Woman accuses Cristiano Ronaldo of rape - CR7 case only

[GeorgieBoy]

By a very strict and draconian interpretation of the law.

But if she indeed goes to his apartment, getting cozy and naked and ended up being penetrated for a while, while not being restraint and held down. I think that's consensual sex. She might regret it halway or changes her mind but i don't think the male should get a full brunt of being labelled a rapist and jail time.

I mean seriously, you coming to a guy you just met, getting naked and all that. And the guy is called a rapist?

I don't condone rape or any kind, but this sort of things is full of gray

You sort of just have though. If someone says stop halfway through; but the other person continues IT IS RAPE!
How is that hard to comprehend?

 

[4bars]

Of course the report doesn't get that deep, I've been saying all this are speculations in my head of what could've happened, because we obviously don't have the big picture anywhere, otherwise this would be ready to judge and Ronaldo waiting for a trial.

I'm not positioning about if it was rape or not, it's not my job to do that thankfully. I'm just saying that even if what Ronaldo committed is proved to be rape, and still deserves a punishment and the woman a retribution, it's not as simple as something binary were he either is an angel of a demon.

Oh i know. And nobody knows but them. We are all speculating. Some more imclined to one side, others to the other. Some more balanced

 

[Sigma]

I would be really sad if this were true. I liked Ronaldo a lot when he was with United. Hopefully its investigated and if its true, justice done.

 

[Sky1981]

You sort of just have though. If someone says stop halfway through; but the other person continues IT IS RAPE!
How is that hard to comprehend?

I see intention. Like every crime there has to be motives and intention. And ronaldo by what little i read didnt strike me as someone who intent to rape.

There will be time when the women is deceived, drugged, threaten, and even when she doesnt say anything I'd still call it a rape.

And There's 375k hush money. A real rape victim wont ask for money, they'd ask for justice. They wont talk to lawyer, they'll go to the police the next day.

 

[maniak]

I would be really sad if this were true. I liked Ronaldo a lot when he was with United. Hopefully its investigated and if its true, justice done.

True, many "haters" would like it to be true, but he has so many fans and he's a role model for many, it would be really sad.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

By a very strict and draconian interpretation of the law.

But if she indeed goes to his apartment, getting cozy and naked and ended up being penetrated for a while, while not being restraint and held down. I think that's consensual sex. She might regret it halway or changes her mind but i don't think the male should get a full brunt of being labelled a rapist and jail time.

I mean seriously, you coming to a guy you just met, getting naked and all that. And the guy is called a rapist?

I don't condone rape or any kind, but this sort of things is full of gray

I think saying no to someone is about as black and white it can be. Going to someones apartment, getting cozy, naked and have consensual sex is fine but the second she says no, you stop.

 

[Ishdalar]

Oh i know. And nobody knows but them. We are all speculating. Some more imclined to one side, others to the other. Some more balanced

Yeah, I mean if I'm in a relationship with someone and she says no, then I stop and that's it, there's always time for her for a "Oh, but keep going, It wasn't that kind of no" and nothing has been lost, better safe than sorry.

But for someone like Ronaldo, who, as far as we know, could've been in relationship with people who would do anything he pleases just because he's Ronaldo, the moment he confronts a no for maybe the first time in his life on a sexual intercourse, he may be able to think he can get away with it as something without importance.

It's important, and it's a crime, but I consider it in the terms of 1st degree murder vs voluntary manslaughter.

 

[matherto]

I see intention. Like every crime there has to be motives and intention. And ronaldo by what little i read didnt strike me as someone who intent to rape.

There will be time when the women is deceived, drugged, threaten, and even when she doesnt say anything I'd still call it a rape.

It's really, really simple.

They may both have gone into the room with the intention of having sex. At some point, the woman seemingly driven by Ronaldo's behaviour through the night and during the act, decided she didn't want to anymore. Once she decided that and communicated it with Ronaldo, if he carried on then he's raped her.

Carrying on when you hear someone tell you not to is an intention.

Similarly if he's gone into the bathroom where she is and tried to get her to touch/suck his cock and she clearly didn't want to then it's sexual assault. Often (certainly did during all the Kavanaugh stuff) you'll hear stories from poor women that have decided to consent to a blowjob or handjob with the hope that it stops there for fear of things getting much worse for them, feeling like they've got no option to offer something for fear of much worse later on, that's driven by behaviour like that described in the bathroom.

 

[The Cat]

This is all speculation don't understand how there are so many experts taking sides at this point.

