WC Snooker 2013

Pexbo said:
Such a piggy arrogant twat isn't he.

I just shoved £20 on Trump at 11/8.
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Remember a few years where he called the first frame because whoever he was playing had to run to the loo before the game started so was a few seconds late. He was perfectly entitled to do so, but no-one else has done before or since and it made him look a complete dick.
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
Michael White struggling big time, 4-0 down.
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Good. Knocked Poomjaeng out.
Irwinwastheking said:
Remember a few years where he called the first frame because whoever he was playing had to run to the loo before the game started so was a few seconds late. He was perfectly entitled to do so, but no-one else has done before or since and it made him look a complete dick.
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It was Maguire. I don't know if their row started before that, but they openly dislike each other. If it was before that, I could understand it. I still hope he beats Trump. Not a fan.

Ronnie on the other hand... I think this sums him up better than words can: :eek:
 
Okay, nobody is going to stop the Rocket here without finding a way to give him an existential crisis or nervous breakdown. Not far off perfection.

Mind you, he's not the only one thrashing an opponent in this round...
 
Ok, his opponents have not been great here this year but he is absolutely untouchable when he is like this and should cruise to another title, and his first defence of it ever.

This would be 5 world titles, and Hendry is the leader on 7. If Ronnie keeps his desire he could overtake that in the next few years and become the undisputed GOAT. To be honest I already think he's the greatest player ever to hold a cue anyway.
 
Easily the best player ever.

Maybe the long break from the game is more of an advantage than we thought. All the others are complaining of being worn out with the new Hearn schedule.
 
Used to play in his snooker halls near where I live many times. He was always hanging around there and is a top bloke.
 
RedMist99 said:
I don't think anyone in the game has a better cue action than Shaun Murphy. Straight like an arrow and so powerful
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It's Ronnie for me. It's liquid.

Murphy's Action = Germany 1974 Team.

O'Sullivan's Action = Brazil 1970 :drool:
 
RedMist99 said:
I don't think anyone in the game has a better cue action than Shaun Murphy. Straight like an arrow and so powerful
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Murphy's technique is certainly the most graceful. Ronnie's is pretty much perfection, even left handed.
 
Sixpence said:
Ok, his opponents have not been great here this year but he is absolutely untouchable when he is like this and should cruise to another title, and his first defence of it ever.

This would be 5 world titles, and Hendry is the leader on 7. If Ronnie keeps his desire he could overtake that in the next few years and become the undisputed GOAT. To be honest I already think he's the greatest player ever to hold a cue anyway.
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He's aged better than Hendry did (who won his 7th title at 30) and he'll need to match the 7 if he's to have a strong case for greatest ever. As it stands I think Hendry's ahead, but I'd love to have seen an early-to-mid-90s Hendry come up against a peak O'Sullivan.
 
Ronnie O'Sullivan said:
Trump level 8-8 after being 6-2 behind
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I put another £12 on him at 7-3 down at 9/4. He's a great underdog to bet on as he showed, in under an hour he can rattle off 4 or 5 frames and he's back in it which is pretty much what he did today.

I'll pocket £47.50 and £39 if he can go on to win it.
 
The reason I'd have Hendry above him is his application of talent, which is what it boils down to essentially. O'Sullivan can be a 10, 10, 4. Hendry would be 9, 9, 7. He couldn't reach Ronnie's highs, no one can, even Ronnie a lot of the time, which is my point. In terms of talent, it's Ronnie, in terms of applying that talent when it matters to get results i.e. UKs, Worlds etc. it's Hendry.

Still, I'm banking on Ronnie to make it five this year.
 
Liam147 said:
The reason I'd have Hendry above him is his application of talent, which is what it boils down to essentially. O'Sullivan can be a 10, 10, 4. Hendry would be 9, 9, 7. He couldn't reach Ronnie's highs, no one can, even Ronnie a lot of the time, which is my point. In terms of talent, it's Ronnie, in terms of applying that talent when it matters to get results i.e. UKs, Worlds etc. it's Hendry.

Still, I'm banking on Ronnie to make it five this year.
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I fully agree with you.

I think people forget a few important attributes when comparing them. You can compare the break building, the styles, the speed, the trophies and so on but what set Hendry apart as a champion was his strength of mind, his determination to win and his persistence and his sheer consistency in all of those things. Ronnie is a poet to watch but you can't argue that he has Hendry's stability. His genius is both his doing and his undoing.
 
