Fergie and his decisions won't be untouchable forever. It should already be bleedingly obvious that he made a massive mistake with Pogba, whether it's because he didn't want to deal with Raiola or he didn't think Pogba was good enough. Either way, he cost United a hell of a player.
Would you take Pogba back?
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Of course yes, there would be no pb with him this time as after all he'll good enough to be an undisputed starter.
Sure, if he wanted to come back. Never understood why anyone would still be bitter, he made the right decision for his career.
Gonna be annoying if we bring up the topic every time he plays well though, he's gonna be around for a long time.
Gonna be annoying if we bring up the topic every time he plays well though, he's gonna be around for a long time.
Of course we should. Why wouldn't we, he'd be an automatic starter. Putting todays game aside he has been pretty good for Juve as well. Far far better than any option we have in CM bar Carrick.
Fergie didn't "let him go"
I can accept Ravel back, as we let him go for his own well being and development, but never Pogba. His attitude is terrible, he's only really in it for the money, he has said nothing but bad words about us and his agent is a corrupt bastard. Fergie was offering him first team football, and he left, so he doesn't want to play for us, and I for one would like it to stay that way.
What makes you say that, he left to play more plus we offered him MORE money than Juve. I agree that he has an agent who is a parasite.
I'd like to see how much he wanted it.
Well why the feck did he leave, when Fergie promised him he was going to get first team football? He really didn't have that good a season, and the blackburn game would have turned out no different even if he did play, how the hell does an 18 year old magically sort out an injury hit team? He only really came good last season, he wasn't putting in magical performances for us before hand, apart from the FA Youth Cup. Seriously, we have lost better players than him, and always recovered. I really don't like the pining and obsessing the caf has over him, its pathetic.
Spot on.
So you'd be happy to take the shithead who couldn't keep himself out of trouble to carve a career for himself at Man Utd but wouldn't take back the lad who had, as has since been proven to be well placed, confidence in his own ability?Odd.
I dont think starting Park and Rafael in CM in the league cup gave Pogba much faith that Fergie was offering him first team football either.
Utd missed a trick with Pogba... simple as that.
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We didn't miss anything, he wasn't GOOD enough at that time, and why should he show faith in an 18 year old who wasn't playing good enough to warrant a start in a game where we had crucial players out injured? Surely Anderson, who wasn't injured would be more angry. Why the feck is that match always used? Ravel isn't a shithead, not every person who ends up being influenced by a gang are evil chavs with no concscience. I had an uncle murdered because he was manipulated so easily by them.
He didn't want to stay here no doubt. Our fans just don't believe it when players want to play for others team, we still claim Ronaldo despite the fact that he will be remembered as Madrid legend now. He is a talent though Mitch, i'm sick of going over why/how he left. I rather we just comment on him as a player. I think because our midfield is screaming out for a player like him that he is such a topic. Once the midfield is up improved it will happen less.
Because pretty much all of us were scratching our heads at the time as to why we were staring a full back and Park in CM in a league cup game and not giving him a shot. Maybe Anderson was pissed off, but then maybe he played the next, or following, game... whats he got to do with it? That game gets brought up as, as far as I know, Pogba has since referenced it as the point he knew he'd be leaving.
I'm no major fan of Pogba, I hate that type of footballer but if he couldn't get a game in MF ahead of Rafael, in the CC, then I'm not surprised his head was turned. Thats leaving aside not getting him signed to a longer contract. How you can look at him, starting for Juve while we field Jones and Giggs in MF, and say we didn't miss a trick when he walked for free is taking red tinted to a new level.
Where did I call him an evil chav with no conscience
For the same reason that Moyes has trusted Januzaj this year. Age doesn't matter if you're good enough, and Pogba definitely was.
That game get mentioned many times because Pogba himself said that after that game he thought that SAF doesn't trust him and when Scholes returned his chances got reduced even more. He instantly became a regular in a team who has a superior midfield to us, so clearly he was good enough to start over Park and Rafael (and Cleverley and Ando if you want). By the way, we lost that game if you remember, and our midfield had something to do with it.
Pogba and Juve won here, we lost. If we can take back (unlikely) I would be happy. I don't care about Morrison personally, he looks to be as stupid as Balotelli so I don't think that he'll ever become that good. He hasn't shown anything so far to be on the level of Pogba and we are well stocked in his position.
Because there were only words. Fergie promised him first team football but didn't give him any chance. What does it matter if Fergie rated him when he had no intention of playing him?
He immediately became a regular and a key player in a club with equal status and quality to us. I don't think he did anything wrong for his career and I doubt that his career would have progressed so good if he would have stayed here and get overlooked everytime in favour of Scholes, Giggs, Cleverley, Anderson, Jones etc (put Rafael and Park if you want).
He did give him a chance, after that game he was given a series of games from the bench and played games in the cup. You are wrong in saying he wasn't given any chance whatsoever. Besides, Scholes nearly won us the league when he came back, it was like a breath of fresh air. Only pogba would be angry to ssee him back, besides Cleverley was better at that time and actually broke through the team based on merit, not because he expected to because he was in his 20s.
If Pogba's attitude is too bad for us to consider having him play for Man Utd again, then what about Rooney? Another player with a shithead agent, who wanted to leave, who felt SAF was treating him unfairly. Difference is Rooney was prevented from leaving (twice) while Pogba wasn't. Now that he's playing well all is suddenly forgotten. Why any difference with Pogba? If he came back and played brilliantly would people seriously regret us resigning him?
Bit rich for us to complain about the likes of Pogba and Tevez when (if he had been allowed to leave) Rooney would have been viewed in the same way by the majority of fans here.
