Would you take Pogba back?

[Brightonian]

No. When he replaced Pirlo he played as the deepest midfielder (Pirlo position). When he replaced Vidal or Marchisio he didn't played as the deepest midfielder. I think his best games were when he replaced Marchisio or Vidal (playing with Pirlo), though he was absolutely excellent when he came as a sub for Pirlo in that game against Napoli.

Even in that situation, there's still one very mobile, active midfielder playing with him. Although we sort of play a three man midfield with Kagawa or Rooney, it's not a true three-man central midfield like Juve's. Pogba, if he partnered Carrick, would have to be the most mobile, active, energetic partner - just like Cleverley is, at his best. And I don't see that in his game at all. He's very elegant and efficient and fairly static for the most part - just like Carrick.

 

[Brightonian]

How many times have you watched him this year?

Ten, maybe eleven times. More than enough to know that he's too slow-paced to complement Carrick. Clearly we're never going to agree, but that's definitely my opinion of him.

 

[Comsmit]

How many times have you watched him this year? Have you watched him with Pirlo? He is very energetic he gets around the pitch very well. He is not naturally the same type of players as Carrick/Pirlo/Busquets though he can play that role. He is more mobile than all three he has strength, composure and a great long shot, he is a good tackler and passer also. He has so many qualities he could be a deep lying playmaker later on his career but he would be best as a box to box midfielder. That way he gets to use his vast array of skills.

He can still use his array of skills as a deep playmaker though. You need to have a complete passing range and be able to defend properly. Pirlo isn't just hamstrung behind the attacking third, he gets forward on occasion and his shooting and passing range is terrific as we all know.

 

[Cheesy]

So much hostility towards Pogba on here, it's pretty sad really. His departure from the club left a bit of a bad taste but United can hardly complain considering the questionable way in which we poached him from Le Havre. He stood up to Ferguson and that sealed his fate really, but at least he had the balls to do it. His move to Juventus has been a big success for him and has led to international appearances and a boom in his development. Whatever the circumstances of his time at United his decision has been completely vindicated, nobody can argue that. He has never openly disrespected Manchester United as far as I'm aware. There is a lot of open arrogance from United supporters over the Pogba affair, talk of Serie A being some shitarse league and Juventus being "a step down." Pogba is an "arrogant cnut" etc. etc.

That is utter conceited bollocks. The truth is Juventus are a huge club with a glittering history (we all know the bad side) and they have a team full of terrific footballers. They are easily on the level United are at, won their respective league at a canter and progressed further in the Champions League last year, losing to an awesome Bayern side. Pogba has flourished under a progressive coach and next to talented teammates. Who wouldn't learn great things from Andrea Pirlo? He never had that at United, the chance to play games consistantly with Scholes and Giggs....just a handful of token appearances in dead rubber games. I'm not sure he ever had a run of tour games like Januzaj has.

I keep hearing how Pogba wasn't ready because he didn't up his game in the reserves. The reserve system in this country is a pile of shit, it's first team football in competitive leagues that improve young players. Foreign coaches like Wenger have long bemoaned the uncompetitive nature of the reserve leagues, pushing for their respective teams to be entered into the Football League. The fact is Pogba was ready for first team football, and more so he could have made an impact. You don't suddenly go from being not ready, to a few months later stringing together some top performances for an elite European side. Whether he would have got more time for United last season is debatable, but the sad fact is he was offered 7 substitute appearances in two seasons. For fecking hells sake Bebe and Obertan had more game time in the equivalent period, just baffling. Everyone refers to the Blackburn game at Old Trafford but that was just the icing on the cake.....United were having issues in midfield since the start of that particular season. Pogba could have had games up to Christmas and he never did, despite Ferguson's proclaimation that he needed to play the boy or risk losing him.

