We are an awfully coached team

Our style of play,compared to chelsea/City/Liverpool is just pathetic.I think we can now see how important a top class manager is for the growth of a team…
 
Ole doesn't do himself any favors today. Fecking hell... I mean, I get it, if Martial isn't fit, you have to sub him. The Ronaldo sub? Boy, I am struggling with this but at the end of the day, Ronaldo is more likely to score than Cavani, I wouldn't have subbed him this early but no obvious mistake. But why, why the hell, hook Fred to bring on Pogba. Such a nothing sub. It ended all chances - it was hoofball afterwards. Really pissed.

I am not saying that Ole is at fault for the points loss but his input was big today. Looking at the last games where his subs payed of, I have to think, they are just rolling the dice there in the dugout. Defending a counter is tricky, it isn't difficult to look shite when it doesn't work, but to completely disrupt a game which was generally open, that is really really shite.

Really pissed.
 
4 straight home matches, no wins and only 2 goals scored if it wasn't for Ronaldo's last moment winner against Villareal


Loss to West Ham (EFL Cup)
Loss to Villa
Draw vs Villareal
Draw vs Everton

That's what is should really have been. Even then only 1 home win with only 3 goals scored and 4 conceded in 4 matches is just unacceptable. Especially against that competition. Not like it was bloody fecking Liverpool, City, Chelsea and Bayern.

Get him out and maybe we might have a chance to advance in the CL and not be playing on Thursday hurting our top 4 chances even more and hopefully not be realistically out of the title race by December
 
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stw2022 said:
The smile…..I dunno. I’m not upset that he did it but not good look


We’re not focusing on anything. He’s naming an XI and hoping it goes well. I genuinely think there’s very little else to it than that
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This is my thoughts also. Except in games where we can be the underdog then he has a plan.
 
The folk that are "Ole In" or have been for the past few weeks. Well, as far as I'm concerned, aren't fans of Manchester United FC.

They're just fans of self serving moral sermons and backing their agendas to a tilt even if it comes at the expense of the club's progression.

Awful antics.
 
It's actually ridiculous that people were trying to argue otherwise, that we're not actually an awfully coached team. How come anyone watch United regularly 2 games a week and come to the conclusion that "yeah, this team is a machine" ? We always give vibes of badly coached team who wins because of their quality and nothing else.
 
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I’m just totally at a loss now! Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and Ole have all tried and all failed at producing anything close to decent football.
 
DutchCruijff said:
The folk that are "Ole In" or have been for the past few weeks. Well, as far as I'm concerned, aren't fans of Manchester United FC.

They're just fans of self serving moral sermons and backing their agendas to a tilt even if it comes at the expense of the club's progression.

Awful antics.
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They think being in denial makes them look better.
 
We might need to give Fred and Mctominay a break from starting. We should get a midfield of vdb, pogba and Bruno at the top of the traingle. Vdb might be a 8 or a 10 but he probably might not be as porous as Mcfred. We need something new. We are getting stale and teams have figured us out.
 
Smiling at the end is an issue. He can’t give instructions without ensuring the player knows he’s still mates with him. He should be smashing up the dressing room. Ronaldo and Pogba care more.
 
Thiagoal said:
I’m just totally at a loss now! Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and Ole have all tried and all failed at producing anything close to decent football.
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Well, one of them is out of his depth in the PL and two of the others are Moyes and Mourinho, who aren't exactly names you associate with free-flowing attacking football. It says more about our idiotic recruitment than anything else.
 
NZT-One said:
Ole doesn't do himself any favors today. Fecking hell... I mean, I get it, if Martial isn't fit, you have to sub him. The Ronaldo sub? Boy, I am struggling with this but at the end of the day, Ronaldo is more likely to score than Cavani, I wouldn't have subbed him this early but no obvious mistake. But why, why the hell, hook Fred to bring on Pogba. Such a nothing sub. It ended all chances - it was hoofball afterwards. Really pissed.

I am not saying that Ole is at fault for the points loss but his input was big today. Looking at the last games where his subs payed of, I have to think, they are just rolling the dice there in the dugout. Defending a counter is tricky, it isn't difficult to look shite when it doesn't work, but to completely disrupt a game which was generally open, that is really really shite.

