Huh? If you want to win you'd pick the best. Nobody is saying play Martial over Ronaldo because Martial can improve and Ronaldo is already the finished article.
We are an awfully coached team
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A rather strange comparison, there is far more of a difference in level between Martial and Ronaldo than there is between AWB and Trippier, as I'm sure you know.
Feels like you didn't really read much around here because there isn't much debate about that at all. Weird sentence to start because it takes away a bit from your post starting with such a statement.
What? You are looking for Ronaldo to have some influence on the coaching team?
About the bolded part, seems like you do not read the posts properly. It isn't a debatable fact that we started from a bad position and have made quite some progress to get where we are. But how would that be a factor when talking about the coaching/tactical side of things? Or the current performances?
And Cresswell had 8. Should he have been in team over Shaw?
Trippier aren't twice better than AWB. Seriously, is he better because he is picked by Southgate?
Like I said, both assisted the same amount last season, how is better???
How are you going to cling to a stat to pretend Trippier is no better than AWB going forward? Trippier suits a top side so much better than AWB as we should have a majority of possession and need good delivery from wide positions, especially with Ronaldo or Cavani in the middle.Trippier aren't twice better than AWB. Seriously, is he better because he is picked by Southgate?
Like I said, both assisted the same amount last season, how is better???
I did say players improved, the way we play tend to be overreaction when we lost or draw.
When we won, Ole barely gets any credits either, it's all player's brilliance. What nonsense is that?
Ah, like I said. Both have pros and cons. Southgate brought 2 attacking RB to Euros. Why is that? Does that make AWB a shit player?
He prefers Kyle Walker at RCB, I'm confident other managers would bring AWB to be a defensive backup when we're closing up games or facing teams with rapid wingers.
He even used Trippier at LB, why bring Reece James then?
AWB is specialist for defending and occasionally can contribute to the attack. He has shown to be improving offensively since he first came here, why stop there? He suddenly can't improve anymore?
I can see where you are coming from with this. I agree, after a bad performance, lots of people instantly go for the manager. Which I don't think is correct at all. It all depends. Are they criticizing the a bad result or a bad performance? Have we been good but lost (or won) due to an individual masterpiece (or "masterpiece")?
Maybe this is what creates this impression for you. I would consider myself to be fair, when Ole makes a mistake, I criticize him. If he does not do anything and we win, I give him credit but there isn't much to write about. If he does nothing and we lose then I guess I criticize him because maybe he should have done something about it.
I know that sounds unfair and to some degree, I guess it is but this is the world of being a manager isn't it? I am the first one to acknowledge when he changes the game somehow or when he subs somebody in or out and we get better by doing so. But that really happens pretty rarely in my eyes.
This is a very optimistic outlook and certainly holds some merits. But still, I feel it wouldn't be fair to depict the situation as if AWB would be slightly below average and Trippier is slightly above. Trippier has been LM before, technically I would think, he is pretty close to Shaw (not the Great Shaw we have seen for most parts of last season) but current Shaw for example. And AWB has been targeted by opposition managers for his weakness of the ball or has been left free because he doesn't create any danger in their eyes.
The player surely can improve and I think, you are right, he made a few baby steps in the second part of last season, but his defensive qualities still don't outweigh his offensive shortcomings. Lets hope he continues his positive trend because we spent a lot of money on him. But I don't see why it would be a problem to potentially spur that development by bringing in another right-back to compete with him. It worked pretty well for Shaw.
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I wish we had Pep who mops the floor with teams like Southhamton, no questions asked.
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HAHA.
City draw against Southampton at home.
11 shots, 1 on target.
BETTER COACHING INDEEDDDDDD.
City draw against Southampton at home.
11 shots, 1 on target.
BETTER COACHING INDEEDDDDDD.
This thread was buzzing when we drew away at Southampton. I suppose City are awfull coached too.
But what about all those beautiful patterns of play?
But what about all those beautiful patterns of play?
Can win any game of football, apparently.
Oh don't forget those over the top coaching hand sign segments from Pep to his players.
Well they tend to win trophies over the course of a season. We don’t. So at present you can’t really draw equivalents. Hopefully this changes very soon…
1 shot on target for the entire game. What a well coached team with consistent patterns of play! They should have won that game 9-0, with the number of triangles they created in midfield. Please call the professional judges to score that game properly.
With established squad and spine. Of course they would. Pellegrini won PL with City.
Football is not just about coaching and tactics, you know.
But what about all those beautiful patterns of play?
Isn't that kneejerk as well?
