WC Snooker 2013

I don't get the hate for Murphy, he seems a decent bloke and a hell of a player. Final frame shootout here. 12-12. Trump is the one who is very arrogant, especially considering he has never won the World title.
 
Usual petulance from Trump, smashing the balls around and hoping to get lucky.
 
Hate both these twats.

Murphy is up his own arse and in the god squad, pretends he's a nice guy. Is a cnut, cheated on his missus iirc.

Trump is just a wanker, seriously overrated, he hasn't got a brain half the time, just a good potter on his day. He also thought he glammed snooker up with his shit haircut?

I hope it goes down to a respotted black and then it explodes killing them both.
 
Classic final frame so far, you'd have to say. Balls placed for lots of twists.
 
fecksake Trump does my head in, every time he fecks up he gets away with it, it's quite unbelievable. Murphy has potted some amazing reds here, but has had no luck with positioning.
 
Sixpence said:
fecksake Trump does my head in, every time he fecks up he gets away with it, it's quite unbelievable. Murphy has potted some amazing reds here, but has had no luck with positioning.
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Same old story with Trump, happens in most matches, don't think I've ever seen a player as lucky as he's been over time.

Still have to hear from Virgo how he's possibly the greatest potter ever or some shit though :lol:
 
Murphy was the only player left in the tournament who could give O'Sullivan a problem. He'll surely eat Trump alive.

I've been impressed with Hawkins so far though.
 
JP77 said:
Same old story with Trump, happens in most matches, don't think I've ever seen a player as lucky as he's been over time.

Still have to hear from Virgo how he's possibly the greatest potter ever or some shit though :lol:
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That really was laughable :lol:

Trump's decent, but O'Sullivan on his day would destroy him. Annoyingly he has a pretty poor record against Trump, hopefully he turns it around.
 
I hope Ronnie brings this same game to the table tomorrow that he has been all tournament. Trump won't be able to live with him, might not even reach double figures. Winner is world champion too; it's a de facto final.
 
Haha sod all you Trump haters! He bagged me a much needed £90!
 
Liam147 said:
The reason I'd have Hendry above him is his application of talent, which is what it boils down to essentially. O'Sullivan can be a 10, 10, 4. Hendry would be 9, 9, 7. He couldn't reach Ronnie's highs, no one can, even Ronnie a lot of the time, which is my point. In terms of talent, it's Ronnie, in terms of applying that talent when it matters to get results i.e. UKs, Worlds etc. it's Hendry.

Still, I'm banking on Ronnie to make it five this year.
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I don't really get the whole O'Sullivan is more naturally talented thing. He dry didn't play snooker until he was 11 and was a professional by 16. O'Sullivan was playing from no age. Hendry revolutionised the way the game was played and led he way for the players of today. The World Championship isn't the same without his presence.
 
RedMist99 said:
I hope Ronnie fecking destroys Trump. Great potter, shit haircut, flukey cnut.

Naughty snooker? feck off
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I really have no problem with him.

He does try to entertain. He's attacking, he plays some risky shots, he plays some shots which you could consider show boating with regards to the excessive backspin he can apply and the effect it has on the cueball. I find him entertaining to watch. Much more so than 90% of the rest of the field. I also enjoy the low percentage shots he takes on when a frame is won. Long fine cuts, doubles ect. Better than seeing the likes of Bingham or White using it as time to get much needed break building practice.

Aside from him I only really "enjoy" watching Ronnie, Robertson, Higgins and Selby these days.
 
acnumber9 said:
I don't really get the whole O'Sullivan is more naturally talented thing. He dry didn't play snooker until he was 11 and was a professional by 16. O'Sullivan was playing from no age. Hendry revolutionised the way the game was played and led he way for the players of today. The World Championship isn't the same without his presence.
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Well it's mainly because most of his playing is utterly effortless. He's naturally gifted because he made a maximum in 5:20. Have you seen it? If not, watch it. He barely needs to even think about his shots, he just does them. He's naturally talented because he's not played for a year, and barring an act of God, he'll defend his title and become the oldest world champion at the crucible.

Sure Hendry's naturally talented, but I believe he manufactured his talent in a shorter spell than Ronnie, which is why he turned pro five years after picking a cue up.
 
Sixpence said:
I don't get the hate for Murphy, he seems a decent bloke and a hell of a player. Final frame shootout here. 12-12. Trump is the one who is very arrogant, especially considering he has never won the World title.
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He was bullied at school so much he had home tuition and plays on it yet always speaks out against others. He was fuming when Ronnie pulled out of press interviews even though its widely know he suffers with mental health and had doctors advice. He's a cun* You'd think he'd know better but his attitude was, "I have to do interviews, why doesn't Ronnie".

