[Man-United]

So you want a 35 year old striker above a 20 year old who has shown what he can do when he lead the team last season? Can you blame Rashford when he gets benched every other game while Zlatan plays even if he was bad the last game? Where's the fairness in that?

Zlatan had not been playing for 18 days before Feyenoord and created much in that game, you wanted him benched today? He proved today that it was the correct decision to start him as he was very good.
Martial has not showed anything this season. He had his chances and has been poor. Probably played too much last year though.

 

[Fracture90]

He was at fault for the their goal yes but he more then made up for it by scoring and creating chances for others, he could have had 2-3 assists easily. But the other things you've mentioned are to ridiculous to even answer.

If you want to go there then I could also mention you beeing from Serbia. Serbs don't really like Bosnians nor Croats do they? Frankly, I don't care where he is from, I am just stating my objective views.

Or maybe you're just brainwashed by western propaganda because not everyone is judging people by their skin colour, ethnicity or religion.

 

[Fracture90]

Or your understanding of football maybe? You know your opionion might not be the correct one and no need to accuse others of having a bias. I think you are perfect yourself with your agenda.

I stated my facts above, show me yours.

 

[Irrational.]

I'm still not sold on Ibra.

He manages to disguise poor performances with an assist here or a goal there; but in general he isn't good enough.

 

[kouroux]

A BOLO has been put out for his powerful shot.

 

[Devil may care]

That's the exact word - it's not pace - it's dynamism. He can do all this acrobatic sh*t all over the box but the pressure it outs on the defense is minimal.

It's hard to maintain attacking pressure as he can't press so teams can regroup and play the ball out, the dynamism aspect really hits home with how long he wants to do anything, you just don't get that time in the PL.

 

[DarkXaero]

People scapegoating Zlatan for today's result clearly have an agenda against him. He was one of our best players today and far from the issue. Not saying that Zlatan didn't make some mistakes and could have been done better with aerial duels but he was our best attacking player today.

 

[Fracture90]

You didn't state any facts at all. You choose all the bad things Zlatan did. I suggest you look at highlights from his game against West Ham instead of acting like a arrogant prick here towards us.

If you don't see those as facts than I'm sorry to break it to you again, but your understanding of football game isn't as high as you value it to be.

He failed to mark his man twice. First time we conceded, 2nd time same player almost scored again because Zlatan was waving his legs instead going hard for the ball. He scored, nice run for a beautiful pass from Pogba.

Missed another sitter with taking too long to shot. Missed another sitter with his bad first touch from that gift by Collins. Poor touch to Mickey Taryan on the edge of 5 meter box after that ball from Rooney. Again he was dropping deep completely unnecessary.

Never before have i seen a striker that's 195 cm that's loosing aerial duels so easily and that looks so uncomfortable in the air.

The thing that brothers me the most is that he's untouchable, can't be dropped, can't be subbed. I've said it before he joined us and I'll say it again.

Respect for what he did in his career, i was a fan of him when he was at Inter (was great on PES with Adriano) but he is too old and too slow for a high tempo league like PL.

EDIT: His body flick enabled Rashford to get in that chance. So that and the goal he scored was all the good he did today in the sea of bad things.

 

[Man-United]

People scapegoating Zlatan for today's result clearly have an agenda against him. He was one of our best players today and far from the issue. Not saying that Zlatan didn't make some mistakes and could have been done better with aerial duels but he was our best attacking player today.

Exactly. It's pathetic that some people are having a go at him. They just want players to blame. If Mkhi had scored the 2-1 goal it would be quiet from them here as there would be noone to blame and Zlatan would have got the praise he deserved.

 

[AXVnee7]

He did score a really tidy goal today, but he was also at fault for their goal. He also takes far too long to execute his shot towards the end of the first half.

I dunno, it's not that he hasn't been good enough of late. It's that he could and should be doing better. He loses far too many aerial duels, or just flicks the ball in an aimless direction. I'm not a fan of this sticking your long leg up in the air when in the box (both ours and theirs). My biggest issue is that he is still very wasteful when you consider the opportunities he does get.

