Woman accuses Cristiano Ronaldo of rape - CR7 case only

[4bars]

Oh shut it.

Nobody here condones a rapist. Let's not get ugly.

Oh, I am sure you don't condone a rapist. You just have a different concept of what is rape or not. And I am telling you. You are wrong. Your moral compass is simply broken

 

[Oldham]

Wasn't there some allegation(s) in his first years with us, which turned out to be nonsense?
I might be totally wrong thou...

 

[Brophs]

I just fail to see how a girl can come to my place, undress naked, sucks my dick, getting boned, without coercion and by tomorrow I'm a rapist.

If you see him as a rapist that deserves a jail time in that circumstances then it's your view.

It's not remotely difficult to understand. It's not Mastermind. You're not bound to go with your first answer. Their right to change their mind is more important than the other person's right to blow their wad, no matter how many times they say "I've started so I'll finish".

 

[4bars]

But that's the point. A woman is allowed to say no halfway and a man should stop. If that happens then there is no entrapment and accuse of rape because the man has stopped.

I wasn't debating that her saying no was in any way an invitation to continue.

I was making the point to Sky that its obvious when someone is having sex you don't just immediately stop within a split second, there is a process of asking the other person if they are ok (you are obviously not actively having sex at this point) and when she says no you do not continue and pull out or whatever if you haven't already. Regardless of the situation when someone says no you stop end of.​

Yes, I know,and you are right. I quoted you, but I was meaning that giving an explanation to Sky is irrelevant because she allegedly said no several times.

 

[KM]

If that statement is indeed true and not badly translated, then he's pretty much admitting that he raped that girl, isn't he?

 

[Vitro]

I just fail to see how a girl can come to my place, undress naked, sucks my dick, getting boned, without coercion and by tomorrow I'm a rapist.

If you see him as a rapist that deserves a jail time in that circumstances then it's your view.

Nah, it’s law. Consent can be withdrawn any time, under any circumstances. The withdrawal of consent must be followed by immediate cessation of sex. If this does not happen it is rape. End of.

 

[4bars]

I just fail to see how a girl can come to my place, undress naked, sucks my dick, getting boned, without coercion and by tomorrow I'm a rapist.

If you see him as a rapist that deserves a jail time in that circumstances then it's your view.

Are you brittish?

If so, this video might help you

 

[jeff_goldblum]

In his own words as reported, he's guilty as hell. He's said himself he committed rape, as has the only other witness to the event. It's perfectly possible that the court system will fail to convict, they might even fail to prosecute, but that doesn't change the fact that the evidence all points to the fact it happened and it definitely doesn't make him innocent.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

If that statement is indeed true and not badly translated, then he's pretty much admitting that he raped that girl, isn't he?

Is it not strange to admit that in an NDA? I thought NDA's were used to prevent a party from going public with allegations.

Him admitting it in a statement endorsed by his Solicitors, to me is pretty much saying I'm guilty but telling her to keep hush for $. Most people I assume would deny it and pay to prevent that person from going further with it.

 

[Skills]

I thought we would've learned from the Ched Evans case that there's nothing to be gained by speculating on these cases, and it's better to just wait for the legal authorities to do their job before taking sides/vilifying either party.

 

[KM]

Is it not strange to admit that in an NDA? I thought NDA's were used to prevent a party from going public with allegations.

Him admitting it in a statement endorsed by his Solicitors, to me is pretty much saying I'm guilty but telling her to keep hush for $. Most people I assume would deny it and pay to prevent that person from going further with it.

Forget court case etc for a moment, I'm just talking generally. It seems he did rape the girl(by his own admission) unless I'm horribly missing something.

 

[KM]

I thought we would've learned from the Ched Evans case that there's nothing to be gained by speculating on these cases, and it's better to just wait for the legal authorities to do their job before taking sides/vilifying either party.

Difference is that Evans was always arguing for his innocence no matter how fecked up that was, Ronaldo(again I'm stressing if that translation is correct) seems to be saying that he did rape the girl.

 

[Scarecrow]

Is it not strange to admit that in an NDA? I thought NDA's were used to prevent a party from going public with allegations.

Him admitting it in a statement endorsed by his Solicitors, to me is pretty much saying I'm guilty but telling her to keep hush for $. Most people I assume would deny it and pay to prevent that person from going further with it.

He doesn't admit it in the NDA, from my understanding. It was an answer to a question by his own lawyers, in a private email conversation.

 

[4bars]

I thought we would've learned from the Ched Evans case that there's nothing to be gained by speculating on these cases, and it's better to just wait for the legal authorities to do their job before taking sides/vilifying either party.

Is not about gain or not. We are on a forum to discus. If we can't discuss what is the point on being in a forum? Whatever we say here will have 0 effect on this case. And I like to say my piece and say "I told you so" and hide in the shadows if I am wrong.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

He doesn't admit it in the NDA, from my understanding. It was an answer to a question by his own lawyers, in a private email conversation.

My bad, got confused.

 

[sullydnl]

If that statement is indeed true and not badly translated, then he's pretty much admitting that he raped that girl, isn't he?

