And why we can't seem to attack most the time properly or generally be in a proper defensive shape? Everytime a team attacks us it's almost just hope they don't score
We are an awfully coached team
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And why we can't seem to attack most the time properly or generally be in a proper defensive shape? Everytime a team attacks us it's almost just hope they don't score
Considering Ole will never be on the field, we can blame the players for everything.
Ah yes. Nothing to do with the fact that we havent kept a clean sheet for 9 games in a row now, a new record dating back 50 years since it was that bad. Still I guess every time its down to individual mistakes, as opposed to having a competent manager who can set the team up to actually take the game to the opposition and not be too defensive.
Thought we attacked well, kept them pinned back, kept the ball, made plenty of good chances. We’ve screwed up big time today and discounting the selection debate the issues all came from individual cock ups
I really don't think we are going to beat Liverpool, City, or Chelsea this year. That used to be us before, now we are awful across the board.
OGS = Frank Lampard. Club needs to re-establish an identity. Brings in a club legend to get things moving in the right direction, buys some very good players. Club legend can't get from B to A. One club lets go of the club legend and wins Champion's league with same players. The other club..........
Sadly Man Utd leadership is not equal to Chelsea leadership.
Sadly Man Utd leadership is not equal to Chelsea leadership.
Exactly. If loses are caused by individual mistakes and wins caused by individual brilliance, why do clubs bother with managers?
Ole has a nice smile and is good vibes. Worth the 10million per year.
I previously disagreed with this thread but it’s gone past that.
Happy to admit I was wrong, does anyone still disagree with this statement? Beyond debate now in my view, may as well close the thread and tick it off @bond19821982 called it well.
Happy to admit I was wrong, does anyone still disagree with this statement? Beyond debate now in my view, may as well close the thread and tick it off @bond19821982 called it well.
We’re so predictable.
He really isn’t much more than a mascot. No matter how poor we are there’s zero evidence he’s tried to address anything on the training room, tactics or by addressing issues with individual players
We come out next week and play exactly the same with the exact same issues.
Why?
You genuinely think that being ‘poorly coached’ means they are coached to make mistakes?
All players make mistakes, the best coached sides are set up to cover for each other and be able to mitigate the impact of those mistakes. It is absolutely ‘coaching’ to teach a player how to deal with a counterattack when it looks like we’re going to get caught out.
So what managers is Ole paid more than in the PL?
I recall that he earns more than Klopp (!!!), who else?
I recall that he earns more than Klopp (!!!), who else?
I don't think it's about priorities. You don't spend the money we've spent and sign the players we've signed in order to just target top 4.
I really think that the club is lost. People there are scarred from the tenures of LVG and Mourinho. They brought in Solskjaer, saw the mood improve, saw periods of upwards trajectory and are now hoping and praying for more of it because if they let him go they have no idea who to appoint and who will offer continuancy to what we've built in recent years.
Every match we talk about individual cock ups.
I agree it’s every bloody game. It’s not the coaching it’s players not concentrating and making bad decisions
And why does it happens so often at United? Because the coaching is bad. Well drilled teams know much more automtically how to decide in certain situations, because they practise them in coaching sessions.
Obviously individual mistakes can and will always happen, but it just happens too much at United and that is a pretty good hint that the players are not well prepared.
I guess I am saying that "patterns of play" are missing.
Yep.
Certain segments of the fanbase still misunderstand what the Glazer offspring are. They're not evil-super-geniuses. They're really really reaaaaallly stupid. Papa Glazer was the smart one.
His recent defensive record is atrocious. Whilst a lot of the themes in this thread are related to the lack of attacking patterns of play and rightly so, the way the defence gets dragged out of position over and over again is quite shocking. It’s literally like Ole never learns assuming the players listen to and follow his orders.
And you don't think Solskjaer bears any responsibility when these mistakes keep occurring? Would the onus not be on the coaching and his management to reduce the frequency of those mistakes?
We have definitely had a load of absolute howlers so far.
It's cost us points already, needs to be nipped in the bud.
We didn't play badly today but again a mistake from Fred this time allows the opposition to score. He cannot allow Gray to outmuscle him there.
They’re really not. They just aren’t football people and don’t care about success. It’s all about money.
I've posted about it before. You can look up where they went to school, how they failed at business, etc.
Yes, the money thing duh. This is not about that.
Pretty sure they all know not to be sucked towards the ball, miss place passes, be sloppy, be weak
In theory yes of course. But in reality you need to know where the other players are and move to to place your passes well. It starts with simple things that need to be adressed during coaching sessions.
Next thing we'll be giving players a new contract on these terms too.... oh wait, Mata.
Why do clubs bother paying managers 10 million a year if they don't make a difference? Why do the managers insist on players spending hours on the training pitch every day if it doesn't make a difference? Every bad pass, every bad shot, every missed tackle, every run not tracked, every lack of movement, every poor decision is technically down to the players.
This is not a one off. We're getting battered on the counter attack every game. We're not scoring enough, and we're conceding too many. Our xG for the season extrapolated is just 68 goals, and our xGA is an absurdly bad 44 goals.
«Plenty of good chances». Literally not true, we created very little as was the case against Villa. A Cavani-header that was almost impossible to get power on, Pogba’s shot… after that I can’t remember much. Let’s stop pretending a shot on target is automatically a big chance, the keeper is there for a reason.