 

[Irrational.]

If you actually think he was poor today, then yeah, I doubt you will ever be sold on him.

My comments are based on his last few appearances for us and the first half today.

I missed the second half, so I will have to take your word for it that he had a good game in the end.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

Not just today, our problem is that a slightly over the hill 36 year old has been our biggest goal threat and best attacking player this whole season.

 

[montpelier]

I reckon he takes away more than he brings.

You'll get a couple of cute passes when he drops deep, a couple of nice lay-offs that don't hurt anybody. He misses a lot & isn't a constant menace in the air despite looking like he should be. For me, he has zero connection with the other forwards, whose form has gone off a cliff. Every other game he scores but hardly anybody else does vs. the best opposition, anyway. Devoid of pace to hurt anyone, doesn't help to close anything down, wants the team to plate it up for him, stands around too much.

I have an agenda, I think he's a complete & utter cock-knocker we should have gotten someone else in.

Giroud is better than this.

 

[Janson]

Or maybe you're just brainwashed by western propaganda because not everyone is judging people by their skin colour, ethnicity or religion.

You mean the same way you think I'm biased towards Zlatan because I am from Sweden? You are the one that mentioned nationality first. Are you brainwashed to think all Swedes adore Zlatan? Because they don't, neither do all Serbs dislike Bosnians.

So next time don't use nationality as an argument to support your claims.

 

[Bojan11]

Not just today, our problem is that a slightly over the hill 36 year old has been our biggest goal threat and best attacking player this whole season.

Yep and the other problem is that his replacement is a 19 year old.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

Hasn't been nearly clinical enough this season, and also evident today, can get lazy defensively.

I'm not entirely impressed by him yet, as I know he's capable of much more.

 

[Fracture90]

You mean the same way you think I'm biased towards Zlatan because I am from Sweden? You are the one that mentioned nationality first. Are you brainwashed to think all Swedes adore Zlatan? Because they don't, neither do all Serbs dislike Bosnians.

So next time don't use nationality as an argument to support your claims.

I'm yet to see a Swede that isn't loving Zlatan to death. Ffs he's got a divine status in Sweden and he's getting a statue! When someone's defending Zlatan after today's performance and saying he was one of our best performers, than something's wrong with that picture.

FYI i rate Modric amongst the best players in the world and also Dzeko who played for City is a great number 9 imo.

 

[Janson]

I'm yet to see a Swede that isn't loving Zlatan to death. Ffs he's got a divine status in Sweden and he's getting a statue! When someone's defending Zlatan after today's performance and saying he was one of our best performers, than something's wrong with that picture.

FYI i rate Modric amongst the best players in the world and also Dzeko who played for City is a great number 9 imo.

Well it's not only Swedes that are defending him in here. There are plenty of us that have always complained about him over his performances for the NT. This view used to be pretty widespread amongst Swedes.

I don't know all Serbs and you don't know all Swedes so you can't just asume things and generalize like that.

I don't doubt you rate those players, I was only trying to make a point comparing your statement to what someone else might asume of you.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

someone should tell him that you dont defend crosses with high kicks....

 

[Janson]

someone should tell him that you dont defend crosses with high kicks....

I haven't seen him defend crosses like that in the past but he has always had a tendency to try take down high balls with his feet in the oppositions box instead of heading on goal. That's because heading is his biggest weakness. He has even admitted that himself in an interview I saw somewhere.

Sometimes I'm baffled by how many people were expecting that to be one of his strengths and are always surprised when he misses headers. Like the ones against Liverpool and Chelsea. For someone who has watched him for a long time I'm surprised when he does score from a header.

But obviously people think because he's tall he should be better at it.

 

[fellaini's barber]

I've said it before,I'll say it again, we are going nowhere with Zlatan leading the line for us. Its the Rooney situation all over again, complete with his critics 'having an agenda'

 

[devilish]

He's too old to lead United front line

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I'm still not sold on Ibra.