In answer to the question no I would not have him back. It's best to look forward and concentrate on what we have.....Nick Powell needs to be developed accordingly and he could be a potential star. Pogba should not have been lost is the simple fact, but United, and in particular Ferguson have a certain way of operating when it comes to the development of young players. Pogba by his own admission was impatient to play, and his extreme outward self-assuredness perhaps didn't rest well with the manager. Who knows. I think both parties contributed to the effect. That's my two bob anyway.

Excellent post. Most sense I've seen in this thread so far.

 

[Revan]

Even in that situation, there's still one very mobile, active midfielder playing with him. Although we sort of play a three man midfield with Kagawa or Rooney, it's not a true three-man central midfield like Juve's. Pogba, if he partnered Carrick, would have to be the most mobile, active, energetic partner - just like Cleverley is, at his best. And I don't see that in his game at all. He's very elegant and efficient and fairly static for the most part - just like Carrick.

Hmm, you could be right here. Especially if the 'three man midfield' consist of Rodney. With Kagawa I don't think that it would be a problem of a midfield with Pogba and Carrick. I think that Pogba is energetic enough, he's not Vidal of course but he runs a lot. And is very good at passing. Of course he has a lot to improve on positioning but the talent is there. Anyway, I still think that he could have done a good job next to Carrick (or at times in a midfield three with the third midfielder being one of Cleverley, Ando or Giggs). Point is SAF didn't want to risk playing an inexperienced player, while Conte made that risk. Life goes on but we have lost one of the top 5 - top 10 under 23 midfielders in the world. Hopefully we have learn from the mistakes and we give Januzaj a chance. Better that than call him after some years a cnut who left us for more money.

 

[JaffyJoe]

So what do you think Fergie's reasons were for not playing this prodigious young midfielder against Blackburn despite promising him first team football and clearly knowing just how good he was?


He was a lazy fecker playing for the reserves and that doesn't get you a first team call up. Simple as that. Has he got talent? Of course he has, the only shame is that he didn't think he had to try harder to make it here.

He'll feck Juve around at some point and get a move to another club and he'll feck them around too. He's done it with two clubs already.

As for turning down more money to go to Juve, that is bollocks. Here's a direct quote from Pogba: "He obviously thought I didn't deserve the contract I asked for, and didn't put me in the team even though he had no midfield players. It was his choice."

We wouldn't pay him what he wanted. Simple.

Neither of us know what Fergie's reason was. If that is what you want to believe fair play. He CLEARLY wanted more first team playing time, which he couldn't get. His agent let him know he was a wanted man so he tried to play power games here and that failed. His confidence in his own ability is being justified.

He has fully justified his move. He is one of the best young midfielder's out there. You can carry on with your Cleverley's that love the club etc. but he will be on the bench once we get a quality midifielder in. Talent is what counts and that is why I feel we should have accommodated him more, attempted to show him that he was part of the club's long term future. I don't feel we did that enough personally.

Raiola is not a nice guy but fair play to Pogba for taking control of his on the filed destiny. His football is doing ALL his talking for him.

You can bang on about the reserves all you want but i'm watching him standout against Spain and at Juventus.

 

[JaffyJoe]

Ten, maybe eleven times. More than enough to know that he's too slow-paced to complement Carrick. Clearly we're never going to agree, but that's definitely my opinion of him.

Fair enough I respect your opinion. I think he is a great athlete personally. Gets around the pitch well.

 

[JaffyJoe]

He can still use his array of skills as a deep playmaker though. You need to have a complete passing range and be able to defend properly. Pirlo isn't just hamstrung behind the attacking third, he gets forward on occasion and his shooting and passing range is terrific as we all know.