Really pissed.
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Anyone saying we play better football is deluded, this is worse than Mourinho's football with a much better squad. This is LVG's levels of shit.
 
DutchCruijff said:
The folk that are "Ole In" or have been for the past few weeks. Well, as far as I'm concerned, aren't fans of Manchester United FC.

They're just fans of self serving moral sermons and backing their agendas to a tilt even if it comes at the expense of the club's progression.

Awful antics.
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Honest question, under Ole what progression have we seen in terms of playing style or results since he's become manager ?
 
Red Stone said:
Well, one of them is out of his depth in the PL and two of the others are Moyes and Mourinho, who aren't exactly names you associate with free-flowing attacking football. It says more about our idiotic recruitment than anything else.
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Exactly. We haven't hired one modern day, progressive attacking coach since Sir Alex.

It'd be nice to try that way for once.
 
stw2022 said:
They think being in denial makes them look better.
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It's a really strange knock on effect of being blessed with SAF for so long. I doubt any other club has this same phenomenon pester its fanbase.

It's some extremely misguided notion of:
1) Giving manager time = success.
2) I will support manager no matter what, because of (1).
3) Others want to change manager which contradicts (1).
4) Therefore others want United to fail and are bad fans. I want United to succeed so am a good fan.

Of course the real lesson to be learned from SAF is:
1) SAF is an all-time great manager
2) Employing an all-time great manager = success.

If there's no all-time great manager to be had then you should swap and change and hire the best you can as and when the results call for it. Even most top coaches can only deliver results in short term bursts. It's the nature of the game. SAF was a total anomaly.
 
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For what? I've seen a game that was relatively open with chances for us and for Everton. Fred had a rather good game (especially compared to his midfield partner). His movement and his quick passing made the game that open. Pogba brought absolutely nothing - Everton went deep because of Ronaldo I guess, so what was the plan behind Pogba sub? Play long balls? To whom? Mostly into the CBs of Everton.

I know a lot of people only see Fred's weaknesses but he brings something to the team. With him and Cavani on the pitch we looked quite lively today. Putting Pogba and Ronaldo on did nothing than to push Everton back a bit (which they thankfully accepted) and it led to us only playing hoofball.
 
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For what? I've seen a game that was relatively open with chances for us and for Everton. Fred had a rather good game (especially compared to his midfield partner). His movement and his quick passing made the game that open. Pogba brought absolutely nothing - Everton went deep because of Ronaldo I guess, so what was the plan behind Pogba sub? Play long balls? To whom? Mostly into the CBs of Everton.

I know a lot of people only see Fred's weaknesses but he brings something to the team. With him and Cavani on the pitch we looked quite lively today. Putting Pogba and Ronaldo on did nothing than to push Everton back a bit (which they thankfully accepted) a it led to us only playing hoofball.
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Fred and Cavani were poor, Cavani particularly. Everton changed formation after the equaliser regardless and Fred would not be a better option than Pogba who played very well
 
When an Elite club employ a manager who has only managed at Cardiff and Molde, and failed miserably at one of those, this is as good as it gets tbh.

Surely this is completely obvious though?
 
I am convinced everyone in the stadium and at home including the board knows deep down (or not so deep) that Ole and his coaches are not good enough.

Many don't admit it for different reasons. Some fans think sticking with him is the "United way" but the board doesn't care as long as Top 4 is secured.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
When an Elite club employ a manager who has only managed at Cardiff and Molde, and failed miserably at one of those, this is as good as it gets tbh.

Surely this is completely obvious though?
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Not necessarily. Pep hadn't managed anything but Barca B team when he was promoted to senior team but he was able to succeed.

Ole has been our manager for years now. We should judge him by his record with us, whatever was before doesn't matter as much, in my opinion. Facts of the matter are that he is unable to take us to winning anything. That is the problem
 
Jeppers7 said:
Fred and Cavani were poor, Cavani particularly. Everton changed formation after the equaliser regardless and Fred would not be a better option than Pogba who played very well
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Agree to disagree I guess. Everton surely didn't change formation because of the equaliser, why would they? The match plan was working, why would you think they change it? They went deeper when Ronaldo entered the field, and then they brought Davies just after Pogba came on. From that point on, we only went for long balls because the center of the pitch was theirs.
 