 

[Sky1981]

I think saying no to someone is about as black and white it can be. Going to someones apartment, getting cozy, naked and have consensual sex is fine but the second she says no, you stop.

Man arent robots btw. If a woman is on top of you and you say stop not every woman can suddenly switch off and pull out.

Anyone who has sex would know it's not that simple. Your brain takes time to compute things, and at that time you feel like you're doing nothing wrong, it was a consensual sex at first. At best you'd ask what's the matter? You dont simply pull out just like that.

 

[GeorgieBoy]

This is all speculation don't understand how there are so many experts taking sides at this point.

Haven't seen many people take sides in fairness. Most of the conversation here has been about the strange statement by Ronaldo and what people constitute rape. Nobody here is pointing the finger.

 

[KirkDuyt]

He's handsome he doesnt have to rape people.

This defense is so fecking ridicilous as if the fact he looks good means all women at all times are willing to feck him.

I havent read the article, but come on, tgats an absurd take on life.

 

[4bars]

Yeah, I mean if I'm in a relationship with someone and she says no, then I stop and that's it, there's always time for her for a "Oh, but keep going, It wasn't that kind of no" and nothing has been lost, better safe than sorry.

But for someone like Ronaldo, who, as far as we know, could've been in relationship with people who would do anything he pleases just because he's Ronaldo, the moment he confronts a no for maybe the first time in his life on a sexual intercourse, he may be able to think he can get away with it as something without importance.

It's important, and it's a crime, but I consider it in the terms of 1st degree murder vs voluntary manslaughter.

Im sorry but i dont agree with that. Because that is something that he would never be able to prove and is in his head and EVERYONE could say the same. "Sorry, i thought she was playful because i had previous playful sexusl relationships". That and that is not an excuse. No one in their right mind would risk it on the first encounter with a person that you jyst adquanted

 

[sullydnl]

By a very strict and draconian interpretation of the law.

But if she indeed goes to his apartment, getting cozy and naked and ended up being penetrated for a while, while not being restraint and held down. I think that's consensual sex. She might regret it halway or changes her mind but i don't think the male should get a full brunt of being labelled a rapist and jail time.

I mean seriously, you coming to a guy you just met, getting naked and all that. And the guy is called a rapist?

I don't condone rape or any kind, but this sort of things is full of gray

If you're having sex with someone, they say they want the sex to stop but you continue anyway, then you've commited rape. There's nothing "draconian" about it, it's a clear cut real world example of rape. Have you somehow missed decades of anti-rape campaigns making this exact point? It's weird that I even have to write that first sentence, it should be a given.

 

[Sky1981]

It's really, really simple.

They may both have gone into the room with the intention of having sex. At some point, the woman seemingly driven by Ronaldo's behaviour through the night and during the act, decided she didn't want to anymore. Once she decided that and communicated it with Ronaldo, if he carried on then he's raped her.

Carrying on when you hear someone tell you not to is an intention.

Similarly if he's gone into the bathroom where she is and tried to get her to touch/suck his cock and she clearly didn't want to then it's sexual assault. Often (certainly did during all the Kavanaugh stuff) you'll hear stories from poor women that have decided to consent to a blowjob or handjob with the hope that it stops there for fear of things getting much worse for them, feeling like they've got no option to offer something for fear of much worse later on, that's driven by behaviour like that described in the bathroom.

Well.. if she's gettingnpissed and not seeing me again tomorrow i can understand. But if she comes with a court summon for rape? I'll be feeling kinda mugged.

Let's put ourselves in ronaldo's shoe. Set aside how rich he is. The girl is attracted to him, so much she wants to go to his apartment getting naked and all that. And by tomorrow you got a court case of being accused a rapist? Seriously?

Nobody forced the girl to come to his apartment, and unless ronaldo uses some coercion to make her come to his place and further coerce her to undress and starts a sexual intercourse both party is consenting one another.

If this is the case most woman can say no halfway and they'll bound to get someone to accuse of raping them.

Some common sense, you offer your body to this guy and when he took the offer you call the police? That's entrapment to me.

 

[4bars]

Well.. if she's gettingnpissed and not seeing me again tomorrow i can understand. But if she comes with a court summon for rape? I'll be feeling kinda mugged.

Let's put ourselves in ronaldo's shoe. Set aside how rich he is. The girl is attracted to him, so much she wants to go to his apartment getting naked and all that. And by tomorrow you got a court case of being accused a rapist? Seriously?

Nobody forced the girl to come to his apartment, and unless ronaldo uses some coercion to make her come to his place and further coerce her to undress and starts a sexual intercourse both party is consenting one another.

