Would you take Pogba back?
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No one's saying that any of them are incompetent idiots. Giggs is one of our greatest players and ended up playing quite well at times last season. What is clear though is that he's older now and he won't have long left. We need to always be looking to the future and despite having lasted for so long, Giggs involvement in the future is going to be as a coach.
Jones had some very good games in midfield but it's clear he's not going to be a central midfielder long term. He's not the best of passers, his ball control is fairly average for a midfielder although good for a defender, he's not got the tactical awareness to play there, and he looks like he has the potential to be a top class defender anyway, meaning he'd be much better served playing there.
Cleverley and Anderson might not be done. I expect Anderson is and I don't see much hope for him, but I do rate Cleverley and think he could be a very good player for us. There's not much to suggest though that he'll be a better player than Pogba and at the moment you'd take the latter. Should Cleverley turn into a top class player, there's an argument that he would've paired very well with Pgoba in midfield, giving us another reason to have kept him.
No one's saying our midfield is completely shit. Just that Pogba could've been a top class player who we should've kept and who could've been the solution to our problems.
What... even if Pogba didn't compliment Carrick perfectly, how many partners did Carrick have last season? It wouldn't matter. Who's to say in your theoretical '20 games' that he plays well we don't build up such a substantial lead that the opposition wouldn't catch us? See how stupid this is? That's why I was hoping it was a joke.
It's kinda weird that people are still crying and butthurt over this tbh 
I agree with the person who said it has worked out for both parties. United felt he wasn't ready and didn't want to throw him in, he felt he was ready and moved on to start for another team. Good for him.
I agree with the person who said it has worked out for both parties. United felt he wasn't ready and didn't want to throw him in, he felt he was ready and moved on to start for another team. Good for him.
It's kinda weird that people are still crying and butthurt over this tbh
Again, no one is butthurt and no one is crying. People merely think that we should've given Pogba more game time in order to keep him. What part of that don't people get?
And United didn't, he moved on, got game time, good for him. In how many different blocks of posts and in how many different ways can(usually the same set of posters) people argue ad nauseum that United were wrong, they messed up, no they didn't, bla bla bla? And the fact that the Pogba theme has been recurring since he left does show that some people are still crying and butthurt that he left, especially now that the thirst for a new midfielder here is at an all time high.
Nobody is crying over it and I doubt anyone is "butthurt", whatever the hell that means.
You can still discuss a player after he goes. And obviously there'll be a good bit of discussion about our former players, there's no harm it that whatsoever.
You can still discuss a player after he goes. And obviously there'll be a good bit of discussion about our former players, there's no harm it that whatsoever.
That's wrong to be fair, we're short of quality in midfield even if it doesn't stop us from winning titles. Barcelona were wrong to swap Eto'o and €46m for Zlatan yet still won the league the following season, it doesn't make it a correct move.
It worked out better for Pogba than it did for us, obviously. We missed out on having a top quality midfielder because management felt he wasn't ready. People said he wouldn't get a look in at Juve because he wasn't ready and because of all the quality midfielders they had. Well, he was and he did and won the league. Shit happens.
Exactly. Pogba hasn't really missed out on anything - Juventus are an equally big side with an equally strong team right now, have been well run for the past couple of years and will probably get better with time (finally signing a forward this Summer will improve them greatly). We've not really gained anything by letting him go and are currently struggling to find a similar midfielder.
To be fair, what do you expect in a Pogba thread? If you don't like talking about it, simply stay out of it. Good for you, good for posters who want to talk about him. Win-win situation.
Only if he signed an agreement stating he would only use Scholes as an agent.
I'm never to sure about players with his character and by that I mean spitting and ditching practice and mouthing off a lot. He didn't leave the club with burned bridges. That was mostly just the caf. He left for simple reasons which got immediately fulfilled and I don't blame him. We could well have used him but we didn't, so he left.
Since leaving his character has been questionable but his talent isn't. I reckon he'd be a starter right away. He's well capable of holding down that role.
Since leaving his character has been questionable but his talent isn't. I reckon he'd be a starter right away. He's well capable of holding down that role.
Thanks for that utterly useless and pointless tip
Thanks for that utterly useless and pointless tip
It sounded like pretty sound advice to me. If you don't like seeing them talking about Pogba, maybe one of the mods will oblige with a thread ban?
EDIT: Also, note the irony of calling something 'useless and pointless'. That's tautology, by definition the use of 'pointless' words.
Thanks also for the utterly pointless and useless tip and for the grammar tip too. If you could be so kind as to help notify the mods to help with my thread ban
I'd take him back, for sure. In a ideal world, I'd say no - he can do one but one should never get emotions involved in "business", because that's what football has become.
There wasn't much wrong with what Pogba did tbf. Other than maybe say a couple of negative things about the club etc, but he had every right to go look for first team football elsewhere. It's not like he did a Suarez or anything of that kind.
