We are an awfully coached team

I'm not a "close thread" kinda guy, but could we at least rename this thread for a while?

There's no doubt that United were a poorly, maybe even awfully, managed side under Moyes, Van Gaal, Mourinho and Ole, but we have a new manager who most of us wanted to see appointed.
 
Give EtH time, some new players, and we will come good. Those players who cant or wont perform, will be shipped out
 
Reynoldo said:
That is all I am looking for, well that and to be able to come onto the Caf to a thread titled - We are a beautifully coached team, so we can all partake in the circle jerk of our glorious football
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Moyes, Mou and Van Gaal were all good coaches in their own right but for some reason, be it too close to the Fergie era and the squad needing too much of a revamp with Wood"shite"ward in charge, it just didn't work out.

With the new CEO etc in charge and employing ETH, who is a brilliant hands on coach, I honestly think this is the new dawn for us. I think he'll need a few windows to get rid of the players that aren't good enough / can't play to the level he needs, but once that is in place we will see us fighting for the league etc. But not this season. This season is CL quali and getting the players like Sancho / Fernandez etc used to the way he wants the forwards to press, aggressive in defence etc
 
ETH will coach them better.

I worry about the 3rd game of the season against Liverpool coming too soon though. If we take a spanking, that would really be a pressure start to his reign.
 
Can we have a different thread to discuss tactics improving.
Seeing this thread bumped is giving me nightmares and opening painful wounds.

I hope to never ever see this thread bumped throughout ETHs time with us.
 
Chief123 said:
ETH will coach them better.

I worry about the 3rd game of the season against Liverpool coming too soon though. If we take a spanking, that would really be a pressure start to his reign.
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Does not matter. It is so early, no one expects a win and if we do so, only positive
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Then those players will need to be dropped and / or replaced with players who are capable of performing ten Hags instructions.

That’s what backing a manager is.

It isn’t just buying who he wants - it’s supporting him when shit gets going IN a season.

This is what Utd keep failing to do, and it’s something that many (not all) Utd fans seem to miss when talking of ‘backing the manager’.

It’s why the club keeps changing managers and has built a toxic dressing room, imo at least.
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I agree with this 100%.

We had people above the managers who looked at what was happening to the team and squad and decided they knew better than the managers and interfered.

Backing the manager has to be all or nothing, the moment the board thinks they know better than the manager they should sack him immediately, otherwise it’s death by a thousand cuts and the whole club is affected.
 
dubplate warrior said:
I suspect the deficiencies of some players will be amplified, a result of the regular lionisation of players for their physical, rather than their technical attributes. Enjoy the ride folks! Its going to be a bumpy first year.
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A proper modern effective style of football bedded in with obvious signs of progress, then slowly picking the right players for that system.
That's all we want.
 
Chief123 said:
ETH will coach them better.

I worry about the 3rd game of the season against Liverpool coming too soon though. If we take a spanking, that would really be a pressure start to his reign.
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If anything it would be a surprise to Pool. They just don't know what to expect.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
. Because the team will be close to full fitness and then we will see clearly if they can attempt to consistently perform the manager's style of football on any basis.
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Don't think it'll be that soon or specific at all.

There will be fits and bursts of form here n there. That's what this lot have done with every manager and regardless of that it takes time for any manager to roll out some kind of consistency.
 
tenpoless said:
Training is nice and all... I'm just afraid during actual matches it'll be the same shit all over again. Fred giving the ball away, Maguire panicking, De Gea kicking it out for a throw in. I have nightmares about those.
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That's how I see things.
This is the reason why I believe most players need to be replaced, however, ETH will be told to make do with the existing players (who are proven to be failures) with a few additions.
Remember, there is no guarantee that the new additions will work out, so in an ideal world, we'd need to bring in 5 players every season, with the hope that 2 of those players work out. If we can achieve that success rate, in 3 years we'd have 6 great outfield players. Add another 2 youth players to that, that'll be 8 new successful players in 3 years.....which will set us up well.

The issue though is that we won't be buying 5 players and we'll hang on to the deadwood, like our lives depend upon it. ETH will have to make do with players who are crap and he'll get fired when the team fails. The deadwood players, will remain, which will cause problems for the next manager. And so on....
 
