Rooney's a better finisher than him. How the hell did he manage to score over 50 goals in France? Talks too much off the pitch too
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Agree with this. I have two main issues with him/the team with him in it.
1. He is not mobile enough. He is not stretching defences at all. Yes he's strong etc but we need someone running the channels and pulling defenders out of position.
2. When he drops deep no-one is moving in forward of him.
I think to get the best of him we need to play him with a second striker, or two wide forwards in a 433 and remove some of the defensive responsibility they have in the 4231. A single striker usually needs to be a hell of an athlete in addition to holding the ball up well etc and Zlatan is just not that guy.
Well, whether you think if he is good or good enough for us does not matter. If anything so far this season, it shows we need to get another striker at his peak for United unless jose can get the best out of the 2 young strikers we have.
But, not sure how you will be able to do it when a 35 years old is playing almost every game full 90 mins. It is just a bit strange with the whole situation.
But, not sure how you will be able to do it when a 35 years old is playing almost every game full 90 mins. It is just a bit strange with the whole situation.
I don't think his age was mentioned when he was scoring consistently at the start of the season. His poor scoring form has nothing to do with age as he gets chances and creates them. If he was struggling physically or he couldn't find himself in those right situations then yeah his age could be an explanation. He is just in a shit form, it is that simple.
Why has he suddenly become so uncertain, so hesitant in front of the goal? That is costing us matches. Is he thinking way too much?
Chicharito is the exact opposite of Zlatan and everyone here wanted him sold cause of his lack of "build up play" or whatever rubbish it was. Well, now you got arguably the best number 9 in the world and you claim hes not like Chicharito.... "Doesn't score enough, doesn't stretch defences, isn't pacey"
Have to laugh at that now. We can barely score a goal these days. Chicha scored nearly every game for us.
I love Zlatan by the way but I can't believe we sold Hernandez for 7 fecking million. Bayer would probably get a good 30m plus for him now.
Have to laugh at that now. We can barely score a goal these days. Chicha scored nearly every game for us.
I love Zlatan by the way but I can't believe we sold Hernandez for 7 fecking million. Bayer would probably get a good 30m plus for him now.
Because that's how he's played his entire career? You don't buy Zlatan if you want someone stuck on the box looking for tap ins.
So now we slate our only scorer in the game too?
He has got somethingoke 3 goals and 2 assists in his last 3 games, while we have been lacking goals for a while. He should be the last to be criticised recently.
Mate he's missed incredible amount of sitters and he's the forward with by far the most shots on the opposition goal.
The fact that's so annoying about him for most of people is that Mourinho has made him untouchable.
He was poor yesterday. He was the reason why we didn't won against Stoke and Burnley because of all his misses, and yesterday he was poor. Played slowly and had one good chances at the end of the first half and missed it.
He's paid and came like a superstar but can't score when we need him.
In France and Italy, we used to say that he's strong against the weak, and weak against the strong.
He's paid and came like a superstar but can't score when we need him.
In France and Italy, we used to say that he's strong against the weak, and weak against the strong.
Great context.
The problem is that none of the other strikers are really pushing him for his place right now. Rashford has been average, Martial has yet to get going this season, and while Rooney has been decent of late, reinstating him to the starting XI isn't what most people want.
Should have scored that one in the second half when he knocked it past the keeper... his touch is just so heavy at times, it's a bit frustrating.
Mate we can have Costa, Aguero and Suarez yet still Mourinho would never drop Zlatan. It's just how it is. If he can experiment with Herrera on DMF, Darmian on LB, Lingard on RB than surely he can try with Martial and Rashford on number 9, after all its their position.
We're not only talking about that game. I've said previously that the Burnley game was the only one you could arguably blame him for since that chance would have won us the game.
What I'm saying is that it's preposterous to say that he alone has cost us 6 points (or even more according to some).
The fact he is getting all these chances has to be a good thing, I would be more worried if he didn't get any.
Saying that though his conversion rate needs to really improve, I thought when he went round Randolph he was easily going to score but then had a massively heavy touch.
It just feels like our whole team is 1 click away from being fantastic, I think that's why it's so frustrating.
Saying that though his conversion rate needs to really improve, I thought when he went round Randolph he was easily going to score but then had a massively heavy touch.
It just feels like our whole team is 1 click away from being fantastic, I think that's why it's so frustrating.
Im saying exactly that. Also, arguably? It was the chance of the game and any world class striker worth their salt should be putting those away 9/10 times. He also missed sitters against Stoke in a 1v1 situation (1-1) and Liverpool in the late stages of the game with a free header 5 yards out (0-0). He missed a glorious chance against Leicester when he tried a spectacular volley when simplicity could've worked but at least we won that game.
Had nothing to do with our draw yesterday, problem is simple the wingers (Rashford and Lingard) are shocking and don't provide anything at all. If Rooney and mikihitaryan had started we would have won comfortably as I expect us to do Wednesday.
Then why do we tell Rooney to stop fiddling around in the middle of the park. I couldn't give a Frick about how he played before - he doesn't need to do everything himself.
For people who are happy he is scoring goals - which he is, we expect more from him. A brace once in a while would really help a lot considering the chances he does get.
You don't give a feck but our manager does and sensibly so because it'd be quite mental to buy Zlatan and pay him the wages we do to ask him to do something he's never done in his career. If we wanted a Hernandez, we should have bought one.
There's nothing wrong with expecting more from him, even Zlatan would agree he's not scored enough considering the chances he's got. Expecting him to suddenly become a poacher who plays off the last man and doesn't drop deep is only going to end in disappointment though. It'd be an epic waste of resources too so let's hope Mourinho doesn't do that.
Sadly that's something we're famous for in the last couple of years. BFS is on 200k per week and watched every UTD game from home, bar the yesterday's one. What's worse we're in dire need for someone to rotate with Carrick.