I mean we often remind ourselves not to overemphasize on individual results, aren't we?
It's almost like all the people making those claims were talking directly out of the arses.
Too many sensible posts from you...give it up nowWith established squad and spine. Of course they would. Pellegrini won PL with City.
Football is not just about coaching and tactics, you know.
Are you starting to realise how ridiculous it was for any sensible poster on here? We know Pep is a fantastic manager, what this game illustrates is that any team can lose on any given day.Isn't that kneejerk as well?
I mean we often remind ourselves not to overemphasize on individual results, aren't we?
Isn't that kneejerk as well?
I mean we often remind ourselves not to overemphasize on individual results, aren't we?
No, this is a proof that coaching bullshit doesn't mean shit.
Anything can happen in football. That's what it is.
Isn't that kneejerk as well?
I mean we often remind ourselves not to overemphasize on individual results, aren't we?
Nope. Its not knee jerk. No one is saying Pep isn't brilliant and City aren't a great team which has won lots of titles, and are well coached.
We are only mocking a statement which is made as a truism by some fans on this forum. For e.g. we are awfully coached because we managed only a draw against Southampton, and didn't manage to create enough clear cut chances.
Even the so called best coached team can struggle to create against a low block, which has exceptional organization.
It isn't about assists though. It's their ability on the ball. Our entire right side is handicapped with AWB .
But, did you guys look at the midfield control they have?
Agree to disagree my friend. Now we're enjoying the fact that City dropped points. Let's continue that conversation.
No, we're poorly coached because we struggle to break teams down in most games and rely on individual brilliance to score most of our goals.
It's why we always look like shit when Pogba/Bruno isn't scoring or assisting and the whole midfield looks clueless on what they're supposed to do beyond passing it to them.
Southampton also showed that sometimes when we want to implement defensive strategies, they can. When it works, it's brilliant.
Mate, they relying on De Bruyne to deliver magical final pass every game. InshaAllah De Bruyne.
Which is fair and I respect that. I also think, a competent right back will transform our right side attack completely. AWB just isn't a right fit when we dominate the ball.
Wouldn't disagree, but the idea of signing Trippier is to chase games when we fail to score, to have 2 different specialist in RB.
Dalot in the moment doesn't offer that, so Trippier make sense.
AWB and Trippier would compete with each other, neither are undisputed starter, if he joined.
You mean like last year where he missed 13 games in the league and they still won the league easily?
Too many sensible posts from you...give it up now
I just want everyone to get behind the team this season, and relax a bit when we lose or draw.
And then they turned into Gundogan's brilliance!
Why even put KDB on when you can just coach patterns of play and not rely on individual brilliance.
Okay. I don't really understand this 'reliance on individual brilliance stuff'. Yes we do. And we are coached to create situations for our players to show their individual brilliance.
Maybe coaching can be better, maybe not. But our results for the last 2 seasons clearly show that we over performed compared to the relative quality of our squad (when looked at man to man against Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Spurs and even Leicester at one point).
Its not a crime in football for good players to show individual brilliance. Also, it's not like Jose's teams where the whole team defends and then relies on 2-3 moments to show brilliance.
We are very direct and our forwards are encouraged to try the exceptional passes or shots when they can. Thats also a part of coaching.
Where were all these 'moments of individual brilliance' under our previous managers. You think Ole has nothing to do with it?
And, btw don't say he has a better squad because literally that can be said only for 4 games, and no one wins a trophy in the first 4 games of a season.
You aren't going to get that here. Too many entitled fans
City played mid week and rested some of their top players in De Bryune, Mahrez, and foden. They still played much better football then what we produced when we played Southampton. You can also make an argument that city was hurt by not playing without a striker this game, but then I know some United fan will counter argue that we have been playing without a midfield even though Fred and mctominay are natural midfielder. So, I guess what city weakness is without an striker is similiar to our weakness in in holding mid role. Regardless, this argument isn’t about result, but moreso about performance and it is easy to see which team performed better against Southampton,
What about your boy's heroic draw with Club Brugges though?
Did you actually watch the game today? City was exposed to so many counters. They would have lost today if Southampton showed some quality in those moments. Yes, they had positional advantage on the pitch but that was about it. They definitely didn't perform better!
Excuses is fine here, but no excuse for Ole.
So what? They dominating possession for feck all. 1 shot on target showed that even teams with style of play can produce shocking performances. That's what we're trying to argue here.
The agenda against Ole is that, when we failed to win, it's all down to coaching and no style of play. Which is fecking stupid, time and time again.