NewGlory said:
Not necessarily. Pep hadn't managed anything but Barca B team when he was promoted to senior team but he was able to succeed.

Ole has been our manager for years now. We should judge him by his record with us, whatever was before doesn't matter as much, in my opinion. Facts of the matter are that he is unable to take us to winning anything. That is the problem
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At least Barca knew what they were doing when they hired Pep. They knew his philosophy from Barca B team and knew which style he would implement and if it will suit their players. They didn't expect such huge success but Pep was hired based on scientific basis.

We hired Ole based on honeymoon period and completely emotional basis. The plan from the start was Ole as caretaker and new manager in summer, but then the club witnessed the honeymoon period and threw all plans out of window. The reality is I don't see the basis United hired Ole as permanent manager on except hoping the honeymoon period will extend forever.

If we had waited till the end of the season and witnessed they way we finished such season with 2 wins out of our last 10 games, there's no way in hell Ole would have been hired permanently.

That's the problem in it.
 
el3mel said:
At least Barca knew what they were doing when they hired Pep. They knew his philosophy from Barca B team and knew which style he would implement and if it will suit their players. They didn't expect such huge success but Pep was hired based on scientific basis.

We hired Ole based on honeymoon period and completely emotional basis. The plan from the start was Ole as caretaker and new manager in summer, but then the club witnessed the honeymoon period and threw all plans out of window. The reality is I don't see the basis United hired Ole as permanent manager on except hoping the honeymoon period will extend forever.

If we had waited till the end of the season and witnessed they way we finished such season with 2 wins out of our last 10 games, there's no way in hell Ole would have been hired permanently.

That's the problem in it.
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The board has really messed up on multiple occasions with Ole, just not take the time to let things pan out and rushed to give him a contract twice.
 
NewGlory said:
Not necessarily. Pep hadn't managed anything but Barca B team when he was promoted to senior team but he was able to succeed.

Ole has been our manager for years now. We should judge him by his record with us, whatever was before doesn't matter as much, in my opinion. Facts of the matter are that he is unable to take us to winning anything. That is the problem
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No idea why people quote the Guardiola comparison when it’s a complete and wild outlier.

It’s like suggesting you should spend your money on lottery tickets because someone else, in another country, once won the lottery…

The simple, glaringly obvious, common sense logic that a global juggernaut like Utd employing the manager of fecking Molde, who got Cardiff relegated, would end in failure is so blatant it’s almost surreal.

As I said, he’s actually done surprisingly well considering his level as a coach!
 
Rhyme Animal said:
The simple, glaringly obvious, common sense logic that a global juggernaut like Utd employing the manager of fecking Molde, who got Cardiff relegated, would end in failure is so blatant it’s almost surreal.
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The thing is, you can look deeper at manager’s record even if they’ve been in crap leagues or with crap teams.
It was obvious Brenten could coach a team to play good progressive football, just as it seems obvious Potter can also.
I don’t think Ole showed in any previous job that he had those capabilities.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
The thing is, you can look deeper at manager’s record even if they’ve been in crap leagues or with crap teams.
It was obvious Brenten could coach a team to play good progressive football, just as it seems obvious Potter can also.
I don’t think Ole showed in any previous job that he had those capabilities.
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Quite right - except to prove my point Potter hasn’t, and won’t relegate Brighton as Ole did with Cardiff.
 
He just relied on the individual brilliance of Bruno for so long. It's astonishing that after such a long time, we still don't have a style of play and still rely on players creating individual moments.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
The thing is, you can look deeper at manager’s record even if they’ve been in crap leagues or with crap teams.
It was obvious Brenten could coach a team to play good progressive football, just as it seems obvious Potter can also.
I don’t think Ole showed in any previous job that he had those capabilities.
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How did Molde play under him when they won things?
 
Our last 6 games:

- YB - lost
- West Ham - saved by DDG
- West Ham - lost
- Villa - lost
- Villareal - saved by DDG and Ronaldo
- Everton - draw (should’ve lost)

This is relegation form
 
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