We expect a little "loyalty" from players, yet as soon as the club can find a replacement for a player, the club will show little to no loyalty. It should go both ways.
We've also had our fair share of twats represents our club, so it's pointless using that as a stick to beat him with, unless he literally does it on a Suarez level. If he's good enough, then I'd take him back and at the moment - he looks destined for big things, especially in a position we need strengthening in.
There wasn't much wrong with what Pogba did tbf. Other than maybe say a couple of negative things about the club etc, but he had every right to go look for first team football elsewhere. It's not like he did a Suarez or anything of that kind.
We expect a little "loyalty" from players, yet as soon as the club can find a replacement for a player, the club will show little to no loyalty. It should go both ways.
We've also had our fair share of twats represents our club, so it's pointless using that as a stick to beat him with, unless he literally does it on a Suarez level. If he's good enough, then I'd take him back and at the moment - he looks destined for big things, especially in a position we need strengthening in.
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That is one loose definition of 'great midfielder'! The logic in that second sentence is overused and equally flawed each time unfortunately.
As for the discussion itself: we lost a midfielder, it didn't cost us last season and Juventus profited massively. It's a kick in the teeth but it's not as simple as saying that we fecked it up either. Fergie is partly responsible due to his insistence on always playing 2 midfielders when he was here, just as he could also be questioned for the Blackburn game and others in which we deployed bizarre or clearly unsuitable combinations in the centre. Finally, we were sort of asking for it by making public comments regarding fears of his departure if we didn't play him.
That being said, Pogba himself showed absolutely no desire whatsoever in the reserves to round off facets of his game that needed to be improved upon for him to make it in our team as it was then. I say this on here all the time, but I feel like it needs to be repeated because he really did have such a prominent weakness in his game. For the reserves, he looked so poor positionally that he didn't actually looked arsed. On the odd time I've seen him for Juventus there have still been elements of this, although this sort of weakness is masked a lot more when you're playing alongside two of Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal. It's nothing like the sort of problem it could've been with us just having him play alongside a deep lying Carrick.
Maybe it would've been different had we played him more, but it's worth noting that during that period we were only just winning games, finding it extremely difficult to close them out in doing so. Paul Scholes was also playing at a level that Pogba may never reach for all we know, and we were more than vindicated in our decision to bring him back.
I can't believe Twig reckons that Jones, Anderson and even Giggs and Cleverley are great midfielders, he just says these things to look uber positive as per usual. It's impossible to watch Anderson play football and consider him great at it.
To be honest I wouldn't even call Carrick a "great midfielder", though I guess that depends on what you mean by great. Jones isn't even an actual midfielder. Strange post.
Yes.
Would take Pogba back, wouldn't take Ronaldo back. In to the ever increasing spacker list you go.lolz
It's kinda weird that people are still crying and butthurt over this tbh
I agree with the person who said it has worked out for both parties. United felt he wasn't ready and didn't want to throw him in, he felt he was ready and moved on to start for another team. Good for him.
Most people discuss this quite rationally, to be honest. It's bound to be argued to the death as well...the situation is so typical it's hilarious. We've been hammering on about the midfield for years to the extent that it's become a running joke, only for us to then lose a player who will perhaps go on to be one of the best midfielders in the world. It's like something out of a sketch.
People need to get over it and stop telling people to get over it.
It's a fascinating situation watching how he progresses from this point onwards and people are going to discuss it whether others like it or not. To be honest, he's the sort of player that would get a fair bit of attention even if he wasn't previously ours - we'd probably want to sign him!If you wouldn't even call Carrick a great midfielder then there isn't a single great one in the Premier League.
Only if you base it solely on last year's form. If you take their whole career into account the likes of Lampard and Gerrard were far better than Carrick. You also have players like Toure who, at their very best, are better than Carrick at his very best. Then you have players like Wilshere who have the potential to be far better than Carrick.
Carrick is a very good midfielder but I wouldn't call him "a great". Like I said, it depends on how you define greatness.
Carrick's been a crucial key player of Manchester United in an era when the club won five league titles and reached the Champions League final three times. He's not an all-time great but he's a great midfielder no matter how you look at it.
Touré is an inferior CM to Carrick; he's a beast when playing behind the striker, making those late runs but as a deep CM he's really not that good. Wilshere's done absolutely nothing yet, he had a few outstanding performances that led to a lot of hype but so far he spends more time in the treatment room than on the pitch.
I don't really understand this. We have used agents to our advantage just as much as anyone. Wasn't RVPs agent a huge factor in his joining us? Similarly if we somehow managed to get Ronaldo back then a lot of that would be down to his agent.
To be fair I don't think Toure or Wilshere are great players either, just that they can be/have the potential to be better than Carrick.