He manages to disguise poor performances with an assist here or a goal there; but in general he isn't good enough.

This kind of logic dumfounds me. How a centre forward can 'hide' poor performances with goals and assists is bizarre.

If I'd been offered 7 goals in his first 12 games I'd have been happy. He could have had a couple more but he's pretty much met expectations for me.

 

[Janson]

Ibrahimovc is to blame for a lot of missed chances, I think everyone agrees on this but the problem is compounded by others beeing as wasteful as him. His record so far looks like most expected from him, he is on course for twenty league goals this season. And like expected also providing chances for others.

Like people pointed out earlier, he isn't that clinical but when you take into account his vision and playmaking abilities, that's what makes him the player he is. That's why Mourinho never subs him. Because he can provide that moment of brilliance at any time.

 

[TheSweeper]

The thing is - Zlatan's support play is simply not needed. Why doesn't he just stay up top & focus on scoring tap ins etc? He is like Rooney who tries to do everything himself. I'd gladly have him resemble a RVN than trying to be the next cantona.

 

[DanClancy]

He's scored 7 out of our 18 league goals and he's done well in general play. He's not the problem, all the top teams in the top 4 have scored at least 10 goals more than us. Zlatan should have scored more goals but he's contributing. Rooney, Lingard & Martial have 2 league goals between them, they've been involved in 25 league games between them so that return is pathetic. Before a ball was kicked this season i expected Rashford & Martial to score at least 25 league goals between them and so far we're a third of the way through the season and they've scored 4 goals.

 

[sunama]

I think he is on 7 goals now, after 13 games. So,he is on track to break 20 goals, which is what we were looking for in a striker.
If his form improves, I think he'll make 25+.

To put this in context, last sesaon, our top scorer was Martial @ 11 goals.

 

[Lawman]

Ibrahimovc is to blame for a lot of missed chances, I think everyone agrees on this but the problem is compounded by others beeing as wasteful as him. His record so far looks like most expected from him, he is on course for twenty league goals this season. And like expected also providing chances for others.

Like people pointed out earlier, he isn't that clinical but when you take into account his vision and playmaking abilities, that's what makes him the player he is. That's why Mourinho never subs him. Because he can provide that moment of brilliance at any time.

Spot on!

 

[Dir Wangem]

The thing is - Zlatan's support play is simply not needed. Why doesn't he just stay up top & focus on scoring tap ins etc?

People need to understand that it's not a matter of "either this or that". It's perfectly possible to play a part in the build-up while also being in the box at the end of most attacks. Zlatan dropping deeper would only be a problem if:

A) He's standing in the way of better players or breaking down the rythm of our attacks
or
B) He's not inside the box often enough when we attack.

Neither A nor B is correct. Zlatan is usually inside the box, and the times few he's not, he's usually playing an important part in having the ball end up there. Not once have I felt that Zlatan should have been a place he weren't.

 

[PepsiCola]

He is far from the problem in the current side.

Could have had a handful of assists had Lingard/ Rashford taken their chances.

 

[Leftback99]

He's had the most shots of any player in the league but has only scored 7.

The likes of Aguero, Costa and Sanchez are needing around half as many chances per goal.

Hes still our best option but there's no getting away from the fact that his wasteful finishing is costing us.

 

[NinjaZombie]

That chance he had that was blocked by a defender was infuriating. Took far too long.

 

[Oldham]

Played well

 

[Jed I. Knight]

I haven't seen him defend crosses like that in the past but he has always had a tendency to try take down high balls with his feet in the oppositions box instead of heading on goal. That's because heading is his biggest weakness. He has even admitted that himself in an interview I saw somewhere.

Sometimes I'm baffled by how many people were expecting that to be one of his strengths and are always surprised when he misses headers. Like the ones against Liverpool and Chelsea. For someone who has watched him for a long time I'm surprised when he does score from a header.

But obviously people think because he's tall he should be better at it.