Pirlo ability to influence games is somewhat dictate by how hard the other two midifleders work for him, Carrick's ceiling is limited by how good his partner is (as in if he was beside a Fabreags/Modric/Thago he would be even better imo) and Busquets can only influence a game so much if Xavi and/or Iniesta are off. Pogba for me can be on the front line, the one driving the midfield forward. That box to box midfielder for me has more responsibility, he is also defensively responsible but contributes more to the attack than a dmf, I agree about Pirlo of course. But how often (bar free kick's) do we get to see his shooting ability. At times from that deep he struggles to influence games (not often though)

 

[Brightonian]

Hmm, you could be right here. Especially if the 'three man midfield' consist of Rodney. With Kagawa I don't think that it would be a problem of a midfield with Pogba and Carrick. I think that Pogba is energetic enough, he's not Vidal of course but he runs a lot. And is very good at passing. Of course he has a lot to improve on positioning but the talent is there. Anyway, I still think that he could have done a good job next to Carrick (or at times in a midfield three with the third midfielder being one of Cleverley, Ando or Giggs). Point is SAF didn't want to risk playing an inexperienced player, while Conte made that risk. Life goes on but we have lost one of the top 5 - top 10 under 23 midfielders in the world. Hopefully we have learn from the mistakes and we give Januzaj a chance. Better that than call him after some years a cnut who left us for more money.

I guess I agree with this. I think a midfield of him, Carrick and someone like Cleverley would be the perfect fit for Pogba, but obviously that screws up the Kagawa/Rooney position, which I think is the lynchpin of our formation, so it wouldn't be a good idea.

I maintain that we didn't make that much of a mistake letting Pogba go. In a way I think it worked out ok for everyone. Whilst it would be nice to have him still, as I say I don't see him fitting next to Carrick very well. Juve got an excellent player, and Pogba got the playing time that he deserved in a system that suits him. I'm certainly not one of those who are bitter about it or think Pogba did anything wrong. But nor do I think we made some kind of terrible howler. Pogba is a better player than Cleverley, but I personally prefer an in-form Cleverley next to Carrick than the Pogba we've seen at Juve, because I always prefer to see players in their very best positions, rather than the best players in slightly inappropriate positions, if you see what I mean.

It's a convenient view to have, because it means I feel fairly happy with the whole situation. The good young players should always be playing, one way or another, for the good of football as a whole.

 

[Raees]

 

[Genius Me!]

That video makes me angry, he couldn't even give a tenth of that for the reserves. I don't care what anyone says and I'll disagree with most of you but we all know that Fergie rewards youngsters who stand out in reserves and keep pushing themselves, that's why Januzaj made the PL bench at a younger age than what Pogba was because he works hard and stands out in almost every match.

If he had just knuckled down instead of letting his agent and ego do the talking then he would have got the chances. He says that he spoke to Fergie and asked why he wasn't getting played. It's so easy for those of you who have never seen him play until Juventus to say what you like, but he didn't do what was necessary to get into the first team for us and it's as simple as that.

I don't understand how you all blame Fergie when Pogba wasn't motivated enough to prove himself, he was in his first full year in the reserve ffs and if you had watched the matches without Knowing who he was you wouldn't have thought he was our best CM let alone our best player.

 

[Revan]

That video makes me angry, he couldn't even give a tenth of that for the reserves. I don't care what anyone says and I'll disagree with most of you but we all know that Fergie rewards youngsters who stand out in reserves and keep pushing themselves, that's why Januzaj made the PL bench at a younger age than what Pogba was because he works hard and stands out in almost every match.

You couldn't find a worse example. Pogba played some games as a sub in a season when the champion was determined in the last minute. Januzaj was our reserve player of the season in a season when we won the league about two months before the end. Still Fergie didn't gave him any minutes.

Fergie rewarded youngsters, but he became more cautious in recent years.

I don't understand how you all blame Fergie when Pogba wasn't motivated enough to prove himself, he was in his first full year in the reserve ffs and if you had watched the matches without Knowing who he was you wouldn't have thought he was our best CM let alone our best player.

Tbf, it is difficult being motivated for the reserves if you are beyond that level. If we would have put Jones on reserves I doubt that he would have been that much motivated, and currently Pogba is the better player.

