We have plenty of strikers, but not really any actual wingers. Di Maria isn't as productive out wide, and that leaves Januzaj. Valencia/Young aren't good enough.
Xherdan Shaqiri
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We have plenty of strikers, but not really any actual wingers. Di Maria isn't as productive out wide, and that leaves Januzaj. Valencia/Young aren't good enough.
Would definitely take him for the €20m he's apparently available for.
Would deffo take him if he's available. Quick, good vision, strong, scores, assists.
Would improve our team and allow us to use Herrera as a No10 in the diamond where i think he could be great for us. Or offer us another winger to compliment Di Maria on the other flank. Would be well worth 18mil if that figure is correct.
Couple of scenarios:
Would improve our team and allow us to use Herrera as a No10 in the diamond where i think he could be great for us. Or offer us another winger to compliment Di Maria on the other flank. Would be well worth 18mil if that figure is correct.
Couple of scenarios:
He really has to leave and he knows it. There's still a lot of potential in him, but unless he finally gets to start regularly in his best position (right wing), we'll never know if he can be a great player or not and with Ribery, Robben, Müller and Götze all clearly ahead of him in the pecking order, there's no way he gets that chance at Bayern the next 2 or 3 years.
A deal in January would make a lot of sense for all parties involved, if United wants to add a winger in January. Shaqiri already won everything as a squad player at Bayern and won't care if he misses out on another title when he gets to start regularly at United instead. The top players aren't available in January and he's a great choice if United look for someone, who can help the team instantly, still has the potential to improve and wouldn't be a bad back-up in case someone even better becomes available in the summer. And Bayern probably would get a lot more money for him now than they will in the summer with only one year left on his contract. Unless our midfield injury crisis spreads to our attacking players in the next months, I expect the club to let him go. We really don't need him.
The big question is what van Gaal's plans are for the team. I can't see Shaqiri start in a diamond unless he plays a 2nd striker role similar to Robben at the world cup. If van Gaal doesn't move away from playing with two strikers upfront, it might be difficult to convince Shaqiri that his situation at United is any different than at Bayern.
A deal in January would make a lot of sense for all parties involved, if United wants to add a winger in January. Shaqiri already won everything as a squad player at Bayern and won't care if he misses out on another title when he gets to start regularly at United instead. The top players aren't available in January and he's a great choice if United look for someone, who can help the team instantly, still has the potential to improve and wouldn't be a bad back-up in case someone even better becomes available in the summer. And Bayern probably would get a lot more money for him now than they will in the summer with only one year left on his contract. Unless our midfield injury crisis spreads to our attacking players in the next months, I expect the club to let him go. We really don't need him.
The big question is what van Gaal's plans are for the team. I can't see Shaqiri start in a diamond unless he plays a 2nd striker role similar to Robben at the world cup. If van Gaal doesn't move away from playing with two strikers upfront, it might be difficult to convince Shaqiri that his situation at United is any different than at Bayern.
Out and out winger, whoever had him and Di Maria in a centre mid partnership is deluded if he thinks they'd cope with a Premiership game.
Not good enough for Bayern, not good enough for Man Utd.
There shouldn't be any question whether you should go for him.
If you do that it will be the equivalent of Chelsea signing Salah. It won't have any positive impact.
We're very far away from competing with Bayern though. Struggling to replace Ribery or Robben in their lineup is no shame on Shaqiri. Almost any player in Bayern's squad would improve our first xi.
As if Willian or Schürrle would get more playing time at Bayern than Shaqiri did.
We need depth on the wing, and he can do the work.
No, he would improve your bench, as he is better than Young, but that's about it.
Shaqiri hasn't lived up to the hype. Besides, he doesn't strike me as a player who has the right attitude. I guess he thinks that he is good enough.
You got half a dozen players like that who were very promising at some time yet haven't reached their potential.
As of now he is simply not effective and not clever enough to boost your squad.
Adding him to the squad would be another big gamble.
Shaqiri hasn't lived up to the hype. Besides, he doesn't strike me as a player who has the right attitude. I guess he thinks that he is good enough.
You got half a dozen players like that who were very promising at some time yet haven't reached their potential.