There is a pattern of play. When we play from the back, both of our midfield tend to be in pivot midfield two. And when we play the ball to wide areas, we often create square link with 4 players and that’s where one of the midfield drifts wide. For example on the right flank, we often have McTominay, Bissaka, Greenwood, and Bruno linking together in square while Fred will stay in the middle. If we switch the ball to left side while Bruno is still on the right then either Cavani joins in to make 4 square link or we just do triangle with Fred, Shaw, Martial, while McTominay will drift to middle as well as Bruno. There are various reasons why we are doing this and one of them is to create space so if we focus on the right, it opens space for the left flanks or others.
The big issue is obviously the lack of technical player in the team. Players like Bruno and Greenwood can play quick one touch football but not for McTominay, Fred and Bissaka to do on consistent basis. As a result, when they try to play one touch football, we end up giving the ball away and that’s where we can be vulnerable on counter and that’s the main reason why we are unable to have total control.
Do you blame it for bad coaching? Or is it more the fact we don’t have enough technical player to play that way or may be we have some of these technical players but we chose to play with the non-technical one, after all, Ole is the one who signed Bissaka and persistent to play McFred over Donny.
The big issue is obviously the lack of technical player in the team. Players like Bruno and Greenwood can play quick one touch football but not for McTominay, Fred and Bissaka to do on consistent basis. As a result, when they try to play one touch football, we end up giving the ball away and that’s where we can be vulnerable on counter and that’s the main reason why we are unable to have total control.
Do you blame it for bad coaching? Or is it more the fact we don’t have enough technical player to play that way or may be we have some of these technical players but we chose to play with the non-technical one, after all, Ole is the one who signed Bissaka and persistent to play McFred over Donny.
Please don’t make me hate you Ole.
I’m starting to do it I can feel it.
You are way way out of your depth. Someone, Woodward, Joel, whoever the feck is in charge now just end it now please.
I’m starting to do it I can feel it.
You are way way out of your depth. Someone, Woodward, Joel, whoever the feck is in charge now just end it now please.
You're exactly where Chelsea were with Lampard a year ago. Both did well relative to expectations, took the team as far as they could, and both deserve plaudits for those achievements, but ultimately they are some ways off the top level.
yes and these
And then these players go to their national teams and play a completely different game. We are not a well coached side. Our movements usually are terrible. It is normally played right across the pitch to AWB or Shaw and they try to cross it. You can see it coming in every match. Same pattern.
We have just signed one of the best centre backs in the world to partner a 80 million pound centre back but still cant keep a clean sheet and always look too open and we just splashed out 70-80 million on sancho and brought back a goal machine and yet we look uninspiring in attack, plus on top of that we can't control things in the middle of the park.
All of that screams woeful coaching of the team.
All of that screams woeful coaching of the team.
Right now the caf is basically 30,000 blind women and men trying to articulate the same elephant.
Unfortunately, that elephant in the room is you-know-who.
Unfortunately, that elephant in the room is you-know-who.
Was watching the highlights back and saw this for the disallowed goal.
What the hell are we doing there?
What the hell are we doing there?
Yup, and it's a mighty big elephant with a goldfish for a memory because he doesn't seem to learn anything.
I would agree to the extent, that we looked better today than to what we have seen the other matches. I don't know, but there was something reminiscent of that last season... The moment when we have seen what good a striker with some workrate can bring to the team. Back then it was Cavani for Martial, this time it was Cavani for Ronaldo. For me it is obvious, we lack some energy up front, somebody to really move, to cause some trouble for the defenders, having Martial, Cavani and Greenwood in the team, I thought that be way too many strikers, too much conversion, to little creation, but we went fairly fine. Sure, it might have been connected to Everton not sitting back but having a go at us which resulted in a big of chaos which I think, suited us quite a bit. It all went away when Ronaldo entered the pitch and Everton dropped deep. The pogba sub ended all hopes in my eyes, from then on it was hoofball and the midfield was abandoned.
So all in all - I agree, we looked better than usual. But the points weren't lost because of one individual mistake in the 65th minute. That could have been rectified 2 or 3 times in the following 15 seconds. And which could have been rectified in the 25+ minutes later. Who are we to expect that one goal is enough to deserve a win against an in-form Everton team - that gained the exact same amount of points, the same amount of goals but conceded one or two more. They still had a better xPts before the game. Fred and individual mistakes are a problem. But so is the coaching, because at some point the manager can't hide.
Kudos to you Sir, it takes something to admit being wrong. The thread title suffers from its hyperbole name, but the criticism is quite sound I'd say.
So all in all, its again the same un-technical players who are at fault but not the manager? It is because of Fred, McTominay and AWB, that we cannot create something of note with talent like Bruno, Cavani, Martial and Greenwood on the pitch? Not creating anything of note when we should be bombarding the goal adding the talent of Ronaldo(!!!!), Sancho and Pogba to the mix?
I wonder how other teams are doing it with even lesser players on the pitch than we do... No. Just no. When Ole was credited for his subs which changed a few of the last games, I'd say his subs were at fault for this result today. No idea why he took off Cavani who linked the attack and made them move, absolutely no idea how somebody can put on Pogba for Fred but leave McTominay on the pitch. All this talent but we just surrender midfield and go for hoofball...
Our best to lose the game.Was watching the highlights back and saw this for the disallowed goal.
What the hell are we doing there?
You are not reading the whole post at all mate.
They've been reading the cafe 
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