He was at times our best midfielder, sometimes was Petrucci. Still not that much irrelevant IMO.

 

[devilish]

If Pogba was a former Liverpool player then we would have been laughing at their club for the terrible way they had mishandled the issue. How could they not given first team chances to such great talent when it was evident that CM was so weak? Unfortunately we're talking about SAF here, the untouchable god who never ever made mistakes. So...if its not SAF's fault then it must be Pogba's.

Lets face it guys. SAF got too emotional regarding CM and couldnt find the strength of injecting new talent in a weak CM made up of his kids (Giggs, Cleverley, Scholes and Fletcher) and Ando (who no matter how many injuries he had he still remain at OT). The end result is there to be seen. Pogba built a great career for himself at Juventus while our club is knocking at Barca's doors with crazy offers for nearly impossible transfers. Needless to say SAF was a great manager but lets face it, on this particular issue, he fecked it big time.

 

[Rado_N]

If it's difficult to motivate yourself because you think you're above playing for the reserves then don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

 

[devilish]

You couldn't find a worse example. Pogba played some games as a sub in a season when the champion was determined in the last minute. Januzaj was our reserve player of the season in a season when we won the league about two months before the end. Still Fergie didn't gave him any minutes.

Fergie rewarded youngsters, but he became more cautious in recent years.



Tbf, it is difficult being motivated for the reserves if you are beyond that level. If we would have put Jones on reserves I doubt that he would have been that much motivated, and currently Pogba is the better player.

He was at times our best midfielder, sometimes was Petrucci. Still not that much irrelevant IMO.

Rather then cautious he got too emotional, which explains why an ever increasing players were kept despite their career at United was over. Such thing tend to frustrate ambitious young talent.

 

[devilish]

If it's difficult to motivate yourself because you think you're above playing for the reserves then don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

And that's exactly what he did. Guess what, he's not the one having problems that needs to be sorted

 

[Genius Me!]

If it's difficult to motivate yourself because you think you're above playing for the reserves then don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

Yep, exactly. He would have been great for us, but I won't lose any sleep over it. It sets a dangerous precedent to the other youngsters, sooner or later they'll all end up in mutiny if we just bend over backwards to players who can't motivate themselves.

 

[kouroux]

Absolutely yes but it'll never happen as Pogba would never wanna go back here and Utd would never wanna sign him back.

 

[Ole240599]

If Pogba was a former Liverpool player then we would have been laughing at their club for the terrible way they had mishandled the issue. How could they not given first team chances to such great talent when it was evident that CM was so weak? Unfortunately we're talking about SAF here, the untouchable god who never ever made mistakes. So...if its not SAF's fault then it must be Pogba's.

Lets face it guys. SAF got too emotional regarding CM and couldnt find the strength of injecting new talent in a weak CM made up of his kids (Giggs, Cleverley, Scholes and Fletcher) and Ando (who no matter how many injuries he had he still remain at OT). The end result is there to be seen. Pogba built a great career for himself at Juventus while our club is knocking at Barca's doors with crazy offers for nearly impossible transfers. Needless to say SAF was a great manager but lets face it, on this particular issue, he fecked it big time.

I think you're spot on. SAF rightly has god like status but on this one he had a blind spot that resulted in us losing a tremendous asset.

 

[The Neviller]

Oh goodie, another Pogba thread. The last one was fun, so this should be a riot.

 

[Genius Me!]

Oh goodie, another Pogba thread. The last one was fun, so this should be a riot.

What's your Pogba thoughts? Are you with the majority or minority?

 

[Name Changed]

Would Moyes think of Pogba as a legitimate target, clean slate and all that, or would he avoid the baggage involved? Would you welcome him back in the future?

In a heartbeat.

 

[The Neviller]

What's your Pogba thoughts? Are you with the majority or minority?