As of now he is simply not effective and not clever enough to boost your squad.
Adding him to the squad would be another big gamble.
Agreed, I'd rather just keep faith in Januzaj. We could do with another wide player with pace but should be aiming for better.
Would take him in a heartbeat. He would be a significant upgrade on Valencia, Young and Januzaj (on the short term). Januzaj likely will become better on the future but Shaqiri is currently much better.
I think that you are being snob here, Shaqiri is a good player who seems worse than he is because he is playing in a team with Muller, Ribery, Gotze and Robben.
Even Di Maria would seem not that good, and for 18m( if that's the true price) we shouldn't hesitate, remember at what age Robben or Ribery started achieving their potentials.
If Mourinho were coaching Bayern, certainly so. Ribery and especially Robben would spend more time on the bench, whereas Shaqiri wouldn't be anywhere near the Top11.
But, honestly do you think that Shaqiri could and would improve the current Man Utd side? Some years ago I saw potential, but for 1-2 years I'm just seeing a very good player who is not doing the right things (on the pitch) to qualify as a top player for a top club.
a loan would be nice, but unlikely I know.. we could use some depth in that area, but if we were to sign a winger I think we should be aiming a bit higher.
I hear you, but who is higher at that price, because we have more than one position to fill every spared penny will count.
I still see potential and think that the annoying attitude, he showed in the past year, is down to frustration after never being given the chance to start regularly. It all depends on van Gaal really. I could see a 433 working better than all his experiments so far this season and having another option on the wing would definitely improve the team and allow di Maria to play in midfield (where he should play). The big question is what to do with the 3 top strikers in the team, but depending on the opponent something like the following wouldn't be bad, at least as a tactical option.
Januzaj van Persie Shaqiri
di Maria Herrera
Blind
--- back four ---
Shaqiri for €20 would be a good signing IMO, Especially if LVG wants to persist with the winger options. That way it could possibly free Di Maria to play centrally again to.
The downparts to him is that he can be inconsistent, like the other wingers we have. But the upsides to him are that when he has a good day, he is a great asset to have.
The downparts to him is that he can be inconsistent, like the other wingers we have. But the upsides to him are that when he has a good day, he is a great asset to have.
I agree with you both that under the right circumstances Shaqiri could bring something new to the club.
Would Shaqiri be a better bet than Nani though?
I wouldn't recommend a team of United's ambition to sign Xherdan Shaqiri for € 20M and it's not even about his qualities as a football player. He has talent, he has exciting attributes like his mid- and long-range shot or his pinpoint-passes in the last third. He also has glaring weaknesses like his inability to keep possession on the dribble or to find the best passing option under pressure, but a lot of young players have issues to work out.
What's really worrisome is his mindset whenever he talks about his situation at Bayern München and those are not only reports, but based on direct quotes from the source.
For example he believes he's shown enough to deserve a regular starting-spot at Bayern München. He hasn't even been close.
He believes there's nothing left to prove for him, all that stops him from being a top-class player is a lack of minutes.
He believes Pep Guardiola didn't give him the playing time he deserved last season, in spite of the fact that he played more minutes per game than under Jupp Heynckes, while being injured all the time.
Or my favourite, he believes he's being benchend based on politics and wouldn't even play had he scored in every match.
This young man's attitude is very bad and stinks of entitlement and arrogance or worse, maybe even delusion. The best career-advice anybody can give him, is to fire his brother as an agent and get the services of a real professional. Somebody who will tell Shaqiri a realistic assessment about his abilities and future, instead of family and friends, who butter him up with their bias all the time. I still remember how he phantasized about a move from Bayern München to Barcelona when he first transferred to Munich in 2012. That's the kind of thinking, which got him into this troublesome situation.
Shaqiri has talent, but he's a project and not somebody with an immediate positive impact.
What's really worrisome is his mindset whenever he talks about his situation at Bayern München and those are not only reports, but based on direct quotes from the source.
For example he believes he's shown enough to deserve a regular starting-spot at Bayern München. He hasn't even been close.
He believes there's nothing left to prove for him, all that stops him from being a top-class player is a lack of minutes.
