VAR should be used for correcting refereeing mistakes, but instead its just being used to close circles around them even further and make them even more unaccountable for their decisions
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What is he on about? Put his body in the way? He shoved him in the back.
Goon dinosaur from the days you could absolutely smash opponents and get away with it.
He was behind the player, didn't win the ball and barged his arm into the guy's head.
"Not a foul. Back in the days we used to tackle like this every game. It's a man's game. It's supposed to be hard and rough."
Re the Konate one. Obvious foul and obvious DOGSO. So surely VAR could have intervened?
If it is getting worse every game what is the point of having it?
That angle is horrendous
Found this on the FA website from some years back:
https://help.thefa.com/support/solu...ge-a-player-for-an-incident-not-seen-by-the-m
For some reason the FA has always been 'protect the refs' rather than 'make the right decision and protect the players'. The pathway VAR would take in England was kind of foreshadowed long ago.
When the feck are these clowns going to be held accountable for their decisions? I’ve seen a better standard of refereeing in a Sunday league.
The thing that got me was that the commentator said that it couldn't be reviewed because it was outside the box but he was last man so surely they could review for a red card?
I wonder if Talksport will dedicate the phone ins to discuss VAR incompetence regarding Fabinho's red card? Because they certainly did that with the Rashford incident, even the tuesday night show with darren bent they were discussing it.
Can the ref himself ask to see something on the screen, without VAR recommending it? Can't remember that happening.
Last man means nothing. It's a clear DOGSO and he should've been off.
I've read we use var differently in this country compared to all others who are consistent with their use
Is that true? Wouldn't surprise me given the arrogance of our refs and those in charge
Is that true? Wouldn't surprise me given the arrogance of our refs and those in charge
Who was the VAR today in the Pool game btw?
Exactly. Giving the refs and VAR room to interpret, is simply giving the officials an easy opportunity to... let's be kind and call it play to the narrative.
But a rule where a forward ball directed towards an offside player becomes valid when the defender gets a toe on it. But a player who is not the target of the pass, goes from onside to offside because the defender got a toe on it, is crazy.
Who is in the VAR room Phil Thompson? Might as well be.
That Fabinho tackles is disgusting and a straight red. We've gone from one extreme of micro managing games to allowing assaults.
That Fabinho tackles is disgusting and a straight red. We've gone from one extreme of micro managing games to allowing assaults.
The refs and VAR tried real hard to help Liverpool. They know they can be biased because their buddies in media will look the other way.
His reaction says it all, yet the refs are like “why’s he doing that stupid face hurr durr”
Even Dale Johnson isn't defending the decisions. Absolutely ludicrous bias towards Liverpool in the Wolves game and today.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/english...a-konate-somehow-escape-red-cards-at-brighton
Football is such a joke these days...
https://www.espn.com/soccer/english...a-konate-somehow-escape-red-cards-at-brighton
Football is such a joke these days...
And apparently it was the Premier League's head of VAR looking at the challenges so what can we really expect from the others if the boss is absolutely clueless and borderline corrupt? The state of the VAR in England is a mystery.
Complete farce. The whole thing.
This quote is interesting.
Note. This exemption didn’t apply when Martinez conceded a penalty for handball in the EL.
I think the time has come for everyone to surely accept that VAR doesn’t serve its primary purpose. Making sure there aren’t obvious injustices every weekend. So remind me. What’s the fecking point of VAR?!?
VAR could have a 4 hour meeting on the shit decisions that were made today in the Brighton game on its own.
Utterly farcical refereeing full stop.
Surely something must be done now that was a complete disgrace
Utterly farcical refereeing full stop.
Surely something must be done now that was a complete disgrace
Still struggling with the idea these things are all just an astonishingly endless sequence of accidental incidents of incompetence, as opposed to by design.
Four inexplicable VAR decisions I've seen in the last 3 weeks that can't be explained away by subjectiveness or an official simply making a mistake....and they've all been in the FA Cup, and they've all been game altering decisions in favour of the exact same team....who are so ahite they've managed to end up going out anyway...and even then the officials did their best to hunt down a non existent reason to rule out the winning goal.
