Our players are thick as pig shit and lazy to boot. I wish we could hire Klopp or Pep for a few months just so some of you would finally grasp how hopeless this group of players are.
We are an awfully coached team
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The only time this season, I have ever seen us with an ounce of control in any game, was under Carrick.
He was only in charge for a few matches, and honestly, I would bring him back, in a heartbeat.
He was only in charge for a few matches, and honestly, I would bring him back, in a heartbeat.
Surprised you are presumably able to stand given how hard you are knee-jerking. Do you actually think the length of time a coach has to work with their players has no impact? Or that having multiple windows to recruit players suited for your approach doesn't matter?
Surprised you are presumably able to stand given how hard you are knee-jerking. Do you actually think the length of time a coach has to work with their players has no impact? Or that having multiple windows to recruit players suited for your approach doesn't matter?
This is unacceptably bad.
Give Potter a few weeks and he'd do heck of a lot better than what's been served up in this half of football.
Heck of a lot better.
Depressing is an understatement
I agree. Every player has to be at it. If one player isnt doing it, the whole thing goes tits up. If one note is off, it destroys the whole symphony.
Keep blaming managers when we know character of our players.
With this set of players?
Brighton strolling around OT like they own the place
Sobering
Sobering
Given the recent leaks that have been all but confirmed as legitimate by Neville, this group of players seems unreceptive to coaching to a more or less unprecedented extent. I don't understand why you think Potter is uniquely suited to get a tune out of them given he's never worked with anyone even resembling an overpaid primadonna?
He's got no credentials. The players will throw him out the sooner he gets them to do something they disagree with.
Conte was the man for the job. These players are pampered and entitled as feck. But the board would rather have everyone be pally, keeping the illusion of good vibes so they can sell the marketing value of the club to sponsors.
Agreed. Been a big fan of Potter for a while but this squad would not work for him, it's a poisoned chalice with this collection of egotistical drek hanging around.
As much as I like him I just dont think he'd have the gravitas to control this monstrosity of a dressing room we've created. Say what you want about Ralph, he clearly knows football.
These players are un-fecking-coachable, they've shown time and time again. The collective mentality is clearly abysmal.
Previous managers weren't given the amount of protection RR is getting from the fanbase
You are fecking joking here. Potter has been there for time, in an extremely well run club where the structure is completely in line with their vision where Potter fits in like a glove (yes, he is fantastic). But throw Potter into our team after being spanked by Liverpool, City, and Watford, looking absolutely hopeless and being lead by a clueless happy-go-lucky Ole, and there is no way he'd have this team playing like a team, let alone if he was installed as an interim with the fecking viper's nest of a dressing room doing all they can to transfer their responsibility onto the manager with their poisonous leaks.
There's quite a few good managerial candidates in terms of coaching. But the structure needs to be there to support them and the culture has to be the manager is more important than the players and if he wants a player out, the player needs to be fecked off. Ten Hag is used to a great setup, Rangnick can definitely create that setup if given the authority, and Enrique is both progressive but also fierce and won't suffer these cnuts lightly.
If we can't get Ten Hag in the summer (I don't see why we couldn't though) or if we want to wait for Enrique (if he would actually consider joining) until after the World Cup, Rangnick with ammunition over the summer holding the fort until a new manager would be fine with me. He'll go to town on this team in the summer if he's given the leeway.
always the coaches isn't it
As a lifelong Utd fan I have never had any dislike of our players until now! Other than DDG and Lindeloff the rest are either really poor or just a don’t give a toss as long as they get paid! Maguire is stealing a living, Sick of Bruno pointing and whinging….. Mc Fred is woefull…. I would rather watch Mata at nearly 40 ffs!!! Ralf just cannot get anything out of this lot and I doubt anyone can!!
Because we still believed in the players.
It's now going to be abject performances under 5 separate coaches. The penny has dropped, this lot are not good enough.
Can't coach shit when you have Macguire, Ronaldo, Mcfred in the team.
so we still blame the manager - this is manager number 3.
Are they all shite managers?
The players - its the players
Amazing how it took 5 managers then
Same was said about previous managers.
We got players that lack character. That is it. They don’t care enough and aren’t willing to put their head first to win games. No leaders and there could be lot said about football knowledge despite them being professionals.
Why was anyone expecting a quick fix?. The squad is a mess, we’ve spent years under Jose and Ole being a passive, ponderous, counter attacking team, no emphasis on pressing, very low work rate and playing outdated football.
