How does a tea company acknowledging that black lives matter morally compound on anyone though? If you agree that they do, then good, its nice that more and more people are stating they do. If you dont, well, you are probably best silently stewing about it and buying from a different company.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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How does a tea company acknowledging that black lives matter morally compound on anyone though? If you agree that they do, then good, its nice that more and more people are stating they do. If you dont, well, you are probably best silently stewing about it and buying from a different company.
The Tories have been defunding the police for the past 10 years with crime increasing across the board, something the left have rightly been angry about. The idea that we defund the police even further is bonkers.
Police will never be dismantled, reformed yes, but never dismantled. And they are needed. This is a sick world. Discuss all you want but there is no chance in hell that happens. Or maybe people just want anarchy. Fighting racism is very important. But so is fighting crime, closing down pedofile rings, stopping human trafficking, protecting people from terrorists, stopping kidnappers and rescuing the victims, fighting against drugs etc. Everything seems so black and white and simple to so many in here. The world is a complex place. We should at some time protest until all nations dismantled all military services and spent all the money on fighting racism, stopping inequality in general, funding social benefits, health system, schools and all sorts of shit etc.
When people say "defund the police", they're not actually saying that the entire concept of police should be discarded. When you say "everything seems so black and white and simple to so many in here", you're immediately falling into your own trap, and find yourself arguing against a position which functionally doesn't exist (except for some actual anarchists, obviously, but most of the protestors aren't anarchists).
You want to design a whole policy around the outliers?
Biden finally does a decent speech. More empathy in 4 minutes than Trump has in nearly 4 years.
Rhodes will be next, I’d imagine Oriel College will have it down very soon:
That'd require them to actually do their jobs. Asking too much.
Except that has been said, a lot. A couple in here have said it. People have been saying it all week on social media even people I know personally. They have literally said policing should be abolished and people should set up agencies to deal with crimes and get their neighbours to act as mediators.
Yup but these tables have now turned. Somehow American coppers putting on a shit show has now convinced the left that policing in the U.K. has time travelled back to 1993. The left are now the ones advocating for police cuts.
I’ve also seen it said, also to abolish the police but keep certain sections like detectives and urgent response units which is basically the police under a new name anyway.
I can’t see the sense in calling it defund the police when the police have been crying out for more funding for years and crime is rising (I think). Surely they need more funding and training. Now I’m thinking While typing this, that must have started in America And now uk is copying it? I’ve no idea what’s really going on or protested anymore. I fully see that black lives matter is the main part of it all but there’s also police brutality in there and Britain needs to watch where it’s copying America too much as we have different problems don’t we?
There was an unwitting admission by the UK protesters that the police here are nothing like the US when all they could find to complain about at the weekend was that there were some police horses at the protest.
Defunding the police sort of makes sense if they’re buying loads of $250k armoured cars, like they do in the states. It makes feck all sense outside that American context. Like many things in these protests.
Despite the narrative in this thread, the vast majority are still behind the police and fully appreciate what you do mate.
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
To be clear, I do not believe the plandemic documentary. I posted it to see what the thoughts of the posters were. My argument was that whistleblowers do exist and that ideas that are on the other side should be looked at and analyzed and not just brushed under the rug as conspiracy theories.
Why? Because the government throughout history has not been truthful with everything in society. There have been cover-ups, lies, deceiving actions, etc. to hide what was being told to us.
One example I gave is Bob Lazar, who has concrete proof of his past with his work at S4 (near area 51) but the government/society did everything to erase his past (where he worked, what school he went to, etc.) in order to keep him quiet.
Charles Manson murder has also been altered with by the CIA and FBI.
These are just two small examples where the truth was altered. My question to you is why do we need to believe EVERYTHING the government tells us? Do we not learn by questioning things and being open to opposing ideas?
I agree that there is a lot of nonsense out there (misinformation with 5g, bill gates, etc). But I believe these things should be looked at analyzed on a case by case basis because not everything we are told is true.
Mainstream media is becoming less reliable, science has its biases at times - it's healthy to question things, no?
You are looking at a small part of the video and judging that. She stated that Floyd was not a martyr because he held a gun to a pregnant lady's belly. She lacks compassion because of that but of course she does not excuse what the officer did. Floyd was wrongfully murdered but her point is that he shouldn't be labelled as a hero or martyr because he wasn't a good person.
However, her main point is that black lives only matter when white people are the ones committing murder. She highlighted the stats that prove black people kill each other more than any other group.
She illustrated the stats that black people account for the minority in America, but commit the most crimes. She proved stats that black people on a per capita basis get killed less by cops than white people.
These are the points that I wanted the caf to address. If her point was that we shouldn't feel bad about Floyd then I highly disagree. She has stated that she wants justice for what happened to Floyd.
I support the black lives movement but I believe they need to do better. Everyone needs to do better. Police officers need to be trained better, we need to be educated more on black history, but black people need to do a better job at not killing their own as well. I believe a police officer can't value a black life because the value of a black life is being reduced every day due to black on black violence.
We all need to do better.
'Black on Black' Violence Argument
Gonna stop you right here, buddy. ’Black on black’ violence isn’t real.
edit: Actually let me address everything, as if hasn’t been explained 100000 times already.
Black people ‘kill each other’ more than white people kill them because of PROXIMITY. Obviously if you are in a BLACK community there are other black people around you so those will be who you interact with and are in your life more than anyone else.
White people in Glasgow also kill each other as they also have a big gang problem there too but why do you never hear the phrase white on white crime? Or what about countries like Honduras and El Salvador? (which btw have some of the highest homicide rates in the world). Why do you never hear the phrase ‘Hispanic on Hispanic’ crime (I am aware that black people can be Hispanic too but black Hispanics are a minority in these countries). Or what about back in the 20th century when white Italian mafia bosses killed other white Italian mafia members? Or people like Jesse and Frank James? Why was this never known as ‘white on white’ violence?