Truthfully, I couldn't really give a feck. The last time I watched him play was for our reserves. I doubt I'll see much of him in the future, unless we play Juve. He doesn't play for United any more, so I've no interest in him. Much like Ronaldo. Couldn't give a feck what he does or where he does it. They didn't want to stay here, so cheerio.

If either of them end up back at United I'd start to be interested again. Until then, meh.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

I wouldn't want him back at Manchester United. Some players you can forgive for disrespecting a club once. Players like Ronaldo, Nistelrooy, Beckham etc can be forgiven because of how good they are on the pitch. They are/were some of the best players in their respective positions. Pogba is nowhere near that level and I can only imagine his ego getting bigger if he does reach that status. Don't let this guy anywhere near our club.

 

[Genius Me!]

What did van Nistelrooy and Beckham do wrong? They were both forced out by Fergie.

Plus Ronaldo has been nothing short of respectful about us since he left.

 

[Name Changed]

I don't see how Pogba disrespected the club. Because he left? So what? Players leave. It turned out to be a good decision.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

What did van Nistelrooy and Beckham do wrong? They were both forced out by Fergie.

Plus Ronaldo has been nothing short of respectful about us since he left.

No I wasn't saying they were disrespectful, I was saying that IF they were disrespectful.

I don't see how Pogba disrespected the club. Because he left? So what? Players leave. It turned out to be a good decision.

I think Pogba did for sure. The way he conducted himself was slightly out of line. Having said that, Rooney has done far worse in my opinion

 

[Genius Me!]

No I wasn't saying they were disrespectful, I was saying that IF they were disrespectful.

I think Pogba did for sure. The way he conducted himself was slightly out of line. Having said that, Rooney has done far worse in my opinion

You didn't say that, but I'll accept your change of stance.

 

[Revan]

If it's difficult to motivate yourself because you think you're above playing for the reserves then don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

He did exactly that and now is having a successful career at a big club like Juve. Better that than playing for United reserves or going to loan in a team like Sunderland or so. We are having midfield issues to be fair and he looks to be one of the biggest young midfield talents there.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

You didn't say that, but I'll accept your change of stance.

Re-read the post. You are correct, I failed to type that. You get the gist of what I was trying to say.

 

[Comsmit]

That video makes me angry, he couldn't even give a tenth of that for the reserves. I don't care what anyone says and I'll disagree with most of you but we all know that Fergie rewards youngsters who stand out in reserves and keep pushing themselves, that's why Januzaj made the PL bench at a younger age than what Pogba was because he works hard and stands out in almost every match.

If he had just knuckled down instead of letting his agent and ego do the talking then he would have got the chances. He says that he spoke to Fergie and asked why he wasn't getting played. It's so easy for those of you who have never seen him play until Juventus to say what you like, but he didn't do what was necessary to get into the first team for us and it's as simple as that.

I don't understand how you all blame Fergie when Pogba wasn't motivated enough to prove himself, he was in his first full year in the reserve ffs and if you had watched the matches without Knowing who he was you wouldn't have thought he was our best CM let alone our best player.

I wish people would stop parping on about Pogba in the frigging reserves, using it as some shitstick to beat him with. Christ sake Paul Scholes refused to travel for a reserve game at one point in his early career. The reserve league is a waste of fecking time in this country, it isn't competitive enough to improve talented young players. Pogba was blatantly ready to be tested with first team football, Ferguson admitted he needed to play him or lose him so straight from the horses mouth.

You are suggesting Pogba wasn't motivated enough to prove himself, I would say it's the other way around. His self-assuredness clearly made him question why he wasn't getting games, he felt he could contribute. He wanted to play, whether he went the right way about it with Ferguson is clearly up for debate, but you cannot argue with his first season at Juventus. His boom in development, including a first international cap, and contribution to their season was first-class.

 

[Genius Me!]

