she was far worse in her half decade of looting and pillaging. And all the other kings and queens and prime ministers? All that achieves is diluting the real cause which is the message that BLM.
Once again. What does disrespecting our war dead (especially one day after D-Day) have to do with any of this?It's not all about police brutality, and it's certainly not all about America.
It's certainly raised some awareness that Britain has a 'hero' that has said and done some horrible things.
Few defaced memorials are nothing compared to centuries of racism, genocide, systemic injustices and inequality.Once again. What does disrespecting our war dead (especially one day after D-Day) have to do with any of this?
I have now been sent numerous political one liners in response, but not a single answer to the question.
Ah ok. So two wrongs make a right then? Excellent argumentFew defaced memorials are nothing compared to centuries of racism, genocide, systemic injustices and inequality.
That's a rather juvenile view of things.Ah ok. So two wrongs make a right then? Excellent argument
As for the " tear" gas it's not what the National Archives have documented. Churchill calls it poisonous gas which in turn makes people sick. Yes they didn't use it because the cabinet refused to go along with it.I have to arrest you one one element here. The gas in question was tear gas. Not gas chambers, which you make it sound like. Also, in all these sudden attacks on everyone, where do we stop? Do we go back 200 years? 1000? 2000? Should Nelson Mandelas statue in London be teared down due to the bad things Mandela did also? Should we burn down the Colosseum because slaves were made to fight there for the entertainment of the Romans?
Exactly the point.It's got people talking tbf, more than if they spray painted a wall round the back of Sainsburys.
I thought you said one line responses aren't valid arguments. Interesting.Ah ok. So two wrongs make a right then? Excellent argument
Of course not, but there is a difference between the cenotaph and the statues. The statues aren’t erected in honour or respect of the individuals death but for the things that they did i.e in the slavers case the things they brought to the community or Churchill’s case - what he did in WW2. I would not argue against these statues being defaced because of the things that these men did individually in terms of enslaving others/their abhorrent racism.Few defaced memorials are nothing compared to centuries of racism, genocide, systemic injustices and inequality.
Unfortunately the british empire pillaged the worldBurning the cenotaph flags. If you hate this country so much then fecking leave!
But were their grandparents treated right after the war? Because a statue =/= they were.The Cenotaph isn't only for remembering white soldiers.
Yup it can be cleaned and repaired.Of course not, but there is a difference between the cenotaph and the statues. The statues aren’t erected in honour or respect of the individuals death but for the things that they did i.e in the slavers case the things they brought to the community or Churchill’s case - what he did in WW2. I would not argue against these statues being defaced because of the things that these men did individually in terms of enslaving others/their abhorrent racism.
The cenotaph is honouring and respecting those that have died in wars, from all races and backgrounds. You are right that it’s just a bit of paint/whatever and it can be easily fixed and erased but I can understand a bit more why someone would feel a bit upset about that, especially if their close relatives have fought and died in wars.
what the feck does that even mean?But were their grandparents treated right after the war? Because a statue =/= they were.
That's a rather juvenile view of things.
It's a protest. Couple things get broken.
Its nothing compared to thousands of lives lost.
Edit - okay not thousands, COUNTLESS lives lost.
Is being hurt over the BLM movement really the side of history you want to be on?Yea, I'm the juvenile for thinking that the primary national monument to the men who gave their lives fighting the Nazi's (among countles other dead souls - a great many of whom were not white) is more than 'a couple of statues' which should be considered meaningless.
When your peaceful protest starts to disrespect those who died to ensure such protests are legal? Something has gone wrong.
I'm done this thread. fecking disgusted with some of the posts.
Reading some posts here you’d think america is completely different and definitely not built on ideology that has its roots in colonialism.Unfortunately the british empire pillaged the world
Nobody said that did they. I didn't realise you had to choose between the two.So wait... you're more angry over a statue being defaced than centuries of racism, oppression, genocide, etc....
You just equated the removal of slave trader's statue with centuries of racism, genocide, systemic injustices and inequality.Ah ok. So two wrongs make a right then? Excellent argument
I thought I was done with this thread.You just equated the removal of slave trader's statue with centuries of racism, genocide, systemic injustices and inequality.
Just pointing that out to you.
Its gets even better .... You just equated the vandalism of one symbolic war memorial with centuries of racism, genocide, systemic injustices and inequality.I thought I was done with this thread.
But I didn't think I would need to point out that the national Cenotaph to our war dead in London has nothing to do with some statue in Bristol.
No. White privilege still applies. Hence colourism. Additionally, foreign folk who are sometimes less qualified will get the job than the local black person.But what exactly do you expect to happen in societies where majority of population is white? Is "black privilege" not a thing in African countries? I am genuinely curious about it.
The Cenotaph was not defaced according to Reuters. It was the Foreign and Commonwealth Office that was.
Do some research about treatment of black soldiers when they returned from the war.what the feck does that even mean?