Of course it is the second. People that still have go at managers are just those who don't realize that their idols can't play football. To little football knowledge in those players. Lets hope somehow Rangnick can teach these players so we can win some games. Solskjaer did it for a while. Mourinho and vanGaal did it for a while. But in the end it always goes back to players and their lack of will and character.
We are an awfully coached team
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We press much better? Look who we've been playing.
We aren't better than we were under Ole last season.
We're not the best coached team in the world right now but since RR has joined, we're getting into good positions and situations to create goal scoring chances, but the players let themselves down with a poor first touch or a touch in the wrong direction completely ignoring where the play is supposed to develop, we overhit or udnerhit important passes, make wrong decisions with shooting or passing and fluff or take weak shots.
The amount of times we absolutely piss our pants just at the crunch moment really annoys me. It seems now to be a quality issue more than anything else.
The amount of times we absolutely piss our pants just at the crunch moment really annoys me. It seems now to be a quality issue more than anything else.
Dont agree at all. I guess you decided what you want to believe without properly watching what's in front of you. Cheers.
Edit: Just seen you wrote ship was steadied after 3 games with Carrick in charge.. Jesus.
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Well, last year, we picked up 74 points from 38 games - just under 2.0 PPG. Since Ole was sacked, we've picked up 26 from 13 - exactly 2.0 PPG. The football is vastly better too.
we are much better than we were under him last October & November
getting battered by watford Leicester & co
Ole's football last season was the peak of what he could achieve, so I'd say Ralf's doing okay to be as good in significantly less time.
The signs were there last season that our football was absolutely not sustainable and far away from what's expected from a modern team. At least we're starting to correct that. It was never going to be an easy transition after years of severe under-coaching and drastic changes in philosophy under different managers.
Important win last night. Still not convinced by us. Still think we will get bashed by city and Liverpool and better teams with way we are set up.
I agree with this,
I actually think the team looks reasonably balanced and a lot better in terms of general all round play, i just think its a quality issue with certain areas of the pitch and certain aspects of the game that lets us down.
Shaw is a great player going forward, but his reading of the game is poor at times, his positioning is awful through out the game,
Fred is a very good player in regards to breaking up the play and pressing, however his decision making can be lacklustre,
Rashford is similar, we know he can produce, just his decision making at times is poor.
There are several other aspects that can be brought up, but i feel whilst we have quality in our side, we also lack quality in vital areas which makes us look a worse team than what we actually are.
Goals paper over a lot of issues, we tend to panic in the crucial moments, like when there's a counter attack brewing, one of our players will play a pass behind a teammate and the attack dies even before it starts.
Ronaldo keeps making runs every 3-4 mins, our players ignore him most of the times, then when after 20 mins and 5 unproductive runs Ronaldo does get a chance, he's too frustrated and snatches at it, not to forget that at 37 he's obviously not as clinical anymore. Scot and Fred do not trust their own first touch and rightly so, they have to take a couple of extra touches to move play from one side to another, gives enough time to the opposition to get in to position.
Little things like these are missing in our players right now.
We're surely going to have to upgrade on a lot of players.
This is basically the crux of our problem. Time and time again you see it in the middle of the park, if you watch our matches on TV, whenever we try to play it out from the back there is never any United player on screen in the middle of the park from that midfield, except McTominay who hides so he can barely recieve a pass. This then forces our players to play it wide constantly, or the occasional long ball and then either lose it or just keep passing it around the back. It's the complete lack of movement that's killing us, for some reason our 2 other midfielders are content to stay wandering around by our forward line rather than come into the middle or deep for a pass, it's the most frustrating shit i've ever seen and we do it constantly. If our players moved around a bit we'd look half decent but a lot of them play like statues out there. an entire midfield revamp is needed.
Pretty much spot on.
When you say get to the end of the season, what do you mean exactly?
Do whatever is necessary to get top 4 (play sht football if necessary, sit back, play counter, play 4-2-3-1, dont become press masters, play players that Rangnick wants out but he needs them etc) and try to at least not completely sink (getting 6/7/8, down tools etc). Everything else is a bonus. Im not saying dont try to improve. Im saying the improvement is the icing on the cake and the cake is missing several key ingredients and is falling apart.
So we are a cake without eggs, sailing on a sea without a mast.
I think I get what you are saying!
Ah okay yeah, I think I agree.
I saw all I needed to see last night to see that we will be badly exposed by better teams without major improvements.