What's more baffling is that it seems clear that we base our tactics around his ability in the air. The number of times we float a cross towards him at the far post is far too high for it to be anything other than a tactical instruction. Not to mention the fact that he always takes up a position at the far post.

So many of our attacks break down that way, and it's hard not to get annoyed by it when he's unable to make much of those crosses. As someone mentioned, we'd be better off with Giroud as long as we keep basing our tactical dispositions on Zlatan's ability to win aerial duels. Hopefully someone sends Jose the memo.

 

[stevoc]

I thought he played well today as he did on thursday, but i still don't think he suits our set-up. Or we aren't playing in a way that gets the best out of him. Either way it's a problem because he plays every fecking game for some reason.

Also despite a good goal return and good performances at times. He's not the beast some people were wanking themselves silly over in the summer. Some rated him as the best or one of the best strikers in the world, in his prime and predicting he would be the best player in the league, win us the league, score 35+ goals etc.

He's nowhere near that level going off what he's shown us so far. He's still a good player despite his age no doubt, but thats about it.

 

[Loublaze]

He is far from the problem in the current side.

Could have had a handful of assists had Lingard/ Rashford taken their chances.

You're on an agenda. Ibrahimovic is the biggest culprit by far when it comes to missed chances. He should have 5-6 extra goals by now, and most of them supplied by Pogba

 

[DJRED97]

Zlatan really didn't miss any sitters today, people just expect too much. How he is apparently at fault for a defending blocking his shot is beyond me. His dummy to send Rashford through was world class. He is still top 10 strikers in the world. Only Costa, Aguero, Suarez and Lewandowski are ones who you would say are definitely better than him. Then you move on to players like Griezmann, Benzema who you can make a strong case for.

He has missed a few chances he should score in past weeks, but today he was great.

 

[PepsiCola]

You're on an agenda. Ibrahimovic is the biggest culprit by far when it comes to missed chances. He should have 5-6 extra goals by now, and most of them supplied by Pogba

My arse am I on an agenda. Ibra, Rooney and Mata look to be our only forwards capable of finishing chances off. All three should be starting for us imho.

Yes he messed up for the goal. But he pulled us level and set up many chances today. I hear a lot of complaints about him coming deep, but he shows a lot of quality when doing so and we look more dangerous for it. Lingard and Rashford were both poor infront of goal today. Martial would have buried the one on one.

As many have said, the pieces are falling into place. I concede top 4 is nearly all but gone at this point. But his scoring record so far is what everyone expected of him.

Yes he's missed sitters earlier on. But going off of his last three games, Swansea (two goals), Feyenoord (2 Assists) and last night (a goal) he really isn't a problem. Involved in more than a goal a game.

Yes he's missed sitters. So have all other forwards in our team.

 

[Loublaze]

My arse am I on an agenda. Ibra, Rooney and Mata look to be our only forwards capable of finishing chances off. All three should be starting for us imho.

Yes he messed up for the goal. But he pulled us level and set up many chances today. I hear a lot of complaints about him coming deep, but he shows a lot of quality when doing so and we look more dangerous for it. Lingard and Rashford were both poor infront of goal today. Martial would have buried the one on one.

As many have said, the pieces are falling into place. I concede top 4 is nearly all but gone at this point. But his scoring record so far is what everyone expected of him.

Yes he's missed sitters earlier on. But going off of his last three games, Swansea (two goals), Feyenoord (2 Assists) and last night (a goal) he really isn't a problem. Involved in more than a goal a game.

Yes he's missed sitters. So have all other forwards in our team.

He has missed way too many for a top striker on his wages. You can't paint this turd. Against Stoke Pogba put a ball right on a plate for him and he failed to connect from 5 yards out in the last minute of stoppage time. I don't hate Ibrahimovic, but he's missed some really good chances this season, the type of chances Andy Cole used to be totally slated for when it was said he needed 9 chances to get a goal. Lingard has scored from more difficult situations

 

[AN17]

Perfect fit for our club. Good but not good enough.