Gio said:
I don't buy the boring tag - that was purely because he won everything going (6 World titles by his mid-20s) and denied Jimmy White the title time after time. Boring character yes, but he was an attack-minded player whose aggressive style hastened his decline during his 30s.

Don't necessarily agree the difference is purely mental and that Hendry is inferior as a player. Ronnie didn't get the better of Hendry at a Worlds until he was 30 when Hendry had his cue broken and was years past his best. There's no doubt O'Sullivan's top tournament level is as good as anything we've seen, but it's hard to make an argument that it is distinctly better than what Hendry produced during his 20s.
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Ronnie is the best player to ever pick up a cue, Hendry, Taylor, Virgo, White, they all say it. Look at what Ronnie has achieved with his depression and all the demons and that tells you how good he is. Whatever you say, he is the most exciting player to ever grace the table so far.

4 world titles, the maxium in 5min 20, the other maxium after asking the ref what the high break prize was after potting the first red only. He owns them all. Hendry was a bore compared to him, attacking in his day compared to his rivals or not. That's just the way it is mate and the players Ronnie has too battle, no just the quality but the number of them, is a far higher standard IMO. Especially with the China players I don't think that can be argued.
 
Ronnie's a dick about this constant will he won't he shit. Just play and stop fecking whinging.

Also, I don't get the Trump hate either. He's one of the few players in the game now that's actually watchable.
 
acnumber9 said:
I don't really get the whole O'Sullivan is more naturally talented thing. He dry didn't play snooker until he was 11 and was a professional by 16. O'Sullivan was playing from no age. Hendry revolutionised the way the game was played and led he way for the players of today. The World Championship isn't the same without his presence.
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Really? His shot time is far less than anyone else and always has been, he just works things out quicker than anyone and his execution is better than anyone too. He is right handed and was playing some frames in the WC left handed when he was 21. If there's anyone the WC won't be the same without, it's O'Sullivan. The viewing figures and general interest will be well down next year if he calls it a day.
 
Ronnie O'Sullivan said:
Ok ok stop bashing me! Playing Trump in 2 hours. Predictions?
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I think Trump very much relies on being the "exciting" player and the "star" for his confidence which brings out the best in him.

It'll be almost impossible for him to be that player in the match so I can see him shrinking away a bit. I think he'll want to really take the game to Ronnie though, it could be a cracker.
 
What would constitute the ultimate snooker player?

One attribute per player.

Break Building: Ronnie O'Sullivan
Long Potting: Mark Williams
Consistency: Mark Selby
Flair: Judd Trump
Temperament: Marco Fu
Rest Shots: Shaun Murphy
Resilience:Graeme Dott
Safety: John Higgins

Anything I've missed out? Do you agree?
 
Claymore said:
4 world titles, the maxium in 5min 20, the other maxium after asking the ref what the high break prize was after potting the first red only. He owns them all. Hendry was a bore compared to him, attacking in his day compared to his rivals or not. That's just the way it is mate and the players Ronnie has too battle, no just the quality but the number of them, is a far higher standard IMO. Especially with the China players I don't think that can be argued.
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I'm not sure about this quick maximum argument. Yes a fantastic 5 minutes to watch, but speed of play isn't relevant otherwise Tony Drago would be cropping up in this discussion. They've both got 11 maximums, indicative of their status as the two best of all time. But it's not really a binding argument, Ding already has 5 and may well go on to better both Hendry and O'Sullivan's totals. But again is he likely to feature in this debate?

The standard has improved considerably since Steve Davis's day and much of that can be attributed to Hendry modernising the game. Then again a lot of the more recent spiel about rising standards is Hearn-driven hype and, after all, only two players who turned pro after 1994 have ever won the World title. I think depth has improved, but top levels haven't to anywhere near the same extent. Hence why whenever O'Sullivan or Higgins - despite being in their late 30s - hit a decent patch of form, they cruise to the title (as they have done in 5 of the last 6 years).
 
RedMist99 said:
What would constitute the ultimate snooker player?

One attribute per player.

Break Building: Ronnie O'Sullivan
Long Potting: Mark Williams
Consistency: Mark Selby
Flair: Judd Trump
Temperament: Marco Fu
Rest Shots: Shaun Murphy
Resilience:Graeme Dott
Safety: John Higgins

Anything I've missed out? Do you agree?
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China Sponsorship money $$ : Ding Junhui
 
Davis, Hendry, O'Sullivan all moved the game forward from their predacessor.

Ronnie gets called the most naturally gifted and possibly greatest of all time by his peers, let alone pundits and fans. Good enough for me.
 
I had a bet on O'Sullivan to take the first mini session. Seemed logical after how things went in the previous rounds. Now expecting these next four frames to go 2-2.
 
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