I wish people would stop parping on about Pogba in the frigging reserves, using it as some shitstick to beat him with. Christ sake Paul Scholes refused to travel for a reserve game at one point in his early career. The reserve league is a waste of fecking time in this country, it isn't competitive enough to improve talented young players. Pogba was blatantly ready to be tested with first team football, Ferguson admitted he needed to play him or lose him so straight from the horses mouth.

You are suggesting Pogba wasn't motivated enough to prove himself, I would say it's the other way around. His self-assuredness clearly made him question why he wasn't getting games, he felt he could contribute. He wanted to play, whether he went the right way about it with Ferguson is clearly up for debate, but you cannot argue with his first season at Juventus. His boom in development, including a first international cap, and contribution to their season was first-class.

Well if that's the case then Januzaj should feck the reserves off too as it's obvious the level is beneath him. All other youngsters who think they're ready to demand first team football at Manchester United should feck the reserves off as well. feck it, lets just be done with the reserve league and scrap it shall we.

 

[Rado_N]

He did exactly that and now is having a successful career at a big club like Juve. Better that than playing for United reserves or going to loan in a team like Sunderland or so. We are having midfield issues to be fair and he looks to be one of the biggest young midfield talents there.

Talent is only part of the story. Are you suggesting that SAF watched him regularly and thought to himself 'this kid isn't good enough', or do you think it's possible that he watched him and thought 'this kid is talented, I just wish he'd apply himself fully'?

If you don't apply yourself 100% at all times, you don't get into the managers plans. Or at least you didn't at United under Sir Alex - I can't comment on how Juve do things.

It's not upto reserve players to decide how good they are and whether or not they need to make the effort in the reserves. Their job is simple, work your fecking socks off at all times, it's up to the manager to pick the team.

Pogba thought ht was too talented for the reserves. Maybe he was, but if he'd decided 'I'll fecking show him I'm ready' rather than 'feck this, this is below me' then maybe he'd still be here.

As it stands, he didn't, so feck him. People really need to get over it.

 

[Revan]

Well if that's the case then Januzaj should feck the reserves off too as it's obvious the level is beneath him. All other youngsters who think they're ready to demand first team football at Manchester United should feck the reserves off as well. feck it, lets just be done with the reserve league and scrap it shall we.

Not a bad idea to be fair, though for another debate. I think that the reserve league is really a waste of time and needs a deep reformation. I don't know a single player who made the big jump from reserve/U21 league to a Premier League top four in a decade or so.

About Januzaj, well if we don't give him chances I wouldn't be surprised that he'll have a similar fate. Sooner we realize that not every player's dream is to made it to United, better for us. Players want to play, and if a similar club to us give them their chances, they'll leave. It happens everywhere.

 

[devilish]

Well if that's the case then Januzaj should feck the reserves off too as it's obvious the level is beneath him. All other youngsters who think they're ready to demand first team football at Manchester United should feck the reserves off as well. feck it, lets just be done with the reserve league and scrap it shall we.

What makes you think that Januzaj wouldn't do a Pogba if the right offer comes in?

 

[Revan]

Talent is only part of the story. Are you suggesting that SAF watched him regularly and thought to himself 'this kid isn't good enough', or do you think it's possible that he watched him and thought 'this kid is talented, I just wish he'd apply himself fully'?

If you don't apply yourself 100% at all times, you don't get into the managers plans. Or at least you didn't at United under Sir Alex - I can't comment on how Juve do things.

It's not upto reserve players to decide how good they are and whether or not they need to make the effort in the reserves. Their job is simple, work your fecking socks off at all times, it's up to the manager to pick the team.

Pogba thought ht was too talented for the reserves. Maybe he was, but if he'd decided 'I'll fecking show him I'm ready' rather than 'feck this, this is below me' then maybe he'd still be here.

As it stands, he didn't, so feck him. People really need to get over it.

Ferguson said that of we don't give time to Pogba, we'll lose him. Yet he didn't get him on pre-season and didn't give him enough time.