If this is the case most woman can say no halfway and they'll bound to get someone to accuse of raping them.

Some common sense, you offer your body to this guy and when he took the offer you call the police? That's entrapment to me.

Disgusting

 

[maniak]

If this is the case most woman can say no halfway and they'll bound to get someone to accuse of raping them.

Not if the guy stops. If he doesn't, then how would you classify it?

 

[Neo_Mufc]

Man arent robots btw. If a woman is on top of you and you say stop not every woman can suddenly switch off and pull out.

Anyone who has sex would know it's not that simple. Your brain takes time to compute things, and at that time you feel like you're doing nothing wrong, it was a consensual sex at first. At best you'd ask what's the matter? You dont simply pull out just like that.

I agree. I understand that the time taken for Ronaldo to stop would not have been within a split second of her saying no.

E.g She would say no, then it would probably take Ronaldo a couple of seconds to acknowledge then then ask her are you ok?

Then his brain has obviously/or should switch and she will say I don't want to and he pulls out. That takes about 5-10 secs.

 

[4bars]

Not if the guy stops. If he doesn't, then how would you classify it?

She is guilty to be a slut he is thinking. Put his daughter/sister/loved one in the equation and sure change the outcome.

We still so many generations afar for women to feel safe if people from 1st world still think like that

 

[Sky1981]

Disgusting

Nope. A man's integrity and well being is on the line here.

Just as the girl's.

That's all. People were too quick to condemn ronaldo for being wrong without considering the peculiar situation. Not even a shred of doubt. Nope. Ronaldo's a rapist. Just because she says no.

 

[fellaini's barber]

Wait till at least more information comes before all the defense and white knighting ffs

 

[4bars]

I agree. I understand that the time taken for Ronaldo to stop would not have been within a split second of her saying no.

E.g She would say no, then it would probably take Ronaldo a couple of seconds to acknowledge then then ask her are you ok?

Then his brain has obviously/or should switch and she will say I don't want to and he pulls out. That takes about 5-10 secs.

I think i read she said no repetitly in her allegation? If true, pretty clear imo

 

[4bars]

Nope. A man's integrity and well being is on the line here.

Just as the girl's.

That's all. People were too quick to condemn ronaldo for being wrong without considering the peculiar situation. Not even a shred of doubt. Nope. Ronaldo's a rapist. Just because she says no.

No mate. You are justifying rape, not if cr did or not.

She has to provd that she said no midway and he continued. With that we can agree.

What is disgusting and i will not agree with you is that you dont consider rape if she said no halfway and he continued

 

[Ishdalar]

Im sorry but i dont agree with that. Because that is something that he would never be able to prove and is in his head and EVERYONE could say the same. "Sorry, i thought she was playful because i had previous playful sexusl relationships". That and that is not an excuse. No one in their right mind would risk it on the first encounter with a person that you jyst adquanted

Well, I understand that opinion, and I think most people would think like that. But as you said it's one thing to have the idea that he's lying or can be used as an excuse in every similar situation, and another to think that because it can happen AND used as an excuse, we can't disregard the notion of someone commiting an error that leads to a crime due to circumstances of his life.

Legally, and more important, for the woman that was victim of the agression, it makes little difference if he did it willingly or because he misunderstood the situation, and he'll pay the price of the law as if he did it willingly anyway (or should). But for us, the public opinion, we could understand that what he did might not be an act of malice, even if he's judged by that basis.

 

[Sky1981]

She is guilty to be a slut he is thinking. Put his daughter/sister/loved one in the equation and sure change the outcome.

We still so many generations afar for women to feel safe if people from 1st world still think like that

If my daughter or sister knowingly and happily follows a celebrity to his place without being conned, coerced, get to the point where they engage in a sexual intercourse, and this happens I'd say it's a bad chemistry at worst. No where is the man attempts to rape you.

And on the flip of the coin what if your brother/son getting a one nite stand where he didn't take off his penis after some time and he got a court case and being accused as a rapist?

 

[matherto]

Well.. if she's gettingnpissed and not seeing me again tomorrow i can understand. But if she comes with a court summon for rape? I'll be feeling kinda mugged.

Let's put ourselves in ronaldo's shoe. Set aside how rich he is. The girl is attracted to him, so much she wants to go to his apartment getting naked and all that. And by tomorrow you got a court case of being accused a rapist? Seriously?

Nobody forced the girl to come to his apartment, and unless ronaldo uses some coercion to make her come to his place and further coerce her to undress and starts a sexual intercourse both party is consenting one another.

