The 3rd season just started.
In some ways you are right. I think Ole would have been an ideal number two for a manager with more vision.
??? They only played 12 mins with 10, and they played a 4th place team compared to a team of nobodies.
He's chatting out of his arse. I saw the match, Brugges were the better side for the majority of the match and actually had more shots (15-6) at around the the 60th minute and had the better chances to win it.
Nice story except it doesn't tally with reality.
He took over a squad that had finished second the year before. So either Jose truly was putting in one of his greatest managerial performances, or else the squad was actually pretty good. In any event, I'm not sure how Ole has raised our expectations since then, given that we haven't finished higher than second nor have we won any silverware (unlike under LVG and Jose.) I'd say a team featuring De Gea, Shaw (granted not the version we have now, but still pretty solid), Pogba, Herrera, Rashford, Martial, and Lukaku, bolstered by the addition of Maguire and AWB in Ole's first full season (minus Lukaku by that point, but that didn't seem to unduly bother Ole) was actually pretty solid, and not some mid-table standard, such as what we see with Arsenal now.
You'd sell our soul down the river for a piece of shiny stuff. I wanna stick to the dream
100%
It is crazy, the reality that Ole inners live in. They move the goal post so much that you think we are playing tetris. Ole, can not even be held in the same sentence of managers like pep, klopp, tuchel, Pochettino, Zidane, and other top manager as he hasn't won anything yet or even made significant accomplishments despite having one of it not the highest net spend and transfer budget in all of Europe. Heck even if he wins a major trophy, you have to look at the money spent and question whether it is his coaching ability that won that trophy or the influx of funds at his disposal.
Not sure why people keep bring on Pochettino. Pochettino went to a champion league final and got consecutive top four finish with a team like spurs. Even with a team like Manchester United, Ole is struggling to accomplish the former and has lower the standards so much so that top four finish at United is considered a job saving objective. At psg, he has won the double and if it wasn't for tuchel bad start to the season, would have won the triple. He also knocked out some of the best teams out of Europe last season. Most manager would sell their souls to have such a career so far. I guess that is why he is managing one of the top club right now and is a hot prospect amongst other top club
Are you really serious?
It's quite the spectacle.
The difference is Pep wins trophies. If Ole had a trophy or two it wouldn't be such a big deal having a mare.
What dreams that? Winning feck all every season? Keep Ole on because he played for us and that's the Utd way? Fergie and Busby never played for Utd and had no connection prior and those were our best managers. Doc, Atkinson, VG and Mourinho won the littler trophies and guess what, they also had no connection.
He said as much didn't he?
So if De Gea would have saved a penalty in May, we wouldn't be having these threads you reckon?
Defending Ole about what? We're all being realistic here. The only ones living in Disney world are Ole inners. Would any of you be willing to ask yourself which big club would take Ole if he is out of the United job? I think we all know the answer to that. Now ask yourself the same thing about Pep. We also know the answer to that. The debate should be pretty much over with that question.
If we want to compare Ole and Pochs performance last year, what metrics could we use? I think, the obvious "the table doesn't lie" thing doesn't really work because both finished on the same position. So lets have a look at the other available things:
| Position in the Table (points) | Number of wins | Number of losses | Goals scored | Goals conceded | xG | xGA | xGD per 90 |
| Lille (83) | PSG (26) | Lille (3) | PSG (86) | Lille (23) | Lyon (84.6) | Lille (26.7) | PSG (1.19) |
| PSG (82) | Lille (24) | Lyon (6) | Lyon (82) | PSG (28) | PSG (82.4) | Monaco (33.1) | Lyon (1.09) |
| Monaco (78) | Monaco (24) | PSG (8) | Monaco (76) | Rennes (40) | Monaco (66.9) | PSG (37.3) | Monaco (0.89) |
| Lyon (76) | Lyon (22) | Monaco (8) | Lille (64) | Monaco (42) | Lens (56) | Rennes (40) | Lille (0.61) |
| Marseille (60) | Marseille (16) | Marseille (10) | Montpellier (60) | Lyon (43) | Strasbourg (52.6) | Lyon (43.2) | Rennes (0.26) |
| Position in the Table (points) | Number of wins | Number of losses | Goals scored | Goals conceded | xG | xGA | xGD per 90 |
| City (86) | City (27) | United (6) | City (83) | City (32) | City (73.3) | City (31.4) | City (1.1) |
| United (74) | United (21) | City (6) | United (73) | Chelsea (36) | Pool (72.6) | Chelsea (32.8) | Chelsea (0.82) |
| Pool (69) | Liverpool (20) | Chelsea (9) | Pool (68) | Arsenal (39) | Chelsea (64) | Brighton (37.7) | Pool (0.72) |
| Chelsea (67) | Leicester (20) | Pool (9) | Tottenham (68) | Liverpool (42) | United (60) | United (42.2) | United (0.47) |
| Leicester (66) | Chelsea (20) | Westham (11) | Leicester (68) | United (44) | Leeds (57.5) | Arsenal (44.3) | Brighton (0.37) |
| PSG (3x 1. , 3x 2. , 2x 3.) | City (8x 1. (1x joint 1.) |
| Lille (4x 1. , 1x 2. , 0x 3. , 2x 4., 1x none) | United (1x 1. (joint), 3x 2., 0x 3. , 3x 4. , 1x 5.) |
| Chelsea (0x 1. , 3x 2. , 2x 3. , 1x 4. , 1x 5.) | |
| Pool (0x 1. , 1x 2. , 4x 3., 2x 4. , 0x 5.) |
| Position in the Table (points) | Number of wins | Number of losses | Goals scored | Goals conceded | xG | xGA | xGD per 90 |
| PSG (82) | PSG (26) | United (6) | PSG (86) | PSG (28) | PSG (82.4) | PSG (37.3) | PSG (1.19) |
| United (74) | United (21) | PSG (8) | United (73) | United (44) | United (60) | United (42.2) | United (0.47) |
I think we would because the performances are what is criticised the most. And going to penalties after 120 minutes against Villareal would obviously count as "upgradable" I am sure you would agree. But a trophy would give him his supporters an easier route to defend him. The biggest critics will only stop once he wins the CL or the League - maybe not even then. The biggest supporters on the other hand seem to be ready to support him for the next 4 years. What I am talking about are the majority of posters here, the more moderate critics and supporters. And I think, a trophy would calm them down quite a bit.
I’ve written much about this topic before. It’s a myth and typical nonsense which is easy to believe in, especially if they haven’t played on the highest level.
Well he certainly wouldn't have the words won feck all after his name but seriously you can't compare a serial winner to a novice who's not improving enough.
It's a difference of opinions really.
Of course some tribalism is involved, this is football.
The dream that we're not a chop and change modern club.
I don't care what you have written before. I like a manager who is involved in the match.I’ve written much about this topic before. It’s a myth and typical nonsense which is easy to believe in, especially if they haven’t played on the highest level.
But probably more fun with a crazy manager on the sideline
While understanding that sentiment, I think it is to one-sided. I mean, apart from Fergie, how often does it happen, that somebody is going to stay for so long having so much success? Wenger won his first titles in his 2nd year at the Gunners. So all in all, I know, the Fergie story is one of the greatest in sports but how realistic is it to expect that the same thing happens again? And that the only deciding factor was in fact the time?
Let's hope your right then and it is only hope. Fergie won the FA cup in his third full season. Let's hope Ole can at least win something.
