I don’t know what you’re trying to say here man. Or to what end. I’d start with saying that maybe using the nose of a Jewish person as an identifier isn’t the best way to phrase your question. If you want to say you’re Chinese then you can say you’re Chinese , identity is a complex thing and it’s mainly up to the individual. My friend was born in Wales to an Australian man with Polish parents, he considers himself Australian (and now lives there). His brother considers himself Welsh.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are joined by special guest Anders (@Lyng) to celebrate the news that ETH is staying put! They also talk about the Euros so far, with special attention on England, Scotland and Denmark. They then finish with some transfer talk and the potential comings and outgoings at Old Trafford.
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Well when I’m guilty of indulging in anti-Semitic stereotypes, you’re welcome to ask the same of me. Until you feel able to post without exposing yourself as an ignorant idiot, it’s in everyone’s interest for you to kindly log off.
You presenting this as a serious question but throwing in a stereotype/trope unnecessarily completely undermines whatever the hell you were trying to achieve.
He's correct. If your fellow citizens are being discriminated against you should stand and speak up for them. If any minority section of a country is being targeted, them getting justice tends to depend on how the majority reacts.
Yes. 100%. And I say this as someone who eats meat.
why do you assume I would think that? Its a really prickish thing to insinuate.
Churchill also allowed the bombing of Coventry because he considered it to be the greater good and they were mostly white European victims of his cold calculations, as far as I am aware. I don't know enough about the Bengal famine to understand his reasoning, if there was one.
I said that it will be the next big conversation, because he was a terrible person who made the world a better place including for non-Europeans, in spite of his bigoted views. The Reich wouldn't have stopped with Europe.
I'm going to stop posting, as this is getting a bit off the point of the thread.
I mean you could have done one second of research to realise that the poster didn’t write ‘you white people’.
Even Mother Theresea was rotten!
*according to Christopher Hitchens.
*according to Christopher Hitchens.
This thread is The Cnutlympics.
His reasoning was that he didn't want to risk supplies running out on the home front.
Pretty sure they're not meant to be shot at people's heads so regardless, no. They're deliberately aiming at head height.
He made a strong case.
Police seemed relaxed with the pulling down of the statue.
He always did, even when wrong
No clue
If you dig deep enough, we are all assholes. The key is to be socially acceptable ones.
There's a lot of moral pontificating and virtue-signalling going on here in this thread. Unless people on here are saying that they have never said or done anything or by acts of omission become complicit in any racist or discriminatory behaviour?
She really was rotten, though. Probably meant well, but the result was definitely a net negative.
Growing up I’ve definitely been guilty of not confronting racist talk. I’ve held views that at best were uninformed and at worst were racist. What are you trying to say with your post?
what about covid, all this rioting, what is even the end goal with these protests etc etc the list is endless.
I suppose that it's true for all of us, the difference is that some us learn and try to challenge their ideas or the ideas that exist in their social circles. I would suspect that most men have had misogynistic ideas at some point, it's the most common thing that I can think about and yet most of us now know that not only it's wrong but it's incredibly stupid, I couldn't explain or justify them.
Protests heading up the M6 now
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Exactly my concerns too.
Feck me!
Trump will resign now!
I'm just saying that I'm finding this trial by social media a bit jarring with posters on here getting jumped on because of things they have said. Yeah it's right to call them out but people are talking and assuming this air of righteousness as if they're above reproach which I would hazard a guess that they are not as you have honestly alluded to.
Rather than get on their soapboxes and trying to look like parogons of virtue on an internet forum, I think people would do well to just focus on their own shit first. If we're going to see real change, we need to start challenging our own racist aunts, uncles, grannies and grandads, our mates and colleagues that we have just laughed off before when they have said things that are inappropriate, look at our own values and ask those difficult questions of ourselves.
That's what I was trying to say...
This is late but yes she did. She posted that she was arrested.
Yeah that. And also stockpiling for future European consumption, for countries that had yet to be liberated. Whilst ships full of Australian wheat sailed past British Indian harbours. Abandoning 3 million lives that were lost on the lands considered the jewel in the crown of the British Empire.
even in a pre-covid world, I’m not going on a march to protest, as that’s my right, and it’s not how I convey my views. Furthermore, would I challenge every single incident? no of course not, and nor would anyone, you have to choose your battles. You can imagine for yourself an infinite no. of scenarios where you would not make a challenge.
the point is this - to proclaim that if you don’t challenge every abhorrent view/ comment/ perspective makes you complicit is utterly absurd.
do you think that makes me a racist? A tax evasion sympathiser etc? Because that’s the implication I’m getting from you and @PepsiCola?
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This isn't as difficult as you're making it out to be.
Being silent is being complicit.
It isn't enough to not be racist, you must be actively anti-racist. Challenge views around you, open in discussion and dialogue and ensure future generations see minorities as equals.
Not once did I say you have to go and protest actively.
I’m fully aware that Churchill made the decision based on him valuing the lives of the British and European‘s higher than that of the Indians. That he was a chauvinist and racist. I have no issue with Indian people viewing him on par with the Hitlers and Stalins of history. He’ll be a hero to many in the UK regardless of that though.
Definitely, when I was in school I thought making rape jokes to girls was the cutting edge of comedy. One girl called me out, in a manner far more gracious than I deserved, and I had a hissy fit and stormed off. After I thought about what she’d said, I realised that she had been completely right in what she told me, and that I was just being sulky because she had called me out, and that deep down I knew that.
I agree that at times the social media pile on can be counter productive. I’ve been guilty in the past of escalating things because I’ve been misconstrued ignorance for hate (I’m not telling others how they should deal with situations, just a personal introspection of myself as often I’ll talk to people on a forum in a way I wouldn’t irl).
Do you feel that Churchill's flaws should be taught as part of the curriculum here?
Whitewashing of history and British colonialism contributes to social issues we see today
It doesn’t bother me on a personal level but I‘m sceptical that such policies are saleable to the wider electorate.
That is disgusting. I can only imagine how frustrating it is for British Indians for him to be hero worshipped.
It sounds like his views were extreme, even at the time, so perhaps the British public should have a negative opinion of him, in spite of the victory over the Nazis.
In response to your post above, the history of the British Empire should be taught in schools, warts and all. Not in a way to foster self-hatred, but an age appropriate critical analysis of history.
Agree wholeheartedly.
The trade off is would you or any of the people who have the freedom to talk about it existed if he wasn't in charge to help lead the victory.