If this is the case most woman can say no halfway and they'll bound to get someone to accuse of raping them.

Some common sense, you offer your body to this guy and when he took the offer you call the police? That's entrapment to me.

You're victim shaming. It doesn't matter how they got to that point, they could've been married for 60 years and had sex thousands of times and then the one time she says no either before or during the act, if Ronaldo didn't stop and carried on for the hell of it, then it becomes rape.

One moment you can want something, next minute you can not. When it comes to sex, it's pretty clear, if the person you're having sex with suddenly decides they don't want to anymore, you stop. Partially because of the chance of being accused of rape but also because if you're not a rapist, don't rape someone.

Accept consent can change at any given moment, accept that once it's communicated that the consent has gone, you stop. That's common sense.

Honestly makes me wonder what the feck your sex life is like. Do you actually listen to your partners or do you just feck like a mindless rabbit and then finish off without any consideration for them?

 

[Sky1981]

No mate. You are justifying rape, not if cr did or not.

She has to provd that she said no midway and he continued. With that we can agree.

What is disgusting and i will not agree with you is that you dont consider rape if she said no halfway and he continued

Oh shut it.

Nobody here condones a rapist. Let's not get ugly.

 

[Mockney]

I thought the Caf peaked with “put yourself in the shoes of a middle class person for a change” but there’s a chance “put yourself in the shoes of a rapist” has it beat, tbf.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

Well.. if she's gettingnpissed and not seeing me again tomorrow i can understand. But if she comes with a court summon for rape? I'll be feeling kinda mugged.

Let's put ourselves in ronaldo's shoe. Set aside how rich he is. The girl is attracted to him, so much she wants to go to his apartment getting naked and all that. And by tomorrow you got a court case of being accused a rapist? Seriously?

Nobody forced the girl to come to his apartment, and unless ronaldo uses some coercion to make her come to his place and further coerce her to undress and starts a sexual intercourse both party is consenting one another.

If this is the case most woman can say no halfway and they'll bound to get someone to accuse of raping them.

Some common sense, you offer your body to this guy and when he took the offer you call the police? That's entrapment to me.

But that's the point. A woman is allowed to say no halfway and a man should stop. If that happens then there is no entrapment and accuse of rape because the man has stopped.

I think i read she said repetitly in her allegation? If true, pretty clear imo

I wasn't debating that her saying no was in any way an invitation to continue.

I was making the point to Sky that its obvious when someone is having sex you don't just immediately stop within a split second, there is a process of asking the other person if they are ok (you are obviously not actively having sex at this point) and when she says no you do not continue and pull out or whatever if you haven't already. Regardless of the situation when someone says no you stop end of.​

 

[Scarecrow]

Is there a classification of rape, depending on the circumstances? Like with murder?

 

[Tarrou]

Not sure its too wise having a thread on this. Feels like something fishy went on to get the story out (ie leaked to foreign news outlet), but I might be wrong.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

An English version of the article.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...iles-complaint-against-ronaldo-a-1230759.html

 

[Sky1981]

I thought the Caf peaked with “put yourself in the shoes of a middle class person for a change” but there’s a chance “put yourself in the shoes of a rapist” has it beat, tbf.

I just fail to see how a girl can come to my place, undress naked, sucks my dick, getting boned, without coercion and by tomorrow I'm a rapist.

If you see him as a rapist that deserves a jail time in that circumstances then it's your view.

 

[Ishdalar]

Is there a classification of rape, depending on the circumstances? Like with murder?

US, which is the situation here, some paces have a classification, for example Washington or NY

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/new-york-law/new-york-rape-laws.html

Las Vegas well I don't know, or in other countries.

 

[sullydnl]

I just fail to see how a girl can come to my place, undress naked, sucks my dick, getting boned, without coercion and by tomorrow I'm a rapist.

If you see him as a rapist that deserves a jail time in that circumstances then it's your view.

You missed the part where she asks you to stop having sex with her and you don't.

 

[KM]

Wait till at least more information comes before all the defense and white knighting ffs

I'm going to threadban you if you come out with another bullshit post like this. This is the third or fourth time you've actually commented on people's behavior in this thread rather than commenting on the case or giving your insight. We got your point first time.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

I just fail to see how a girl can come to my place, undress naked, sucks my dick, getting boned, without coercion and by tomorrow I'm a rapist.

If you see him as a rapist that deserves a jail time in that circumstances then it's your view.