Gio said:
He's aged better than Hendry did (who won his 7th title at 30) and he'll need to match the 7 if he's to have a strong case for greatest ever. As it stands I think Hendry's ahead, but I'd love to have seen an early-to-mid-90s Hendry come up against a peak O'Sullivan.
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Don't think he needs to match the 7 at all to be honest, even staying at 4 many regard him as the best ever, me included. Hell they did at 3 world titles! He's just that good and he has the best every 147's as well to go with it. Hendry doesn't come close as a player, he just is mentally stronger and didn't have the issues, that's it. Hendry even in his prime was boring compared to Ronnie. Still a great player though.
 
Ronnie only matched Hendry's 147s, he doesn't have more. And the mental side is crucial to snooker. It's naive to suggest it's all about potting balls. I know I'd be a much better player if my head was right, but like Ronnie I have a habit of getting down over silly things. As a result I don't play as well.

Yes, IF Ronnie's head had been right for the last 20 years, he'd have certainly beaten Hendry, but it wasn't; it's no good making excuses for him, the mental side of his game has been shocking.
 
Ding dong ding has gone. Well done Barry Hawkins but neither really looked great out there.

O'sullivan destroying Bingham, ridiculously high standard.
 
Claymore said:
Don't think he needs to match the 7 at all to be honest, even staying at 4 many regard him as the best ever, me included. Hell they did at 3 world titles! He's just that good and he has the best every 147's as well to go with it. Hendry doesn't come close as a player, he just is mentally stronger and didn't have the issues, that's it. Hendry even in his prime was boring compared to Ronnie. Still a great player though.
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I don't buy the boring tag - that was purely because he won everything going (6 World titles by his mid-20s) and denied Jimmy White the title time after time. Boring character yes, but he was an attack-minded player whose aggressive style hastened his decline during his 30s.

Don't necessarily agree the difference is purely mental and that Hendry is inferior as a player. Ronnie didn't get the better of Hendry at a Worlds until he was 30 when Hendry had his cue broken and was years past his best. There's no doubt O'Sullivan's top tournament level is as good as anything we've seen, but it's hard to make an argument that it is distinctly better than what Hendry produced during his 20s.
 
Gio said:
I don't buy the boring tag - that was purely because he won everything going (6 World titles by his mid-20s) and denied Jimmy White the title time after time. Boring character yes, but he was an attack-minded player whose aggressive style hastened his decline during his 30s.

Don't necessarily agree the difference is purely mental and that Hendry is inferior as a player. Ronnie didn't get the better of Hendry at a Worlds until he was 30 when Hendry had his cue broken and was years past his best. There's no doubt O'Sullivan's top tournament level is as good as anything we've seen, but it's hard to make an argument that it is distinctly better than what Hendry produced during his 20s.
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Honestly, Ronnie's top level is the highest standard there has ever been in snooker. A 5 minute maximum when he was 22? Utterly ridiculous standard. I actually think the best he's ever played was either in 2004 or 2008, in the world's those years he was streets ahead and there were a lot of very good players back then.
 
Sixpence said:
Honestly, Ronnie's top level is the highest standard there has ever been in snooker. A 5 minute maximum when he was 22? Utterly ridiculous standard. I actually think the best he's ever played was either in 2004 or 2008, in the world's those years he was streets ahead and there were a lot of very good players back then.
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Which begs the question:

Is top level the measurement of a player or consistency at their top level?
 
Next frame will be huge for confidence.
 
I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really fecking hate Murphy. Listen to the arrogant feck.
 
Pexbo said:
Which begs the question:

Is top level the measurement of a player or consistency at their top level?
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A bit of both and every person will have different rationale. I was taking into account top level ability mixed with the consistency involved in multiple title wins. Ronnie is behind in titles to Hendry's 7 and has to date never successfully defended it, but his top level is higher than Hendry's was.
 
Sixpence said:
A bit of both and every person will have different rationale. I was taking into account top level ability mixed with the consistency involved in multiple title wins. Ronnie is behind in titles to Hendry's 7 and has to date never successfully defended it, but his top level is higher than Hendry's was.
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For me, the "Greatest" ever player is Hendry. For what he has won. I think that is the only true measure of greatness as it is what every successful pot and safety is geared towards.

O'Sullivan however is the most naturally gifted player ever. On song, at the top of his game, nobody has ever played the game like him and made it looks so easy.
 
Nothing would please me more than to see Trump out, but if Murphy can't do it here then at least there's a high chance of watching the cnut Trump get smashed by Ronnie.
 
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