We've had a very easy fixture list which is about to get a lot tougher. From the start of March we have:
City (a)
Spurs (h)
Atletico Madrid (h)
Liverpool (a)
Leicester (h)
Everton (a)
Norwich (h)
Arsenal (a)
Brentford (h)
Brighton (a)
Chelsea (h)
Palace (a)
Out of those I'd say only Norwich and Brentford games should be easy. I think we're going to get exposed badly by the better teams, I'd love to be wrong but from what I saw last night and in the previous games I don't see any other outcome.
It looks for me that none of them are easy with how we play. It will probably be a lot of loss and draws.
It's funny this thread is bumped now. Shows it actually hit the bulls eye when the manager was Ole .
Ralf isn't ready for this yet because
-He just started.
-He hasn't had a transfer window yet (he may not have one ever).
-We are actually seeing some improvements on the pitch in contrary to what we saw under Ole.
-This thread for Ole was created last year. Fans were extremely patient for 2 years ( yes - 2 big years)
Ralf isn't ready for this yet because
-He just started.
-He hasn't had a transfer window yet (he may not have one ever).
-We are actually seeing some improvements on the pitch in contrary to what we saw under Ole.
-This thread for Ole was created last year. Fans were extremely patient for 2 years ( yes - 2 big years)
Now to people losing shit over Brighton game. It was always going to be like this. This is the team that went toe to toe against Liverpool at Anfield and got a draw. Chelsea also lost 2 points against them.
So save some tears for now. March would be the deciding month for us .
So save some tears for now. March would be the deciding month for us .
All this bump tells me is people don't know what patterned passing combinations are. I can't believe anyone is watching us under Rangnick and saying "I see no difference in our passing", No feckin wonder they thought Ole was doing well. Back then I actually thought they were just lying.
Without even going into deep tactical patterns, there is a noticeable difference just on the eye. We have improved in areas under Ralf and if he didn't have a bunch of average joes playing for him, we'd look even better. We have even improved defensively whilst Maguire and Shaw have been shocking.
Damn, Ralf. Maybe Ole should apply for consultancy instead?
I haven't seen a united side coached as badly as......Ole coached them. No way ETH can do any worse. It is impossible.
I haven't seen a united side coached as badly as......Ole coached them. No way ETH can do any worse. It is impossible.
I don't see it honestly. Only saw it like the first 20 minutes of his tenure Deep tactical patterns
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Ralf's situation is untenable really. He doesn't have the dressing room. Most players don't give a damn. And he leaves in a few weeks now. So do most of the players tbh. But yes overall, since being appointed he has had zero impact on our results and hasn't improved our fortunes whatsoever. Failure.
It is still the case, as useless as some of these players are. Unfortunately I don't think it will change until we get a good pre season with a top quality coaching team.
We still fail at some of the absolute basics like not leaving 30 yards between our midfield and our defence.
We still fail at some of the absolute basics like not leaving 30 yards between our midfield and our defence.
Having bottom 6 players doesnt help. You wouldnt swap dalot and telles for cash and digne would you? Villa are 15th
The fact that this has been an issue since Mourinho left, regardless of the midfield and defence set up, leads me to say no.
Whilst Ralph hasn’t done great, don’t think anyone could do anything with this lot. We talk of character, attitude and application, the majority are poor in every aspect. Top to bottom clear out needed.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that we have crap players that have been coached by crap coaches.
i agree
Fred, a somewhat capable midfielder prone to brain farts.
Matic, a very good passer but slow as feck, his legs were gone 2 years ago let alone this season.
McTominay, he's a very, very average midfielder. I struggle to name one thing he's good at. Doesn't score goals anymore either.
Pogba, lazy but very good on the ball. Defensively shocking.
Those are our options.... these are the same options we've had for what, three seasons now? It's just woeful. Fred can do a job as a squad player and Pogba is the very definition of a luxury player. None should be starting for us and yet here we are. It's borderline insane.
Matic, a very good passer but slow as feck, his legs were gone 2 years ago let alone this season.
McTominay, he's a very, very average midfielder. I struggle to name one thing he's good at. Doesn't score goals anymore either.
Pogba, lazy but very good on the ball. Defensively shocking.
Those are our options.... these are the same options we've had for what, three seasons now? It's just woeful. Fred can do a job as a squad player and Pogba is the very definition of a luxury player. None should be starting for us and yet here we are. It's borderline insane.
i’ve always thought this. You win and lose games in midfield. If fred or mctominay are a starter next season i can already tell you we are in for more of the same
Well considering all the money we've thrown at it, we might just be a crap club.
I’m expecting Donny to be in midfield with an actual DM who can defend and pass the ball.
Fingers crossed
go back a few pages and nobody blaming the players just the coaching... now we have 'bottom 6 players' hahaha