"He starts to come on to me very strong. And he starts to do stuff to me and touch me and grab me and go down on me." She says, she pushed him away and again told him no.

Ronaldo, Mayorga claims, didn't give up and pulled her into the bedroom. "I turned away. He tried to take my underwear off. I turned away from him and curled up into a ball. And I was holding my vagina. And that's when he jumped on me." She says she told him "no, no, no." But Ronaldo, Mayorga claims, raped her anally. Without a condom. Without lubricant.

The next day, Mayorga called the police and was examined at the University Medical Center. The case received a case number that would later be referenced in the settlement between Mayorga and Ronaldo. But Mayorga did not initially tell the police who raped her. She consulted with a lawyer who advised her not to go public. But Mayorga didn't want to just sit back and do nothing, either. "I wanted to teach him a lesson. I wanted him to deal with it, to have to face me," she says. And to pay for her treatment. "I'm not going to pay for my goddamn treatment," she says, describing her thinking at the time. "He raped me. He's going to pay for my goddamn treatment!"

According to documents that the whistleblowing platform Football Leaks has made available to DER SPIEGEL, Mayorga's lawyer at the time contacted one of Ronaldo's lawyers in July 2009. In the next several months, an entire legal team was assembled to deal with the rape accusations. A list of hundreds of questions was sent to Ronaldo, to his brother-in-law and to his cousin. Ronaldo is identified in the document as "X" and Mayorga as "Ms. C".

There are a number of versions of the questionnaire. The questions remain more or less consistent on all of them, but the answers do not. In one version, Ronaldo speaks of consensual sex and says there had been no indication that she wasn't OK with it during sex nor did she seem to be doing poorly afterward.

But there is another, much earlier version. It is the document that could have serious consequences for Ronaldo. It was sent via email in September 2009. The sender was a lawyer from the firm of Carlos Osório de Castro, a lawyer who has long represented the soccer star[CH1] . The recipients were Osório de Castro himself and an additional colleague. In response to the question of whether Ms. C had ever raised her voice, screamed or called out, X answered according to the document: "She said no and stop several times." And furthermore: "I fecked her from the side. She made herself available. She was lying on her side, in bed, and I entered her from behind. It was rude. We didn't change position. 5/7 minutes. She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available." And further: "But she kept saying 'no.' 'Don't do it.' 'I'm not like the others.' I apologized afterwards." The document quotes him as saying that she never screamed and never called out for anyone.

"[NN2] Question: Did Ms. C. say anything afterwards about the sex being too brutal? X: She didn't complain about it being brutal. She complained that I forced her. She didn't say anything about wanting to go to the police."

http://www.spiegel.de/international...iles-complaint-against-ronaldo-a-1230759.html

 

[Ishdalar]

I just fail to see how a girl can come to my place, undress naked, sucks my dick, getting boned, without coercion and by tomorrow I'm a rapist.

If you see him as a rapist that deserves a jail time in that circumstances then it's your view.

Because it's not what we're talking about here.

The key part is that the girl asks you to stop for whatever the reason (as far as you know, she could sense a tear in her vagina and be in great pain) and you should stop. Problem here, going by the information, is that she asked to stop and it didn't happen.

 

[dumbo]

If the reports that he admits she said no are accurate (I'm not sure how mangled the translation is) then that is clearly an admission of rape. The rape apologia, gay rape 'jokes' and The Big Bang Theory in this thread are irrelevant and disgusting.

The American descriptor might be designed to locate the reported rape. It gives the reported crime context given Ronaldo has lived in England, Spain, Portugal and Italy. I don't read it as having any moral weight.

 

[Skorenzy]

I see intention. Like every crime there has to be motives and intention. And ronaldo by what little i read didnt strike me as someone who intent to rape.
There will be time when the women is deceived, drugged, threaten, and even when she doesnt say anything I'd still call it a rape.

That's a silly point. It's perfectly possible for a crime to be committed without intent but out of recklessness or negligence instead.

And There's 375k hush money. A real rape victim wont ask for money, they'd ask for justice. They wont talk to lawyer, they'll go to the police the next day.

According to the article, she did.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...stiano-ronaldo-rape-allegation-a-1143910.html

"Was it consensual sex? Was K. playing a game later? One so good that Ronaldo's lawyers decided not to take the case to court and to settle instead? What is known is that K. did contact the police at 2:16 p.m. on the day of the alleged attack. There's a transcript of the call to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, of which DER SPIEGEL has obtained a printed copy. The computer-aided dispatch (CAD) report includes a case number that would also be cited later in the settlement between K. and Ronaldo."