Hard to think of any other way "she said no and stop several times", "she said that she didn't want to" and "she kept saying 'no don't do it'" could be interpreted. I mean at one point he even clarifies "She didn't complain about it being brutal. She complained that I forced her."

If that's an accurate statement (massive, massive, massive if) then there's not exactly room for doubt by his description, let alone hers.

 

[KM]

Hard to think of any other way "she said no and stop several times", "she said that she didn't want to" and "she kept saying 'no don't do it'" could be interpreted. I mean at one point he even clarifies "She didn't complain about it being brutal. She complained that I forced her."

If that's an accurate statement (massive, massive, massive if) then there's not exactly room for doubt by his description, let alone hers.

Yep. Let's wait for Portuguese and multiple sources back it up.

 

[The Firestarter]

How was that conversation acquired by the media?

 

[fellaini's barber]

It was a shit post, but 'throw up'? Really?

Wait till at least more information comes before all the defense and white knighting ffs

This is my second and third post in the thread, third post addressing both people defending Cristiano and those already judging him to wait for more details. But I guess you are getting all emotional because you didn't notice I refered to those defending Cristiano too and feel I'm not showing enough outrage with the other white knights hence the outburst and ban threat. Ban away.

 

[Barca84]

Some of you guys are actually sick

Yes they are.

This sort of news, and the following discussion, really sorts the wheat from the chaff and feck me there's a lot of chaff in here. No surprise. As a bloke you become aware early on that there's a lot of blokes who are truly vile.

Ties in neatly with current proceedings in the states actually.

 

[SirAF]

IF this is true, depending on translation and validity etc, then he’s obviously a scumbag and should do hard time. However, due process should be made, and then we’ll see what to make of it.

 

[Vidyoyo]

This is my second and third post in the thread, third post addressing both people defending Cristiano and those already judging him to wait for more details. But I guess you are getting all emotional because you didn't notice I refered to those defending Cristiano too and feel I'm not showing enough outrage with the other white knights hence the outburst and ban threat. Ban away.

You're not alone. There's some genuine posts about how Ronaldo's defence suggests an admission of rape but otherwise just a lot of polarised views.

I'm keen to know more about the NDA myself. I also imagine the modern day culture of #metoo may have allowed the girl to feel more comfortably coming forward if there's any truth behind it. It seems like she made a call to the police on the day of the incident, but never went further. Is that because she didn't feel like people would believe her or because she needed/wanted the money instead? There's a lot of speculation to be speculated.

 

[christy87]

He doesn't admit it in the NDA, from my understanding. It was an answer to a question by his own lawyers, in a private email conversation.

How did they get the emails off of his lawyers, seems a bit strange

 

[Moby]

How did they get the emails off of his lawyers, seems a bit strange

Leaked.

 

[Scarecrow]

How did they get the emails off of his lawyers, seems a bit strange

Der Spiegel are tight with Football Leaks. How the latter get their info, I don't know. Probably hacking, although they've been investigated for blackmail and extortion in the past.

 

[Raoul]

Sounds like Ronnie is some serious legal jeopardy here, as the Spiegel article's depiction of events certainly meets the definition of rape in Nevada.

 

[maniak]

She is guilty to be a slut he is thinking. Put his daughter/sister/loved one in the equation and sure change the outcome.

We still so many generations afar for women to feel safe if people from 1st world still think like that

And don't we unfortunately in the iberian peninsula know this. I've followed that gang rape case in Madrid and how justice reacted to it. Here in Portugal a couple of guys were released after raping a passed-out woman because apparently she flirted with them before.

These outrageous reactions we see in messageboards or newspaper comment sections are shared by a lot of judges. Sickening.

I hope this case is a misunderstanding, I think it would hurt the soul of our country if we found Ronaldo is a rapist.

 

[Brwned]

Well.. if she's gettingnpissed and not seeing me again tomorrow i can understand. But if she comes with a court summon for rape? I'll be feeling kinda mugged.

Let's put ourselves in ronaldo's shoe. Set aside how rich he is. The girl is attracted to him, so much she wants to go to his apartment getting naked and all that. And by tomorrow you got a court case of being accused a rapist? Seriously?

Nobody forced the girl to come to his apartment, and unless ronaldo uses some coercion to make her come to his place and further coerce her to undress and starts a sexual intercourse both party is consenting one another.

If this is the case most woman can say no halfway and they'll bound to get someone to accuse of raping them.

Some common sense, you offer your body to this guy and when he took the offer you call the police? That's entrapment to me.

It's that simple misconception that's making it a struggle for you to grasp why that is legally rape.

She didn't offer her body to him. It wasn't his to do with as he pleases once she got naked and all that.

 

[sullydnl]

And don't we unfortunately in the iberian peninsula know this. I've followed that gang rape case in Madrid and how justice reacted to it. Here in Portugal a couple of guys were released after raping a passed-out woman because apparently she flirted with them before.

These outrageous reactions we see in messageboards or newspaper comment sections are shared by a lot of judges. Sickening.

I hope this case is a misunderstanding, I think it would hurt the soul of our country if we found Ronaldo is a rapist.