Mourinho bought Ibra, he didn't buy BFS. Just because LVG bought BFS on a massive contract doesn't mean Mourinho's obliged to play him if he doesn't think he fits his plans. If anything, It'd be worse if we played players simply because we pay them massive bucks.
Don't get me wrong, I believe BFS should be reintroduced as a squad player but Mourinho shouldn't be forced to use players just because LVG bought them on massive wages.
True that Mourinho didn't bought him but than again he did buy Mickey Taryan for 40 million and gave him 170k in wages only to keep him frozen all up until last week's game against Feyenoord.
I have split opinion about BFS, on one side we need a player of his experience and abilities, but his unprofessional approach under the protection of LVG is revolting.
Yet he also creates shit loads of chances for others. Yes he has missed some chances, but there is no denying him in the team is better than him out of it, when it comes to our play.
My point wasn't that Mourinho is some sort of a God when it comes to handling the players. Simply that he's not responsible for catering to players he didn't buy just because the previous manager deemed them worthy of x wage. Be it 10k or 100k. It's his team now.
He's got 7 in 12 PL games, at this pace he'll score 20+ goals which is good output for any striker. People got too carried away with his stats in Ligue 1, it was always a long shot to think he was going to replicate those numbers or come even close given it's a new league, new team and a new manager.
Our major problem is lack of goal threat outside him, we don't even try to play through the middle. Ball inevitably goes out wide, player will aim for Ibra at far post. Ball gets cleared by the defender, rinse and repeat.
Our goal scoring column shows some horrid stats, after Ibra our next top 2 goal scorers are Mata and Rashford with 3 each, Pogba with 2 and 1 from Rooney, Martial and Smalling each. That is total of 18 goals in 14 PL games, compare that number with Chelsea who have Costa on 10 PL goals, but further 17 goals from their midfielders. Similar numbers at City with Aguero on 10 goals and midfield has further 15 goals. Same applies for Arsenal and Liverpool too.
There are bigger problems in our side than Ibra's conversion rate which albeit is low for a striker of his quality but ultimately other needs to step up. Martial and Lingard who have got majority of the minutes out wide have contributed to solitary 1 goal in PL coming from Martial vs Stoke. Rashford who has been playing regularly since scoring the winner at Hull has 2 in 10. Likes of Herrera, Lingard, Young, Mkhi, Fellaini, Depay are yet to open their account while few have played very little minutes they haven't been able to make any sort of impression. Our attacking play in final third is extremely predictable and poor, it relies on Ibra being a header merchant which has always been his weakest point despite his height. Until we try different things than just put it out wide and cross our struggles in front of goal will continue.
Our major problem is lack of goal threat outside him, we don't even try to play through the middle. Ball inevitably goes out wide, player will aim for Ibra at far post. Ball gets cleared by the defender, rinse and repeat.
Our goal scoring column shows some horrid stats, after Ibra our next top 2 goal scorers are Mata and Rashford with 3 each, Pogba with 2 and 1 from Rooney, Martial and Smalling each. That is total of 18 goals in 14 PL games, compare that number with Chelsea who have Costa on 10 PL goals, but further 17 goals from their midfielders. Similar numbers at City with Aguero on 10 goals and midfield has further 15 goals. Same applies for Arsenal and Liverpool too.
There are bigger problems in our side than Ibra's conversion rate which albeit is low for a striker of his quality but ultimately other needs to step up. Martial and Lingard who have got majority of the minutes out wide have contributed to solitary 1 goal in PL coming from Martial vs Stoke. Rashford who has been playing regularly since scoring the winner at Hull has 2 in 10. Likes of Herrera, Lingard, Young, Mkhi, Fellaini, Depay are yet to open their account while few have played very little minutes they haven't been able to make any sort of impression. Our attacking play in final third is extremely predictable and poor, it relies on Ibra being a header merchant which has always been his weakest point despite his height. Until we try different things than just put it out wide and cross our struggles in front of goal will continue.
Pretty much this, not sure why everyone is jumping all over Ibra, hes missed some chances yes but look at those numbers from the rest, its horrid.
He created the golden chance for Rashford and scored, can you ask for more? I think yes actually, he had two golden opportunities and should have scored in both, taking ages to shoot, Ogbonna block and chipping the keeper, both comfortable scoring chances and I think he had a couple more. If we want a palyer who finishes one out of three we can as well get back Welbeck as a no9.. whatever, it was not only his fault yesterday, he contributed even though I still think he could do more, a palyer of his format
So you just completely ignore everything else that happened in those games and say that the result was decided only by what one player did or didn't do in one situation?
I guess it's your right to do that but all that does is show that you have no knowledge of how the game of football actually works..
The miss against Stoke was in the 2nd minute of the game. Saying that a missed chance with 88min left to play cost us the win is laughable.
Scoring a goal doesn't automatically win you the game (unless it's like in the Burnley game and there's no time left).
They've got pace though so they are well suited for the ultra fast PL, which is all that matters.
With all due respect feck out of here with that elitist football knowledge BS. A missed sitter is a missed sitter. Those chances should've been buried by a player of his caliber and the criticism is just.
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The critizism that he should have scored is more than just. Too bad though that we're not talking about that. Did you even read my comment?
The point was he didn't in isolation cost the game. Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
The number of sitters he's missed this season has been incredible. Could and should have had double the number of goals he has.
He was better than he usually is yesterday but his awful finishing has cost us a lot already this season.
I agree apart from your assessment of our attacking play in general, we had clear and varied chances yesterday, It certainly wasn't a lack of creativity that stopped us scoring.
There's no way Ogbonna should have got a block on that shot he made...
He took more time to get that shot away than it takes me to have a wank.
He is indeed on his way.
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