Another squad overhaul will be very expensive. Rebuild the culture of the dressing room is no simple task either. I will use Arsenal as an example, Arsenal basically gave out lots of player for free to enforce the authority of Arteta as Head coach/Manager. The message is No player is bigger than Arteta in the dressing room, and it cost the club a lot of money.
How can Thomas Tuechel take over a floundering Chelsea side and go unbeaten in his first 10 league matches (winning 7 - 24 points) as well as win the Champions League, and Rangnick (Tuechel's former coach and mentor) can take over a floundering United side and in his first 10 games struggle to earn points even against the league's bottom teams (winning 5 - 19 points)? Note that United have only played West Ham (W) and Wolves (L) of the top 7 in those 10 fixtures.
We have the largest collection of low IQ footballers I’ve ever seen.
Even with Ole's particularly poor set-up it was a few years into his "rebuild" before I really started to lose hope that whatever he was trying to do might take shape with just the right signings.
In the case of an interim bunch of coaches trying to turn a team that can't press into one that can within a few months, I wouldn't draw any real conclusions about the standard of our coaching. They could be great and still have us look a bit of a mess because the team very specifically wasn't built to do what these coaches want it to.
All that said, as with the manager my general feeling is that if they were as good as we'd want them to be then they wouldn't be here to do a temporary job until the end of the season. When you put yourself in a position where you have to make that sort of appointment, lower expectations accordingly.
In the case of an interim bunch of coaches trying to turn a team that can't press into one that can within a few months, I wouldn't draw any real conclusions about the standard of our coaching. They could be great and still have us look a bit of a mess because the team very specifically wasn't built to do what these coaches want it to.
All that said, as with the manager my general feeling is that if they were as good as we'd want them to be then they wouldn't be here to do a temporary job until the end of the season. When you put yourself in a position where you have to make that sort of appointment, lower expectations accordingly.
Tuchel was regarded as a top level manager and on that basis was hired as the permanent Chelsea manager.
Rangnick wasn't regarded as a top level manager, was perhaps best known for his work in an entirely different role, and on that basis was hired as temporary manager until we could hire someone of the requisite standard for the permanent role with Rangnick then shifting to a more appropriate role.
So why would anyone expect Rangnick to do as well as Tuchel in that scenario? The fact that he was unlikely to be as good is baked into the very nature of the job he was given.
And that's without getting into our squad's specific flaws.
Because we had a squad that was receptive to Tuchel's methods and the changes he rang in. It doesn't matter how good a coach is if the players are unwilling to listen.
I don't think they're unwilling. Conte -> Tuchel is a far easier switch than Mou -> Ole -> Rangnick. Neither Mou nor Ole tried to play on the front foot. They just retreat into their shell as soon as they lose the ball and counter attack when they win the ball back.
Nice to see Danny Welbeck. Hope he sticks one in the top corner.
I would actually expect better. But let's hear what you think our specific flaws are.
R² isn't coaching Bruno to miss one v ones.
Ban
Honestly think we are coached ok, we just miss so many chances. The two players we needed to score scored tonight and Sancho is finding form so let’s see where we are in a month
There's definitely some evidence of United becoming better at Rangnicks goal of coordinated pressing to launch quick counter attacks. Our goal and the Dunk red card both occured from after we pressed high and won possession. I don't think we have the fitness to sustain that approach however.
If Rangnick has laid the tactical groundwork for a new manager to build upon then that's progress I suppose.
If Rangnick has laid the tactical groundwork for a new manager to build upon then that's progress I suppose.
Pretty sure, the teams we are aspiring to call rivals will not start to get cold feet from that "pressing"... We were outplayed by Brighton and even with ten men, they were player more assertive than we did. Not having a go at the manager, but no matter what he is trying to do, line between feckup and progress gets thinner and thinner.
Ok Bruno. Posted in the wrong thread by accident.
I mean, you're ignoring the fact that there were 2.5 seasons between Conte and Tuchel? So Thiago Silva, Jorginho, Mount, Mendy, Havertz, CHO, James, Chilwell, and Werner all didn't overlap, so any sort of switch is irrelevant?
Again, Neville has all but confirmed the leaks suggesting United have a squad almost uniquely unreceptive to coaching. Perhaps Occam's Razor is a more logical explanation than continued excuses. There is a rather famous quote from Einstein about the definition of insanity.
Same players, different coaches, same result.
Good to see individual brilliance back tonight.
Good to see individual brilliance back tonight.