He believes Pep Guardiola didn't give him the playing time he deserved last season, in spite of the fact that he played more minutes per game than under Jupp Heynckes, while being injured all the time.
Or my favourite, he believes he's being benchend based on politics and wouldn't even play had he scored in every match.
This young man's attitude is very bad and stinks of entitlement and arrogance or worse, maybe even delusion. The best career-advice anybody can give him, is to fire his brother as an agent and get the services of a real professional. Somebody who will tell Shaqiri a realistic assessment about his abilities and future, instead of family and friends, who butter him up with their bias all the time. I still remember how he phantasized about a move from Bayern München to Barcelona when he first transferred to Munich in 2012. That's the kind of thinking, which got him into this troublesome situation.
Shaqiri has talent, but he's a project and not somebody with an immediate positive impact.
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Between Pep thinking he lacks intelligence and his seeming attitude issues I don't see us taking a look.
Would absolutely take him here. He'd be a great signing.
We're not looking for a Ronaldo or a Bale. For the price he would be a very good addition and hopefully we can recoup some money offloading Young. Instant upgrade and young enough to improve further. Also I think he is miles ahead of Salah.
Would be a good buy definitely.
Looks like a Liverpool player to me (looking wise).
He wasnt an LVG buy was he?
No. And he does not seem to be a van Gaal player or have the attributes of it. There is so much German players and youngsters that would match better.
His center of gravity is really incredible. I think he's a low risk signing in that he'll produce decently in terms of goals on the right and he's young enough to be re-sold.
-----------------RVP/Falcao--------------------
---------Rooney/Mata---------Shaqiri/Januzaj
------Di Maria/Strootman----------------------
----------------------Herrera/Strootman-------
-----------------Blind/Carrick-------------------
Shaw/FB------------------------------Rafael/FB
--------------CB-----------CB-------------------
Not worth going into CB's in a Shaqiri thread, but the above lineup would do well at picking up points, I think, even if it would struggle against top teams a bit.
-----------------RVP/Falcao--------------------
---------Rooney/Mata---------Shaqiri/Januzaj
------Di Maria/Strootman----------------------
----------------------Herrera/Strootman-------
-----------------Blind/Carrick-------------------
Shaw/FB------------------------------Rafael/FB
--------------CB-----------CB-------------------
Not worth going into CB's in a Shaqiri thread, but the above lineup would do well at picking up points, I think, even if it would struggle against top teams a bit.
I'd like to see him here but if there's any truth in the stories about swapping Ander and £7m for him then that's too much.
Herrera has looked a bit too soft for English football so far but he wouldn't be the first to start slowly in our league.
Herrera has looked a bit too soft for English football so far but he wouldn't be the first to start slowly in our league.
None whats so ever. Its The express ffs. Herrera will need another 2 years to get used to pace of epl
feck him, I say. If we want a quality player for the right wing, I would look somewhere else.
we know exactly after a few games how much he needs to get used to the league. He did very well, you are the anti Mad Winger. Your hate towards Herrera is obvious.Only if you could come with better options, this guy is quality.
I thought we were signing Gaitan?
You can hardly call Gaitan a better option than Shaqiri.
He's definitely LFC quality.
Do not want. We need to sign a top quality winger, not another rather average one.
Reus is too injury prone sadly plus whole Europe will be after him, but still I'd rather sign no winger than Shaqiri. Seems a Spurs/Liverpool type of signing to me.
Reus is too injury prone sadly plus whole Europe will be after him, but still I'd rather sign no winger than Shaqiri. Seems a Spurs/Liverpool type of signing to me.
I'd take him. People question his ability, but he is behind Robben, who right now, is the probably the best player in his position.
He had a good world cup, and would add some much needed pace to our team.
As for Januzaj, I just think the right side of midfield isn't for him
He had a good world cup, and would add some much needed pace to our team.
As for Januzaj, I just think the right side of midfield isn't for him
The Swiss Andy Reid?
Yeah i would take him. Love it how some people think because he is not a first team player for one the best teams in the world he wont be be good enough for us
How many of our players would actually make the Bayern XI?
Yeah i would take him. Love it how some people think because he is not a first team player for one the best teams in the world he wont be be good enough for us
How many of our players would actually make the Bayern XI?