The 2nd post in this thread is literally 'it can't be rape if you are fit and famous'.
Go tell that to any woman, I'm pretty sure you'd earn a slap or two.
Woman accuses Cristiano Ronaldo of rape - CR7 case only
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Go tell that to any woman, I'm pretty sure you'd earn a slap or two.
Some posts are shocking. @Trizy posted something terrible and tried to laugh it off
It is a matter of appreciation.
Yep. That's the problem.
I would say I was fairly disgusted reading that, the physical reaction is subjective.
For now I'm assuming that the translation of that piece to English has really garbled his alleged statement as it sounds really, really bad as is.
I understand, if he's found guilty he should be condemned and rightly so. I just find the public condemnation of guilt to be jarring, especially reading reddit on r/soccer where everyone's basically accepted his guilt. It's not a new case, it's been to court, a couple of unverified leaks shouldn't destroy a person's professional career as many seem to want. I'm just personally very skeptical about passing judgement on these cases unless we know the full details or they've been to court, especially when it comes to famous people. A lot of public figures are guilty, but equally a lot of them have been found innocent after long and arduous court proceedings.
I was laughing at my own ignorance, not the alleged incident. Also there is no verdict out, it's an accusation not a sentence. But thanks for trying to put a spin on my post to make it look like I was laughing at a victim.
For anyone I've offended, I apologize. Was not my intention.
Why hasn't this picked up traction?
Is it relevant if the woman is American ?
You should probably educate yourself about what rape is and what drives people to do it at the same time.
People don't rape because they can't get people to sleep with them. To take an extreme example, Ted Bundy was a charming, handsome, intelligent man who had a wife when he raped (and murdered) dozens of women. He didn't do it because he was the lonely man at the bar that couldn't get someone to give him a kiss.
Is that what it says @BarcaSpurs ? My comment looks terrible now that I didn't read it first.
Your comment was disgusting whether or not you read it first. The fact that your instant reaction is to not believe the victim instead of thinking 'I should probably look a little into this to before I make up my mind', educating yourself or doing even the tiniest bit of research into the case is the exact reason that people don't report rapes these days. It's not a laughing matter either.
Not necessarily, but eventually her nationality was going to be reported anyway, right?
It just an odd thing to include in the title. Just as "Woman accuses Portuguese footballer of rape" would be.
Well, after seeing so many movies where the characters says "I m an American citizen" in a foreign country to get treated differently (I don't imagine someone " I am a Namibian citizen), Maybe? I guess is really in all our subconscious that American citizen is fancier thanks to mainstream blockbusters.
Doesn't look good for ronaldo. Didn't look good for Kobe Bryant neither. And look at him
No, but it was written that way in the news article hence I put the thread title.
Ahh ok....no worries.
No you were right, I'm removing the American part. Nationality doesn't matter.
Sounds highly biased from your POV, even an undertone of sexism too. Incredibly cynical and judgemental of rape/sexual abuse survivors first and foremost. Standard response from someone who doesn't have a clue but is probably a Ronaldo fan so wants to make a post. I could be wrong and maybe you don't even like Ronaldo but it's sad to hear this type of utter bollocks thrown out there with no thought. Obviously it's the victim's fault and never the fault of the one accused, ever, right?
Whilst I fully agree that some people will take advantage of the current upswing in actually fecking listening to people when they finally get the courage to come out with what happened to them, it's some of the worst of human nature to try and extort things and jump on a genuine bandwagon for their own selfish ends but by that same token, there'll be many more still utterly terrified, bottling it up because of attitudes like yours.
Every person's brain is wired differently to everyone else. Trauma is intensely complicated and manifests itself completely uniquely to each individual and your attitude screams 'why didn't they report it when it happened?' as if people wouldn't have completely derided them and accused them of false accusations like you're doing now. People living with real trauma have to live with societal expectations to keep quiet because they'll never be believed as it's still our default setting not to believe them when it's against someone famous/powerful and bottle things up. Bottling things up is the worst thing we do to ourselves because eventually it comes out in all manner of ways. Encouraging people to talk and be accepted for stuff like this means less people bottle it up and more victims get justice. Yes we'll have a fair few that lied and ruin someone's life but that's the price we pay for generally being an awful species to each other. It's acceptable collateral damage if not still maddening if it means we as a society learn to allow victims the common decency of a fair say about their experience and don't immediately call them a liar.
Who gives a feck if you worked hard your entire life if you're a rapist? Mentioning all the bollocks about your imaginary scenario just suggests that certain people shouldn't be accused of rape because they've earnt a pass almost.
I'm a Ronaldo fan, I don't want to believe he's a rapist but given he's used to privilege, he's a narcissist and he knows most women and a fair chunk of men either want to feck him or be him, it wouldn't surprise me if he couldn't grasp a woman saying no to him. I'm not saying this happened but if Ronaldo has said that she said no multiple times then he's done himself in there.
IIRC wasn't he accused of rape back in about 2005/2006 too? Or am I getting him mixed up with Johnny Evans or RVP or some other footballer that's been accused of rape?
If there is proof of him admitting to her saying no, he's fecked.. and would deserve it too.
Without some real evidence, I'm not buying it.. not that my opinion matters.
Without some real evidence, I'm not buying it.. not that my opinion matters.
You've lost the plot.
Going back to the topic - can someone summarise for us?
He had sex with a woman (American is all we know about her) and even he acknowledges she said no?
Edit :ignore me I assumed the German article wouldn't be in English but it is
He had sex with a woman (American is all we know about her) and even he acknowledges she said no?
Edit :ignore me I assumed the German article wouldn't be in English but it is
There's some horrid comments on here.
I'd like a better translation before commenting on the story. I wouldn't read too much into an NDA either way.
Let's hear both sides of the story with a decent translation and stop with the victim blaming and stories of false rape allegations.