As for your other points, the stats around crime committing are usually skewed because black people are more likely to be wrongfully arrested or accused of committing crimes they didn’t. For the crimes that they actually DO commit, socio economic factors such as poverty, poor housing, no facilities in the community etc. usually lead to crime, and like I mentioned in a previous post just the other day, these things aren’t limited to black people and black communities. Just look at the conditions of some of the communities in these South American countries that operate the largest drug cartels. And black people shouldn’t have to not kill each other for the police to see us as human. They are law enforcers, representative of the people and are therefore held at a higher standard. Lastly, white people are killed more by police because there are more white people than anyone else in America.
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Yep, it's something white racists love to say, but since they often get called out on it they go through someone like Candace.
Just gonna drop this video here while we're on the subject. It's a little long, but very insightful. He starts off by calling her evil which made me think it was going to be preachy and sanctimonious, but he hits every nail on the head after that.
Please read the rest of my post.
Excellently put. Anything that happens in black communities, the narrative involves race. Anything that happens in white communities (Glasgow a good example as you mention, paedophile/sex abuse rings e.g. those around Epstein or Jimmy Savile/Yewtree investigation) it’s just an invisible and unspoken factor. Whiteness is never proffered as an explanation or cause for crimes, because it would rightly be viewed as utterly absurd. The ‘black on black’ narrative really needs consigning to the dustbins of history, and the fact it has any credibility in mainstream thought is a symptom of how deeply racist society remains.
Thanks for your posts. I've read them and will think on them
Exactly. People don’t question why violence between black people is the only type of intra community violence that is given a name.
You more than anyone.
It scares me that you’re trusted with an internet connection.
This bloke paints a pretty grim picture and while it's anecdotal it's another reason not to believe the 'bad apples' myth
Protests broke out in Göteborg and I just can't understand why, damaging property and looting, I never heard of police brutality being an issue in Sweden. Maybe I missed something.
The one complaint I have heard however is that the police in Sweden don't do enough, they're too lazy. But surely that isn't worth damaging the whole city for?
The one complaint I have heard however is that the police in Sweden don't do enough, they're too lazy. But surely that isn't worth damaging the whole city for?
University will rename student halls named after former Prime Minister William Gladstone
Students stressed the former Liberal Prime Minister's family links to slaveholding in a letter to the university of Liverpool's Vice Chancellor
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/university-rename-student-halls-named-18387566
Students stressed the former Liberal Prime Minister's family links to slaveholding in a letter to the university of Liverpool's Vice Chancellor
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/university-rename-student-halls-named-18387566
The rest is even more stupid and offensive when black communities actively fight against violence. Secondly murders are generally done within the community and since the US are a relatively segregated country blacks are more likely to kill blacks and whites are more likely to kill whites, in both case we are above 80%.
As for your last sentence, would you make the same claim when we are talking about white people, to make it clear 80% of muders where the victim is white was committed by a white offender, the stat for African Americans is 88%. You made that extremely stupid and offensive statement based on that delta?
Or Chicago. If it can be successful there, it should work anywhere.
There certainly seems to be some tangible gains already. It's hard to see at a cursory glance how many of these changes are as a direct result of the protests - as opposed to policies being already under review. The headlines are heartening though.
Ultimately, the question with police funding is one of value for money. In the big American cities at least, it's clear that they hit a point of diminishing returns on benefits from increasing the police budget a long time ago. 'Defund the police' is rooted in the idea that law enforcement in some areas is doing more damage to communities than it's preventing, that the reasons for that are institutional and unreformable and that the money would benefit the community more if the current structure was disbanded and the investment used to expand the roles and capabilities of other public bodies.
I think the thing a lot of both proponents and critics of the idea are missing is that in the vast majority of cases one or more of those public bodies would expand to cover some of the roles the current police do, or you'd basically just rebuild a police department from the ground up with more robust structures to stop it going rotten and with a set of roles and responsibilities that serves the needs of the community, rather than itself or politicians. In doing so you'd leave yourself with a lot more resource to tackle the causes of crime.
I think the thing a lot of both proponents and critics of the idea are missing is that in the vast majority of cases one or more of those public bodies would expand to cover some of the roles the current police do, or you'd basically just rebuild a police department from the ground up with more robust structures to stop it going rotten and with a set of roles and responsibilities that serves the needs of the community, rather than itself or politicians. In doing so you'd leave yourself with a lot more resource to tackle the causes of crime.
Apparently police in the UK are better so it’s alright. . .
62 & in his own house on his stairs!!! but UK protests are just following a trend!
*Unsure if this has been posted, if so apologies
62 & in his own house on his stairs!!! but UK protests are just following a trend!
*Unsure if this has been posted, if so apologies
Nice. We're just going to barge into your home and taze you before you know what's going on.
And people argue against changing an engagement model that clearly doesn't work very well.
And people argue against changing an engagement model that clearly doesn't work very well.
If he hadn't done anything wrong, he wouldn't have been tasered. For all the police know he could've been wielding 2 automatic shotguns which fire explosive rounds.
"So anyway, I started tazing"
"So anyway, I started tazing"
It's some weird next-level minority report shit where police know about a future crime even before the technology to know about future crimes exists.
That's more likely the result of the education system, social services and NHS being defunded.
Question for the American members here. Where do the Hispanics stand on this issue? To me it seems that they identify themselves with the Caucasians rather than the African Americans.
Yet we think racism is a problem in America but not in Australia. Sigh.