I don't think the Carrick's trophy haul proves anything. Fletcher used to be a key player for us too, but he wasn't a great midfielder either. You can only judge players on their actual quality and performances, not the trophies and prizes they collect as part of a team. Is Carrick good enough to be considered a great midfielder? I don't think so. For example, I don't think Carrick would get into the Barca or Bayern teams and would struggle to get into the Real team. Is that something you should be able to say about a genuinely great midfielder? I certainly wouldn't have said it about the likes of Scholes or Keane, our last actually great CMS.
Carrick of last two seasons would have been a starter on Madrid's midfield but generally I agree with your point. If by great we mean something like in top 5 players of that position and a player than would be a starter in every team then yeah that's a good definition and Carrick isn't great. He is in the category right below it though.
Great assit pass for Vidals goal.
Yes i would take him back.
Yes i would take him back.
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Do Pogba related threads have to be bumped everytime he does something good? Get over it for feck sake. And no I wouldn't take him back.
It's ridiculous. Pogba threads goes through the same process constantly.
He plays > thread bumped > we made a huge mistake > reasons for/against > would you take him back? > thread dies down again until the next time he plays
It's ridiculous alright, he wanted to leave and he's fulfilling the promise he has. It wasn't to be but that's life, not everything works out how it should or how you hope. People are fecking obsessed with Pogba.
Maybe lock it for an extended period? With deadline day approaching , and then the possible few weeks after, this thread will be bumped over and over..
Cracking pass by Pogba. He sure learned a few things from Pirlo already.
Yes, and i'd fecking apologize to him for Fergie's inexplicable behavior !
He is a good man, United through and through and one of the best managers to have ever graced the game, but his decisions about our midfield for the last couple of years have been inexplicable for me. Also the man can be so damn stubborn, it is a large part of his success, but occasionally it has cost him aswell. Pogba is one of those occasions.
We were in such dire need of midfielders we opted to play Rafael in there, but we didn't give Pogba a fair chance. We rather brought back Scholes than give him a fair chance. I can really see why he would be so disillusioned by this and why he would be mad and frustrated because of it. At the time, i just thought Fergie will know best, he probably just isn't ready yet for the Manchester United first team level. If he is so impatient, that he'd rather go sit on the bench at Juventus than on ours, than so be it. I blamed it on him and on his naivety and his impatience, just like most. But having seen him at Juventus, i have to say i was terribly wrong in my judgement at the time.
Pogba is phenomenal, such a talent, such a good player. He clearly was ready for Manchester United first team football. He is exactly what we need now, and what we have needed for years. If he is such a good player for Juventus, he should have always goten his chances at United, always ! I don't know why Fergie didn't play him, why he didn't gave him a chance, but it was madness to keep him out of the team in order to play a 36 year old Paul Scholes who just came back from retirement. I don't care if Pogba was impatient, i don't care if he was demanding things, he clearly has got the talent to back it up, and he deserved a fair chance to prove it. If we had played him, he would have become and instant succes and we would have had a brilliant talented midfielder from our own youth system. I'am mad and frustrated about this, so much i can't begin to explain it ! It was utterly stupid what Fergie did, given the situation.
If Pogba would want to come back and we could get him for a reasonable fee, i would not doubt a second about it, and welcome him with open arms !
He is a good man, United through and through and one of the best managers to have ever graced the game, but his decisions about our midfield for the last couple of years have been inexplicable for me. Also the man can be so damn stubborn, it is a large part of his success, but occasionally it has cost him aswell. Pogba is one of those occasions.
We were in such dire need of midfielders we opted to play Rafael in there, but we didn't give Pogba a fair chance. We rather brought back Scholes than give him a fair chance. I can really see why he would be so disillusioned by this and why he would be mad and frustrated because of it. At the time, i just thought Fergie will know best, he probably just isn't ready yet for the Manchester United first team level. If he is so impatient, that he'd rather go sit on the bench at Juventus than on ours, than so be it. I blamed it on him and on his naivety and his impatience, just like most. But having seen him at Juventus, i have to say i was terribly wrong in my judgement at the time.
Pogba is phenomenal, such a talent, such a good player. He clearly was ready for Manchester United first team football. He is exactly what we need now, and what we have needed for years. If he is such a good player for Juventus, he should have always goten his chances at United, always ! I don't know why Fergie didn't play him, why he didn't gave him a chance, but it was madness to keep him out of the team in order to play a 36 year old Paul Scholes who just came back from retirement. I don't care if Pogba was impatient, i don't care if he was demanding things, he clearly has got the talent to back it up, and he deserved a fair chance to prove it. If we had played him, he would have become and instant succes and we would have had a brilliant talented midfielder from our own youth system. I'am mad and frustrated about this, so much i can't begin to explain it ! It was utterly stupid what Fergie did, given the situation.
If Pogba would want to come back and we could get him for a reasonable fee, i would not doubt a second about it, and welcome him with open arms !
Agree with this, he looks a real talent and dare I say, similar to Viera.
Are people still blaming the Blackburn game?
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