Bit rich for us to complain about the likes of Pogba and Tevez when (if he had been allowed to leave) Rooney would have been viewed in the same way by the majority of fans here.
Alas Paul Pogba, we knew him so well.
Most of the people here it seems would whore us out for any good promising player, regardless of the players attitude.
Pogba made a total of 7 appearances for Utd.
I would've preferred if he'd been a bit more paitent too, but he's not a Utd fan. If Juve were promising him first team football (and a wad of cash), and the alternative was not playing at Utd (even in the CC) then I understand him moving. I obviously begrudge him. But the club fecked up, more by allowing him to get to a position where he could walk than limiting his playing time.
I don't see how Pogba is in the wrong. One club is offering you rotation in the first team and a nice salary, the other team is offering you reserve team football and probably a lower salary. Which do you choose? Pogba had every right to move and so far it's looking like the right choice.
Has anyone at the club ever said he had an attitude problem while he was here?
Having made 7 appearances, it's hardly a suggestion based on game time.
Considering he played like shit for the reserves that season, and it was speculated that it was because he was basically not interested in working hard and simply expected things handed to him, that's a pretty big attitude problem.
It's like Groundhog Day every time I enter this thread.
Nobody is in the wrong. He got his move and is doing well and we got rid of a player with a disruptive agent and a problem with SAF. Can't have every player who shows potential.
You said he had a bad attitude though. What attitude did he show?
edit: just saw your post above, that's purely speculation. Has anyone credible within the club come out and said that or is it just rumour mill stuff?
Nah he's shit
How is this even a question?
How is this even a question?
Fair play to the guy, he backed himself to get into the Juve first team despite them having Marchisio, Pirlo and Vidal and he has been vindicated.
If he returned then I would take him back .......... To Juventus.
Gutter press is saying City want him.
Try the other one, it's a delight.
Amazing footballer, would have him back in an instant. Fergie fecked up here but I guess we can console ourselves in the fact that we've lost better players and done alright.
A no brainer really. Can't believe anyone would argue otherwise. But that's the internet for you.
The issue I have with people saying "Fergie made a mistake" is that I don't recall that being the general consensus at the time.
We all wanted him to stay and we could all see that he had great potential, however when he left we all said his heart clearly wasn't for staying (maybe influenced by his agent), Fergie knew best and good riddance. Now he's putting in some great performances two years later and people want to have a go at Fergie for it?
The manager made a decision based on what he knew at the time - in fact, maybe Fergie tried his hardest to keep Pogba but he simply couldn't persuade him. At the end of the day, we've missed out on a good player; it's happened in the past and we will do again in the future. It certainly wasn't Fergie's "fault" in my opinion.
Of course, we'll never know what truly went on behind the scenes. Purely from the perspective of him being a great player, then yes I would take him back. You have to imagine that were we to bring him back in the next few years, then Moyes would ask Fergie about the circumstances surrounding Pogba leaving and would use the advice to make a decision. If that decision was to bring him back, then I would support that. On the other hand, if it was decided that he wasn't worth the hassle, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Same principle applies to Ravel Morrison too.
We all wanted him to stay and we could all see that he had great potential, however when he left we all said his heart clearly wasn't for staying (maybe influenced by his agent), Fergie knew best and good riddance. Now he's putting in some great performances two years later and people want to have a go at Fergie for it?
The manager made a decision based on what he knew at the time - in fact, maybe Fergie tried his hardest to keep Pogba but he simply couldn't persuade him. At the end of the day, we've missed out on a good player; it's happened in the past and we will do again in the future. It certainly wasn't Fergie's "fault" in my opinion.
Of course, we'll never know what truly went on behind the scenes. Purely from the perspective of him being a great player, then yes I would take him back. You have to imagine that were we to bring him back in the next few years, then Moyes would ask Fergie about the circumstances surrounding Pogba leaving and would use the advice to make a decision. If that decision was to bring him back, then I would support that. On the other hand, if it was decided that he wasn't worth the hassle, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Same principle applies to Ravel Morrison too.
I think even those on here who were backing Pogba could not have predicted that his career and performance would take off like it did at Juventus in such a short time. No point blaming anyone, Fergie was going with what he knew then.
But having said that, I think maybe that incident helped us to have a rethink on what kind of money we should pay a very talented young player even if he's not yet established in the first team. I believe Januzaj was paid way more than what was offered to Pogba in his recent contract. Paying an extra 10 or 20k a week so that we can properly assess a special young player for a couple more years, makes financial sense in the long run.
But having said that, I think maybe that incident helped us to have a rethink on what kind of money we should pay a very talented young player even if he's not yet established in the first team. I believe Januzaj was paid way more than what was offered to Pogba in his recent contract. Paying an extra 10 or 20k a week so that we can properly assess a special young player for a couple more years, makes financial sense in the long run.
Yeah, exactly. It's part of football, hundreds of players from the academy are let go etc, but because they're nto exactly "tearing it up" (sadly, in a position we're lacking
) no one ever mentions them. The thing about Pogba is - we wanted to keep him - we knew how talented he was but his attitude just wasn't right for someone at that pont of his development.The only mistake I think, in hindsight, SAF made was not playing Pogba in that Blackburn game. But considering his attitude up to that point, who's to say Pogba deserved to play - based on how he trained that week anyway?
So to answer, yeah I'd have him back of course but I'm not going to criticise SAF or the club for him leaving. It happens.
Anderson was still injured, that was his first game back from injury. And the same pogba started in juve's midfield in a few months time. Unless Juve coaches are so superior to ours that they could get a player who isnt ready for reserve team starring in one of the best midfields in europe, I would say he was ready at that time.
Use the Pogba thread in the Footy.
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