Keefy18 said:
Don't think it'll be that soon or specific at all.

There will be fits and bursts of form here n there. That's what this lot have done with every manager and regardless of that it takes time for any manager to roll out some kind of consistency.
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I'm not talking consistency of performance though. I'm referring to consistency of playing idea. Till this lot are match fit we won't know if they can reproduce what Ten hag trains them at all.
 
Genuinely might be the worst coached side defensively that I've ever had the displeasure to watch regularly

Even relegation fodder are harder to play though
 
Chief123 said:
ETH will coach them better.

I worry about the 3rd game of the season against Liverpool coming too soon though. If we take a spanking, that would really be a pressure start to his reign.
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Just got the season wrong, otherwise spot on.
 
Dutch arrogance tied to comically amateurish tactics is a hell of a combination.
 
Rolaholic said:
Genuinely might be the worst coached side defensively that I've ever had the displeasure to watch regularly

Even relegation fodder are harder to play though
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Its absolutely crazy. You leave room for wingers to run in behind with full backs who only play within 15 yards of the half way line and you also manage to leave the centre wide open so players can just completely run right through the heart of your team at will. Its strange cause when you set up somewhat balanced you can defend and look decent on the counter.

I never quite got the basketball vibes people here talked about cause I only watched you against the big teams last season, but I've watched your last 3 games and its absolute insanity. You could have a CB pairing of Barersi and Maldini and you'd still give up 4-5 huge chances a game with the current set up.
 
Bobski said:
Dutch arrogance tied to comically amateurish tactics is a hell of a combination.
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At least with Mourinho, who I came to abhor at the end, the arrogance was somewhat well earned being an established winner and trail blazer within the English and European game.

This guy couldn't carry Jose's clipboard
 
It's like he wants to do unusual things because other top managers pay around with tactics, but didn't really know why he's asking players to do these things. With Pep you know that he has a reason for doing stuff. With Ten Hag you don't have a clue what his reasoning is.
 
The goals we concede are Sunday League standard. The first two goals are headed in from under the crossbar. You learn to clear the penalty area when you're about 12 years old.
 
How is his defensive organization this bad? Every match we are vulnerable. There's no comfort in getting a lead because you just know we're most likely to concede not long afterwards.
 
Still don’t think if we had a fully fit side he would know what our best 11 is, we could possibly have another rotation of centre backs for the Villa game and everyone barring Yoro is fit.

Doesn’t know what our best front three is or our best midfield three.

This is after 600 million spent.
 
One long ball and the other team is on business.. running towards our goal..
Where did we see this ?
Every game the last 2 seasons ..
 
Ah... I liked this thread. Think I made my first post in here...

We certainly do look uncoached right now. I appreciate that ETH seems to try to install something but from what we see, it really doesn't work yet. I think, the results of the last weeks make it look worse than it is but we really seem stuck in some inbetween-state where we have to bear all the risks of the choosen system while getting absolutely none of the reward.

I am seriously worried. Parts of the fanbase are ripe to just take any other coach at this point. Really worried that we bring in some nut who'll go back to basics only to stabilize a bit but after all not developing at all.
 
Ah the days where we had Carrick and McKenna as coaches before people said we'd be so much better with a 'modern manager', with 'patterns of play'.
 
What is this fascination with Dalot running into midfield leaving the left channel exposed and the whole defence moving across to cover him?

Is it just because he seen Pep do it with Stones so it must be a good idea?

Our team clearly hasn't the balance to play this way.
 
Globule said:
It's like he wants to do unusual things because other top managers pay around with tactics, but didn't really know why he's asking players to do these things. With Pep you know that he has a reason for doing stuff. With Ten Hag you don't have a clue what his reasoning is.
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roseguy64 said:


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It was evident last season.

Rashford's best game was Wolves away. What was different about that game...? It was one of the last times Shaw played a full 90mins for us at LB. Him bombing down the outside of Rashford bought him the space he desires to perform his one useful / effective move - the chop inside and shoot.
 
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