Yes false allegations do occur but let's hear both sides before trying to influence either way.
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Having found the original article I have to say that sounds very bad. If it's true it should end his career as he should do serious time.
I'd like a better translation before commenting on the story. I wouldn't read too much into an NDA either way.
Let's hear both sides of the story with a decent translation and stop with the victim blaming and stories of false rape allegations.
Yes false allegations do occur but let's hear both sides before trying to influence either way.
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Having found the original article I have to say that sounds very bad. If it's true it should end his career as he should do serious time.
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No means no, people.
You could've shortened that considerably by saying the MeToo movement gives the people within that movement more power. That's all this is.
Some people abuse power. Rapists, for example. Not just physical power but social and political power. It would be ideal if no-one abused power, but in the absence of that ideal, to witness this movement and come to the conclusion that this new empowerment of the oppressed group is the problem worth talking about is outrageous. If that's really your core belief rather than just "playing devil's advocate" then you should seriously re-examine the facts borne out of the movement.
Even if you were to take the position that this is all a big exaggeration, the masses of women claiming to be molested are completely lying, and the historical power imbalance has not in any way led to one group overwhelming being the victims of all elements of rape, from the event to the allegation. Or instead you think that it has brought to light a huge societal problem that disproportionately effected a particular group, but it's all water under the bridge.
Even if you somehow arrive at that stage, the idea that a victim of a false rape allegation should be seen as an equivalent to the victim of rape, is totally absurd. If that isn't your view then surely you should be more concerned about eradicating rape than rape allegations. If we accept that the world is imperfect and both character assassination and rape will continue to be a problem, and the best we can do is create some kind of shift in the distribution of those events while maintaining the same volume of events...surely it's better if it shifts away from rape.
The only reason I could think otherwise is if you somehow believe that either a) more people talking about and reporting rape will not actually have any impact on rape, which seems at odds with the basic idea of criminal justice, or b) you think hordes of women are just going to start throwing out rape allegations bevause they can, and in far higher numbers than the number of rapes which are never criminally prosecuted...which isn't supported by any of the limited facts we have on what has been established as a largely hidden problem.
False allegations exists. And even if it is hard for me lately to follow presumption of innocence with powerful man, I make an effort
What it is impossible for me to accept, is that someone is innocent when they sign a NDA.
Hush moment is for a reason. I don't believe Trump, I didn't believe Asa Argento (and it all indicates that it happened) and I don't believe CR.
You don't go throwing 300.000 dollars on hush money just because... If not, all the women that had sleep with CR, that had been a lot, could try it easily and he would run out on money in less than a month
What it is impossible for me to accept, is that someone is innocent when they sign a NDA.
Hush moment is for a reason. I don't believe Trump, I didn't believe Asa Argento (and it all indicates that it happened) and I don't believe CR.
You don't go throwing 300.000 dollars on hush money just because... If not, all the women that had sleep with CR, that had been a lot, could try it easily and he would run out on money in less than a month
The reason people pay hush money is to not have negative headlines associated with their brand. That matters especially when a person is self made or their name is their brand.
I don't think Cristiano raped anyone not because he is rich and fit but because I haven't seen anything to believe he has a violent bone in his body.
It's an interesting descriptor.
On one hand you could say it's an "Innocent" extra bit of detail, as "woman" doesn't say a lot.
To the more cynical mind, the use of the word "American", a country famous for the suing culture, and vast wealth, it leads you to the opinion it's a false allegation to cash in.
I'm just glad no one has tried to lighten the mood by saying fate is determined to stop him playing at Old Trafford in a few weeks, first that red card, and now this!
Ah, but does it mean that in Friends, or Big Bang, or even Only Fools and Horses once we take away the laughing track?
Because that's what counts.
It doesn't take many false allegations to completely sully someone for life. We've all heard those smug people with their "no smoke without fire" stuff.
He "May" just have been advised by lawyers to avoid a lengthy court case and get her out of his hair.
Hopefully it's not more sinister, as that's a horrible thing to consider.
I don't watch any of those programs so I can't really comment, but when a person says no you stop trying to put your cock in them for a while. Laugh track or no laugh track.
Well, my two cents for what I've read so far, and the version I think it's most plausible.
Ronaldo and the girl had a consented sexual exchange via classical coitus, then, at some point, seems like Ronnie wanted to take the back door in the ride, and the woman said no, Ronnie, horny as a monkey maybe ignored it and forced his way into backyard boulevard while his partber said "no" and "stop". Ronaldo didn't care, finished what he was doing, saw he commited a mistake by not respecting the will of his partner and asked for forgiveness because he "lost himself" in the moment. Then they signed a NDA that basically covered what happened in the manner I just said.
Now, the girl wants to pursue charges because she may not risk herself like she thought would 9 years ago and they have that document where Ronaldo, allegedly, admits that he did something that his partner required him to stop doing.
Don’t know about Johnny Evans, but there were allegations against both Cristiano and RVP back then, but both cases were dismissed. That accusation against RVP was the reason for the “She said no, Robin” song that was sung at him by opposition fans.
If accurate it’s a bizarre and remarkable statement by Ronaldo, has he broken down and confessed or something. I don’t quite follow why he would hang himself like that?
Jonny Evans was accused around that time too.
A significant number of men don't know that it is rape if they say no.
Well, the last sentence is irrelevant. How many people could say that from white comedy star Bill Cosby
Its like that sentence always pronounced when the police comes to retain someone and the reported check the neighbours " It was such a good person" and they were their neighbours, you don't know him at all.
I understand how hush money works. But why not everybody does it? it would be easy money! "Hey CR, give me money or I sue you". We are not talking about $1000 we are talking almost $400.000
That makes no sense. NDAs for the most part deny guilt.
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