I think it would hurt the soul of football too.

 

[maniak]

I think it would hurt the soul of football too.

True, but we being a small peripheral country with not many things to be proud of recently, football is kind of our escape from the harshness of life. Finding our idol is a rapist would be a big blow.

 

[Member 109952]

Personally I think it's a bit mad for Ronaldo to deny rape and at the same time say "She said no and stop several times."

I'm thinking there's been a big translation issue from the Portugese to the English/German. I'd be surprised if the context wasn't that they stopped multiple times during intercourse, but without the actual original document it's all conjecture.

 

[maniak]

Personally I think it's a bit mad for Ronaldo to deny rape and at the same time say "She said no and stop several times."

I'm thinking there's been a big translation issue from the Portugese to the English/German. I'd be surprised if the context wasn't that they stopped multiple times during intercourse, but without the actual original document it's all conjecture.

Those lawyers would be the worst ever if they allowed him to say it.

 

[Fortitude]

Legal people: how can headway be made in a case like this that has been blasted all over the media?

What would be the next steps in procedure, and aren't all aspects of a NDA inadmissible?

 

[matherto]

This is my second and third post in the thread, third post addressing both people defending Cristiano and those already judging him to wait for more details. But I guess you are getting all emotional because you didn't notice I refered to those defending Cristiano too and feel I'm not showing enough outrage with the other white knights hence the outburst and ban threat. Ban away.

Whilst you're not wrong about the actual story in that we should wait for it to be confirmed and investigated, most of the discussion has been on what counts as rape or not and was nearly started by some idiot claiming that Ronaldo couldn't possibly rape anyone because he's a good looking bloke, rich and famous.

It's obvious from their posts that some people in here have no clue what counts as rape or not and from what we've seen, poorly translated or not, it appears neither does Cristiano.

I think it's quite healthy and not at all white knighting to suggest that consent can change at any given time and educate people into how and why it might happen, if nothing else it might save you or Sky or whoever from being accused of raping someone if you're actually aware of it.

But I know what you're like as a poster and you're a stubborn fecker so carry on calling us white knights/SJWs/libtards/etc like you've done in the past.

 

[Member 109952]

Those lawyers would be the worst ever if they allowed him to say it.

Reading a reddit thread on it says the actual quotes in Portugese are: "Nesse mesmo documento, o jogador é citado a dizer: “Ela disse que não e parou várias vezes”.

Which to quote the poster says translates as:

"She said that it wasn't and she stopped many times" That could mean she was ok with it (anal sex) and she stopped many times ( maybe because of the pain)

or

"She said no and she stopped many times"

But never (according to the Portuguese version) "She said no and stop several times".

 

[maniak]

To be honest without context it's impossible to know for sure from those quotes. But yes, "parou" is past, so it would be "stopped", never "stop".

 

[bpet15]

I thought we would've learned from the Ched Evans case that there's nothing to be gained by speculating on these cases, and it's better to just wait for the legal authorities to do their job before taking sides/vilifying either party.

That’s entirely boring though. No hashtagging, no public shaming, no playing moral arbiter on the internet. What a shit life that would be.

 

[MJJ]

Sounds like Ronnie is some serious legal jeopardy here, as the Spiegel article's depiction of events certainly meets the definition of rape in Nevada.

If the conversation is with his lawyers and his email was hacked, would he still be in legal trouble? Won't the evidence be inadmissible?

 

[matherto]

For the point that 'you don't just immediately stop' that some people seem to think as impossible during sex.

Well no, as in, it wouldn't be instant within a millisecond but it wouldn't take much longer and thus still pretty much 'immediately'.

Do people not communicate in bed or pick up on someone not verbalising it but perhaps with body language going from 'into it' to 'really not'?

It doesn't take long to communicate between two consenting people that things aren't happening or that they don't want to do it.

Ordinary people hear that/see it and stop, perhaps there's an argument afterwards if you're feeling particularly horny and you'll probably be pissed off, who knows? But you don't carry on when it's impossibly clear that they're not consenting anymore, you sure as hell don't stick it in her arse when she won't play ball.

That's rape. Plain and simple.

The fact that someone IS rich, famous, good looking, always surrounded by women etc gives them a power over people and they're aware of it, doubly so if they're narcissistic and can't understand the concept of 'no' from anyone in any situation. You'd think however that they might be aware of how easily their lives could be ruined even by a genuinely fake story, let alone a real one and they'd exercise caution. Powerful people thinking with their dicks get away with too much already.

Now we'll wait and see what comes of this story and we'll find out if it's true or not and then we can debate on Cristiano afterwards but I never thought I'd see people not understanding the concept of consent and how it can change purely because they've already gotten someone into bed so surely they wanted it. Jesus christ, entitled much? It's that type of thinking that makes incels think women owe them sex and leads to women feeling like they can't say no for fear of retribution. Shits fecked up.

 

[Jippy]

Sounds like Ronnie is some serious legal jeopardy here, as the Spiegel article's depiction of events certainly meets the definition of rape in Nevada.

Or pretty much in any jurisdiction with reasonable rule of law. Hope it's not true for both of their sake.