This just wouldn't be getting tolerated in any other sport and probably not in football in any other country either...well except Italy, but even there eventually they get caught out and have to do something about it
Four inexplicable VAR decisions I've seen in the last 3 weeks that can't be explained away by subjectiveness or an official simply making a mistake....and they've all been in the FA Cup, and they've all been game altering decisions in favour of the exact same team....who are so ahite they've managed to end up going out anyway...and even then the officials did their best to hunt down a non existent reason to rule out the winning goal.
This just wouldn't be getting tolerated in any other sport and probably not in football in any other country either...well except Italy, but even there eventually they get caught out and have to do something about it
Howard fecking Webb bring back Mike Riley
It’s not even funny anymore. It’s not with VAR itself, something has happened with the referees and it needs explained. United, as an example, rarely get 50/50s these days but Liverpool constantly gets the 80/20 against in their favour. As a United fan I’m sick of reading why posters can see why it’s close call went against us, it always seems to be against us!
so it’s not big clubs getting favoured, it has to be something else.
I'm looking forward to Ref Watch this week.
They could make it into a full length feature film!
They could make it into a full length feature film!
Really struggling with the thought process around the Konate one. The criteria they should run through should have went like:
- Is it shoulder-to-shoulder? No. He's' just behind McCallister, rather than side-on. It's Konate's hip into McCallister's back and his arm into his shoulder and neck.
- Did he collect the ball in the process of making the challenge? No. McCallister takes the touch with his thigh. Konate needs to be able to reach the ball in making the challenge, but McCallister's touch means he would have to make a new movement in another direction to go back towards the ball.
- Is it a goalscoring opportunity? Yes. McCallister kept it in control and he's 1v1 with the goalkeeper.
Just to bring some diversity in the thread, one positive thing that has come about from VAR is the drastic reduction in blatant dives that were awarded as penalties. Naturally, VAR has created some frustrations of its own but at least players don't get away with clear cheating.
Just get the decision right. The referee missed a red card offence. A really, really obvious one but it shouldn't matter and should be the same if its marginal. Var can fix it, so fix it. Why complicate shit?
The referee's being shit wouldn't matter if their bad decisions were corrected. Its their dumb insistence on being protected from being wrong thats lead to tying Var rules in knots that change every week to protect them.
The talk in recent weeks about disallowing Bruno's derby goal 'to be safe' from former referees enraged me. By the current rules thats a completely clear cut obvious goal and them being too chickenshit to give it because theres scrutiny in our matches is why we need var. Their decisions need to be checked and corrected when necessary, their shouldn't need to be a justification for having a second look at an incident. If a last man, DOGSO, red card offence doesn't meet the criteria for being worth checking then your rules suck and need to be changed.
Only in the box.
Defenders and other players can still flop about under a little pressure with minimal contact and get their freekicks.
Referees need to start letting play go on and booking them for diving too.
My thoughts entirely
Fabinho: PGMOL accepts Liverpool's should have been sent off for Evan Ferguson tackle - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64461183
Lolz
I'm sure Brighton will get a nice little apology, which will be of great comfort to both them and Liverpool's rivals for the Conference League places.
Bollocks decisions like that, cameras not being able to see angles on opposition goals, offside goals like Salah's.
Too many calls going in their favour. It's dodgy as feck.
VAR is fecking shit. Maybe with smarter people using it, it would work but we've got morons using it so it's crap.
You get just as many stupid decisions from the officials but now with the extra failure of no longer being able to celebrate a goal properly for fear they'll find someones toenail was offside in the build up to it.
You get just as many stupid decisions from the officials but now with the extra failure of no longer being able to celebrate a goal properly for fear they'll find someones toenail was offside in the build up to it.
We all understood that in the old days referees would get it wrong from time to time. We're all human, we all make mistakes. But VAR referees get it wrong so often boggles the mind.
The handball by that boro player against us last year...truly epic idiocy by whoever was in the VAR booth that day.
The handball by that boro player against us last year...truly epic idiocy by whoever was in the VAR booth that day.
What still irks me is when we had a goal ruled out against Spurs when the tip of McTominay's finger glanced the side of Son's face in the build up when Son tried to pressure him. Son went down feigning injury like the sack of shit he is. VAR was looking for the slightest of contact to find fault in a goal.