It looks a bit rowdy. But, to be fair, the fact we have a slave owner statue is part of the problem!
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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It means "I decide what is racist, not you"
It means that I don't feel racist because a poster on Redcafe says that people who are not demonstrating in the current BLM protests are complicit in racism. I doubt he is by the way.
I guess that is the next conversation about 'whether the good washes away the bad' in someone's life, as well as historical context in morality.
Of course he was a racist among other things and most people are aware of it, but people are still grateful for his achievements and the overall positive impact he had in avoiding a Nazi controlled future, which is why people are upset about his statue being vandalised. Especially when many people alive today knew someone who fought for the freedom of the people who are vandalising the statue.
You literally used "you blacks".
But your white fragility equates it to being the same as white folk being asked to be anti-racist.
Think if you look into a lot of statues round the country you probably find a lot of them were slaves owners at some point.
You ever heard of black privilege? I think that might be the ability to point out whites failures without this kind of response.
Jimmy Saville raised a lot of money for charities when he wasnt busy raping children.
Wasn't that in response to you using the word "you white people"?
Brilliant
Watching that statue getting pulled down and tossed in the harbour was just fecking brilliant!
And you equate the two?
Frankly if you want go down that style of debating I don't have a problem with it. If you start making sweeping statements about people on the basis of their skin colour, I don't have a problem with the person that you are targeting does something similar in a sarcastic way.
No and it wasn't a characterization of white people either which is the main issue here. While I don't like @PepsiCola tone, he talked about people in position of privilege and what they should do in order to help the rest which again isn't limited to black people.
Presumably everyone knew it was unacceptable to rape children in the 1970s?
Societal attitudes towards morality change over time. When judging someone surely you have to consider the context of their lives and the time they lived?
Not sure if you are vegan or not, but in 70 years do you think people should look back on the morality of our time when judging people who accomplish great things but don't give a shit about animal welfare? (for the avoidance of doubt, as I am sure some people may get offended, I am of course not saying that eating meat is the same as slavery, or racism - I do not see animals as being on the same level as humans, even though I am vegan myself, it is just using as an example of a potential 'next big morality paradigm shift' and it could be one of many others)
/Thread begins to eat itself. Or its young. Something.
Maybe just don't be such a tit. Sorry, post such a tit post.
This definitely seems racist.
If someone around you spoke positively about human trafficking, peodo rings, people dealing drugs round the corner from where you live, white collar/ blue collar corruption, tax evasion, racism etc would you challenge them?
I once had a discussion with a black female buddhist who wanted to create black only buddhist sangha's(groups) in the US which I felt kind went against the spirit of buddhism because she could feel all the racist "vibrations" in the meditation centers, however I can say that in the sangha I have attened with we have people of all coulors and from around the the whole world and we get a long just fine. However I was being called racist by her for feeling that all white or all black sanghas isn't going to make that issue better.
No one has said you have to attend the protests to not be racist. The guy literally said that. You’re arguing against your own strawman.
What point are you trying to make here?
And what makes you think that these posters don't already do this if that's an issue in their daily real life?
No doubt alot of the UK's wealth was built on colonisation and slavery.
I'd be up for removing them then.
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It was really a question of curisioty. Like when do become a real american or when do you become a real jew? Do you need the jewish nose to before you are a real jew?
Why does going to a march turn me anti-racist?
I won't apologise for my tone here, given the current situations. I'm TIRED of having this discussions on multiple platforms.
If you're getting upset over terms such as "white people", "white privilege" and "white fragility" and feel you can use "you blacks" (with the absolute pathetic excuse of it being sarcastic) you're a part of the issue. You have 0 understanding of systemic or institutional racism and suppression.
I'm not even black and @fergieisold jumped at the chance to let the mask slip.
If you're getting upset over terms such as "white people", "white privilege" and "white fragility" and feel you can use "you blacks" (with the absolute pathetic excuse of it being sarcastic) you're a part of the issue. You have 0 understanding of systemic or institutional racism and suppression.
I'm not even black and @fergieisold jumped at the chance to let the mask slip.
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You really want to contest how to be anti-racist?
You're really showing yourselves here.
He's gone.
I don't know. That's why I asked that exact question. I am awaiting the response.
It's an interesting term. On face value, to an outsider like me, it seems to be an oddly confrontational way to bridge gaps. I mean, here in India I abhor the bigotry that is being carried out at the expense of minority groups. But I doubt a term like that used for he majority who I believe needs to wake the feck up, would work. But if it does work, and does good, then it's the way to go. I just don't know if it helps or harms. The sensible white folk will 'get' it. But will the rest?
Please do us a favour and stop posting.
If you honestly don't see the difference between what Pepsicola said and your response and think they are equally racist then you really don't get it.
Don't think he'll be able to reply now that he's banned.
So we should dismiss his racist views just because of the times he lived in?
His refusal to send aid, against the wishes of the MPs at the time, led to millions of deaths in the Bengal famine.
He was a white supremacist, if we look at his own words.
Or do brown lives hold less value than white Europeans?
I spoke to a friend who attended that protest today in Berlin. While I am vocal in my opposing stance towards the protests in such a manner in Germany right now I do hope that something constructive and lasting comes from them.
What I learned in that conversation was not reassuring, though.
When I asked what concrete demands (adjustment of laws, harder punishment for disregarding existing laws concering discrimination, better funding of programms and initiatives by the state, changes in education plans, etc.) were commonly made, she said that it did not really became that concrete. It was a largely silent show of support (the organizers actually dubbed these protests as "silent demos") against racism in the US and in Germany.
Then I asked if the photos and videos of the protests were misleading as I saw that nearly all signs were in English. That question really took her by surprise and she replied: "Of course they were in English, silly. You don´t believe that the idiot Trump speaks German, right? The demo was to show that Berlin, Germany and the world stands with the protesters in the US and against racism."
What a nice sentiment that is. A sentiment that nobody in the relevant positions in the US will care about. I can name at least a dozen of instances off the top of my head of people marching on German streets against American actions (the most vividly for me were the huge protests in the wake of the second Iraq war) and for the US it was just an annoying buzzing sound.
I do believe that people attended the protests try to use the current momentum of awareness for racism to incite meaningful change in Germany, but it gets drowned out by the outrage over the murder of George Floyd and the civil war like happenings in the US.
My biggest fear in this regard is actually that these protests might backfire terribly for their cause.
If infection numbers would spike in two weeks and in the worst case scenario even go past the very clear communicated treshold by the government which will result in a second lockdown of the country, people will blame the protests for that which could actually setback the movement as it would connect it to death and economical damage.
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Even Nelson had a dodgy side.
Might be wrong but have you tagged the wrong guy by accident?
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Same. Even in a country like Jamaica with its violence, the vast majority of people have never held a gun and only seen them being held by the police.
I know they have similar names and it's confusing as they were both replying at one point but it was fergiesold who made the objectional remark.
Only if you return the favour.