I agree that talent is only part of the story, but it is a really important part of the story. Sir Alex in the past gave playing time to youngsters when he saw that they had talent. Fletcher looked hopeless in the beginning but SAF acknowledged his talent and gave him time. Same to other players, players far less talented than Pogba.

Pogba is one of the most talented midfielder in the world. He is likely in top 5 U21 midfielders there. Point is, we are desperate for a similar midfielder and we lost him. Regardless if he gave 100% or not in reserves, he was ready and good enough for the first team. I don't think that all players should play the mandatory reserve game in order to be ready for the first team. We usually bypass them to signings like Rooney, Ronaldo or Jones. Yes somehow (bar in Rafael's case) we don't do the same for players of the academy. We were willing to play anyone before Pogba in that season, which I think is a mistake.

Sir Alex had a lot of difficult decisions to make in his time here, and he was that good that most of the time he made the correct decisions. Yet unfortunately I am pretty sure that he made a mistake here.

We will all be happy if we sign a young midfielder like Kongodbia or McCarthy. But we lost a midfielder who is twice as good as them. A midfielder that likely would cost 30m in today's market. It's not that United will turn into a pub club without Pogba but still he could have given us a good option and would had solved the midfield issue for us. Life goes on of course, but I hope that this is a lesson we learnt.

 

[Castia]

Well if that's the case then Januzaj should feck the reserves off too as it's obvious the level is beneath him. All other youngsters who think they're ready to demand first team football at Manchester United should feck the reserves off as well. feck it, lets just be done with the reserve league and scrap it shall we.

The thing is Pogba was ready, there's no question about it he would have improved a position in our team that's needed reinforcement for years. It's not a typical case of young kid wants to play in the first team, he knew how good he is and when he wasn't get the opportunity here decided to better himself and play regularly for one of the best clubs in Europe and becoming a French international player within 6 months of leaving our reserve team. He's been proven to be right while we still look for players to play in his position.

 

[RedRonaldo]

The truth is, Pogba has made a good career decision for himself, the same way Rossi, Pique did. We could have handle the situation better, but I don't care how good he is now, youngster with bad attitude, don't want him here.

 

[Genius Me!]

The thing is Pogba was ready, there's no question about it he would have improved a position in our team that's needed reinforcement for years. It's not a typical case of young kid wants to play in the first team, he knew how good he is and when he wasn't get the opportunity here decided to better himself and play regularly for one of the best clubs in Europe and becoming a French international player within 6 months of leaving our reserve team. He's been proven to be right while we still look for players to play in his position.

Look, I was very much in the camp of people who wanted Pogba to get games. But I don't agree with an untested 18 year old making demands without proving his worth. Yes we all know how talented he is, but if he couldn't push himself to excel at reserve level then why did he deserve to get chances in the first team?

That sends out a message to players like Lingard and co that they don't need to work hard to make it here, they can just threaten to leave and demand a place. There were games when he was in between reserve and first team squads where he was literally just strolling along like he was too good for the place.

The only way to catch the managers eye is by proving yourself with your football, if he had shown the manager that he was too good for the reserves by dominating the reserves then he would have got fast tracked into the side. He got 2 chances in the carling cup, and to me he looked nervous compared to Morrison who outshone him.

Yeah as it turns out he was right that he was too good for the reserves, we all know that. But he should have shown us that he was too good for reserves at the time rather than sulk that he's not in the first team. It was his first full season for the reserves as well, he should have owned it.

 

[Castia]

I get your point, I know we shouldn't just bend over and give any 18 year old kid a place in the team but Pogba is a rare talent, no disrespect to Lingard and Adnan but they aren't in the same class has Pogba, not to mention there position in the squad is well covered.

To put it in perspective how many players from any reserve team in Europe can leave after being given limited chances of first team football and find themselves playing for a top European club and being a full international for a team like France in the space of a few months? there's probably none, especially not in the premier league.